DIS: Proto: Agora Smock Exchange

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
Proto-contract: Agora Smock Exchange [Too busy for me to handle manually. I hereby turn the concept over to BobTHJ and/or ehird for potential implementation and automation.] 1) Administrivia: a) The name of this public contract is the Agora Smock Exchange (ASE). This contract

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:53 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Another point in R2156's favor is R2162: "If an instance of a switch > would otherwise fail to have a possible value, it comes to have its > default value." As soon as R2126 made an instantaneous change of > comex's VP to a v

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:02 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, I'm not aware of any precise precedent when there's a conflict > between a continuous defined state and an instantaneous change. > > R2156 defines voting limit continuously: > The voting limit of an eligible voter

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: If at first you don't succeed...

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: >> 2008/11/17 Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Clinching evidence: >> >> The player did not deregister. The registrar deregistered the player. > > Wasn't this the source of BobT

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008, Ed Murphy wrote: >> 2008/11/17 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >>> Aha. I initiate an inquiry case on the following statement, >>> disqualifying comex: >>> >>> Neither Proposal 5956 nor Proposal 5962 has been adopted. >> >> Arguments: >> >> Strong precedent is that one-of

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: If at first you don't succeed...

2008-11-16 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008, Elliott Hird wrote: > 2008/11/17 Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Clinching evidence: > > The player did not deregister. The registrar deregistered the player. Wasn't this the source of BobTHJs contract-to-deregister scam (e contracted to deregister for a fee, had the Reg

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Because I Hate The Assessor

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> root wrote: >> >>> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Elliott Hird >>> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I agree to the following: { This is a public contract and a pledge. Anyone can join or lea

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Because I Hate The Assessor

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:55 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > root wrote: > >> On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Elliott Hird >> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> I agree to the following: >>> { >>> This is a public contract and a pledge. >>> >>> Anyone can join or leave this contract. >>> >>

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Shoot Them All and Sort it Out Later (AI=2)

2008-11-16 Thread Warrigal
This proposal would destroy much of Agora, including the part I tend to participate in the most, and it would severely disrupt the economy if there were an economy, but I'll vote FOR it anyway. --Warrigal

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Surely these are ineffective because they don't have those notes? >> >> They (in the

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 5:33 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Surely these are ineffective because they don't have those notes? > > They (in theory) gained them at the end of the week (i.e. 00:00) due > to the spam propo

DIS: No one said /I/ couldn't post this

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
For all we know, for reasons known only to you, it didn't work, and you're pretending it did so that the actual working mechanism might be done without us noticing Not saying that that's the case, but still.. Sgeo: stop being paranoid true I was kind of hoping nobody would coe on the se

DIS: Re: BUS: Tubthumping

2008-11-16 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 19:34:20 -0500 Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 16:33:56 -0800 > Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > For each of the 100 partnerships P1 through P100, I intend (with > > Agoran consent) to deregister that partnership per Rule 2144. > > >

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:40 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > CoE: > > This is missing most of the votes that were cast on this proposal. > > I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal case alleging that > the AFO violated Rule 2215 by publishing the below message in an > attem

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:49 PM, Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Rule 2034/4 (Power=3) > Vote Protection and Cutoff for Challenges > > Any proposal that would otherwise change the validity of any > existing vote on any specific unresolved Agoran decision is > wholly withou

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > 2008/11/17 Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Possibly, the declaration of invalidity did not work.. I remember some >> rule against tampering with these things, though that might be from >> Canada.. >> > > There is a rule specifically allowing ballots to be declared invalid. You may as

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Because I Hate The Assessor

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I agree to the following: >> { >> This is a public contract and a pledge. >> >> Anyone can join or leave this contract. >> >> Votes of the form RANDOM(vote), RANDOM(vote,vote), RANDOM(vote,vote,vote) >> and

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/11/17 Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Is this what you were thinking of? > Other rules may place further constraints on the validity of ballots. This rule takes precedence over any rule that would loosen the constraints specified by this rule.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Sun, 16 Nov 2008 20:47:59 -0500 Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Elliott Hird > <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > 2008/11/17 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > >> CoE: > >> > >> This is missing most of the votes that were cast on this proposal. > >> > >> I inte

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/11/17 Sgeo <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Possibly, the declaration of invalidity did not work.. I remember some > rule against tampering with these things, though that might be from > Canada.. > There is a rule specifically allowing ballots to be declared invalid.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread Sgeo
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:44 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/17 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> CoE: >> >> This is missing most of the votes that were cast on this proposal. >> >> I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal case alleging that >> the AFO violated Ru

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections for IADoP, Tailor

2008-11-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 8:30 PM, Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > What, no campaign speeches anymore? Ok: inductive reasoning tells us that Warrigal will almost certainly accidentally deregister within the next 2 weeks, necessitating another election (requiring a waiting period for deput

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Voting results for Proposal 5961

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/11/17 Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > CoE: > > This is missing most of the votes that were cast on this proposal. > > I intend, with 2 support, to initiate a criminal case alleging that > the AFO violated Rule 2215 by publishing the below message in an > attempt to mislead other into thi

DIS: Re: BUS: Because I Hate The Assessor

2008-11-16 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 1:07 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I agree to the following: > { > This is a public contract and a pledge. > > Anyone can join or leave this contract. > > Votes of the form RANDOM(vote), RANDOM(vote,vote), RANDOM(vote,vote,vote) > and so on are > conditional

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: If at first you don't succeed...

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/11/17 Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > 2008/11/17 Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> The second instance is BobTHJ in January 2008. Digging through the archives, >> it looks like it generated some discussion, but I don't see a CFJ on it. >> Thus, we cannot conclusively say that BobTHJ'

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: If at first you don't succeed...

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/11/17 Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > The second instance is BobTHJ in January 2008. Digging through the archives, > it looks like it generated some discussion, but I don't see a CFJ on it. > Thus, we cannot conclusively say that BobTHJ's registration was permitted -- > it could have b

DIS: Re: OFF: [IADoP] Elections for IADoP, Tailor

2008-11-16 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Thu, 13 Nov 2008 10:04:19 -0500 "Geoffrey Spear" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > This message serves to initiate the Agoran Decision to choose the > holders of the IADoP and Tailor offices. The eligible voters are the > active players and the vote collector is the IADoP. > > For IADoP, the valid

DIS: Re: BUS: If at first you don't succeed...

2008-11-16 Thread Joshua Boehme
On Mon, 17 Nov 2008 01:03:02 + "Elliott Hird" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/11/17 Joshua Boehme <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > > The question is, does the "so" in the second sentence refer to > > "deregister[ing]" or to "deregister[ing] by announcement?" If the latter, > > then even deregistrati

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/11/17 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > What strong precedent? I don't remember that clause being invoked > even once (until now) since it was enacted. > > Well, the precedent caused by it being voted in with that intention? Just saying. Anyway I think that the definition of voting limit is

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > 2008/11/17 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Aha. I initiate an inquiry case on the following statement, >> disqualifying comex: >> >> Neither Proposal 5956 nor Proposal 5962 has been adopted. > > Arguments: > > Strong precedent is that one-off increases work. What strong p

DIS: Re: BUS: Tubthumping

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:33 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > For each of the 100 partnerships P1 through P100, I intend (with > Agoran consent) to deregister that partnership per Rule 2144. I'll deregister them myself once the success of all this has been established.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:26 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Surely these are ineffective because they don't have those notes? They (in theory) gained them at the end of the week (i.e. 00:00) due to the spam proposals passing. This was, of course, the purpose of them, and the reason th

DIS: Re: BUS: stuff

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > On behalf of P1: P1 spends one F# note to increase ehird's voting > limit on Proposal 5962 by 1. [snip] > On behalf of P100: P100 spends one F# note to increase ehird's voting > limit on Proposal 5956 by 1. Surely these are ineffective because they don't have those notes?

DIS: Re: BUS: Elevators & Lifts

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:17 PM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I act on behalf of Rule 2218 to create a new Power=1 Rule, titled "The > New Threat" which reads: Enacted as Rule 2219 in category "Trophies".

DIS: Re: [Assessor] Voting results for Proposals 5956, 5962

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 7:10 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > [message #4] > [version 1 - publish right after 12:10] > [TODO check the actual votes on these guys - this is just from assessor db] > /* > In all my future communications, a vote of SDONATE(x - y) should be > evaluated to be the p

DIS: Re: does that work

2008-11-16 Thread comex
Nevermind this, I thought the other one didn't work.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 5833-5840

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 6:07 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > OscarMeyr wrote: > >> Proposal: Article fix, AI = 2, II = 0: >> Amend R2166 by replacing the text "an rule" with "a rule". > > I already proposed this fix. And arguably I can fix it without proposal thanks to Rule 754. But b

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: > Here's an idea for AAA: Harvest a mutated rule to turn a mill into a > specified other kind of mill, or a digit ranch into a random other > digit ranch. This will need supporting changes to the parts that say > that a land CANNOT be changed once created. Or harvest to d

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: rulekeepor's notes on proposals 5833-5840

2008-11-16 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: > Proposal: Article fix, AI = 2, II = 0: > Amend R2166 by replacing the text "an rule" with "a rule". I already proposed this fix.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation

2008-11-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:41 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:39, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > >> I nominate comex and ehird for Notary. > > > Absolutely happy to take it. Nothing can be as hard as Coinkeepor. I'm interpreting R2154 as requiring acceptance of a nom

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 10:53 AM, Elliott Hird <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:52, Benjamin Schultz wrote: > >> I don't see the farm on there. Do I have to get an account and log in? > > > Apparently it's unlinked. http://www.nomictools.com/agora/aaa > That page is out of date

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: Distribution of proposals 5949-5964

2008-11-16 Thread comex
On Sun, Nov 16, 2008 at 11:34 AM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> 5957 D 1 2.0 comex Govern by the Spirt (of Nomic) > > Probably breaks a whole bunch of things. AGAINST Like what?

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 16, 2008, at 11:11 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 16 Nov 2008, at 16:03, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Shiny! Thanks very much. Thank Wooble, not me :) Thanks to you ehird for reminding me of the link, and thanks to Wooble for the page. And now, a shiny -- for the LOL caption: http://p

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
On 16 Nov 2008, at 16:03, Benjamin Schultz wrote: Shiny! Thanks very much. Thank Wooble, not me :)

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:53 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:52, Benjamin Schultz wrote: I don't see the farm on there. Do I have to get an account and log in? Apparently it's unlinked. http://www.nomictools.com/agora/aaa Shiny! Thanks very much. - Benjamin Schultz KE3O

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:52, Benjamin Schultz wrote: I don't see the farm on there. Do I have to get an account and log in? Apparently it's unlinked. http://www.nomictools.com/agora/aaa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 16, 2008, at 10:46 AM, Elliott Hird wrote: http://nomictools.com I don't see the farm on there. Do I have to get an account and log in? - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:45, Benjamin Schultz wrote: I think the AAA report is on a web page somewhere, but I lost the URL. Somebody please repost it. http://nomictools.com -- ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
I think the AAA report is on a web page somewhere, but I lost the URL. Somebody please repost it. - Benjamin Schultz KE3OM OscarMeyr

DIS: Re: BUS: Resignation

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
On 16 Nov 2008, at 15:39, Benjamin Schultz wrote: I nominate comex and ehird for Notary. Absolutely happy to take it. Nothing can be as hard as Coinkeepor. -- ehird

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2218 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-11-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 15, 2008, at 10:22 PM, Taral wrote: On Thu, Nov 13, 2008 at 3:22 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: OK, then, how should I rephrase it so that it is an equation? Like a contract. X shall Y. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble

DIS: Re: BUS: AAA bandwagon!

2008-11-16 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Nov 15, 2008, at 1:19 PM, Taral wrote: On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 10:13 AM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: I harvest 107, an amended power-3 rule, for 8 crops. I harvest 955, an amended power-3 rule, for 8 crops. I attempt to harvest 1728, an amended power-3 rule, for 8 crops. (Is mutation

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: pledg

2008-11-16 Thread Elliott Hird
On 16 Nov 2008, at 04:24, Ed Murphy wrote: Yes, it did: The pledge at the start of this thread. -- ehird