Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Zefram
Ben Caplan wrote: >Date: Sun, 29 Jun 2008 23:12:23 -0500 > >http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc >thinks that the time as I write this is 04:10 Jun 30 (UTC) >or 16:10 Jun 29 (GMT +12). That's wrong. The time according to your Date header is 2008-06-29 23:12:23 in UTC-5h, which is 2008

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Zefram
Ed Murphy wrote: >Looks like just the "Etc/GMT+-X" entries are broken: Yes, for historical reasons the signs have often been inverted in those filenames. -zefram

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Zefram
Ben Caplan wrote: >This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need >to be able to lie with impunity. See who fears information getting out. I propose to lynch Pavitra. -zefram

DIS: Proto Proposals galore!

2008-06-29 Thread Quazie
I submit the following proto-proposals: Proposal - 'Capitol 1' - AI = 1, II=0 --- Change all instances of 'ruleset' to 'Ruleset' in R1681 Change all instances of 'ruleset' to 'Ruleset' in R1750 Change all instances of 'ruleset' to 'Ruleset' in R2200 Change all instances of 'Contestmaster' to 'c

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Activate the PRS

2008-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Taral wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Activate the PRS >> AI: 1 >> II: 1 >> { >> Upon the adoption of this proposal the contract known as the Points >> Relay Service becomes a contest with BobTHJ as its contestmaster >> } > > I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-06-29 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 11:19 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > It hasn't been ratified in over 3 years. If an old inconsistency like > the one Quazie thought e found comes up, I don't want to have to > recalculate everything that's happened since 2005. And with recent > events involving

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Mon, Jun 30, 2008 at 12:05 AM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I intend to ratify the Registrar's Report of June 29, 2008 without objection. > > Major ratifications like this should be accompanied by a reason. It hasn't

DIS: Re: BUS: Proposal: Activate the PRS

2008-06-29 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:16 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Activate the PRS > AI: 1 > II: 1 > { > Upon the adoption of this proposal the contract known as the Points > Relay Service becomes a contest with BobTHJ as its contestmaster > } I don't think this works... -- Taral <[EMAIL

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [Registrar] Here and Gone Again: a Registrar's Report

2008-06-29 Thread Taral
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 3:43 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I intend to ratify the Registrar's Report of June 29, 2008 without objection. Major ratifications like this should be accompanied by a reason. -- Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> "Please let me know if there's any further trouble I

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: Happy birthday, Agora! >>> 45 seconds late, I believe. >> "the entire day of June 30, GMT +1200" = June 29 12:00:00 to June 30 >> 12:00:00 (UTC). My message was posted at June 30 00:00:45 (UTC). > http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc > thinks that the time as I wri

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: > On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> >> wrote: >>> The werewolves kill ais523. >>> >>> The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. >> And we still don't really have anything to go on. ais523 knew

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
>>> Happy birthday, Agora! >> 45 seconds late, I believe. > "the entire day of June 30, GMT +1200" = June 29 12:00:00 to June 30 > 12:00:00 (UTC). My message was posted at June 30 00:00:45 (UTC). http://www.timezoneconverter.com/cgi-bin/tzc.tzc thinks that the time as I write this is 04:10 Jun 30

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:03 PM, Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Wolves need >>> to be able to lie with impunity. Perhaps we should put a term in the >>> contract to the effect of "a party shall not publicly assert eir role"? >> >> Sometimes a well timed role claim can win the game. >> >

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
>> Wolves need >> to be able to lie with impunity. Perhaps we should put a term in the >> contract to the effect of "a party shall not publicly assert eir role"? > > Sometimes a well timed role claim can win the game. > > And a well timed false role claim can really mess up the Town. By "public",

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
Wooble wrote: > 2008/6/29 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Happy birthday, Agora! >> > > 45 seconds late, I believe. "the entire day of June 30, GMT +1200" = June 29 12:00:00 to June 30 12:00:00 (UTC). My message was posted at June 30 00:00:45 (UTC).

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
> via clauses something like these: > > "I sell my vote on for " is equivalent to > conditionally voting "endorsing the person (if any) who buys my vote; > if they are not an eligible voter, then as they direct; if there is > no such person, then no vote". This is a good idea. The only thing

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 29, 2008, at 11:30 PM, Ben Caplan wrote: ehird, I'll give you all my chits if you make a public statement of innocence. This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. Perhaps we should put a term in the contract to th

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
> ehird, I'll give you all my chits if you make a public statement of innocence. This strikes me as not within the spirit of the game of Werewolf. Wolves need to be able to lie with impunity. Perhaps we should put a term in the contract to the effect of "a party shall not publicly assert eir role"

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 10:07 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > 2008/6/29 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >> Happy birthday, Agora! >> > > 45 seconds late, I believe. Wait, what? Does "GMT +1200" mean + 1,200 hours? I assumed it meant + 12:00, i.e., + 12 hours. GMT +12 as of the writ

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:04 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which is part of why I'm outside the game. The format of Agora Werewolf is > currently that each Day only one player is considered for lynching; there's > no opportunity to watch people change their votes around and see

DIS: Re: BUS: Magenta! Columbia!

2008-06-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
2008/6/29 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > Happy birthday, Agora! > 45 seconds late, I believe.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Quazie
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:04 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: > >> On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> >>> The werewolves kill ais523. >>> >>> The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. >> >> And

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Benjamin Schultz
On Jun 29, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Ian Kelly wrote: On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: The werewolves kill ais523. The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. And we still don't really have anything to go on. ais523 knew that we needed public voting, and e pa

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:20 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Which attempts failed, mine that were part of my judgement, or others? > I think the one that was part of my judgement should have worked. -Goethe I meant the earlier attempts, before the contract change was announced. Inc

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 8:14 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Now, to note things from the last round, ehird was the one to nominate >> Wobble, and that makes em a likely candidate for werewolferies. I >> will likely suppo

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ben Caplan
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:14 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> ehird was the one to nominate >> Wobble > Wooble was not a werewolf HMMM... After much ponderance, I submit the following for your consideration: ZOMG EHIRD =

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-29 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Sun, 29 Jun 2008, Ian Kelly wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> No, the attempts to deregister it were based upon the belief that the >>> Manroster only contained ehird (and e was therefore the only partner). >>> It now turns out that the Manroste

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread comex
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 9:24 PM, Quazie <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Now, to note things from the last round, ehird was the one to nominate > Wobble, and that makes em a likely candidate for werewolferies. I > will likely support any attempt to lynch ehird, but would be willing > to talk about it

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:31 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, the attempts to deregister it were based upon the belief that the >> Manroster only contained ehird (and e was therefore the only partner). >> It now turns out that the Manroster actually only contained Ivan Hope >> CXXVI

DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Quazie
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The werewolves kill ais523. > > The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. > Now, to note things from the last round, ehird was the one to nominate Wobble, and that makes em a likely candidate for werewolferies. I will lik

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2011-12 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Thanks to the evidence BobTHJ provided, these are straightforward: comex >> did not comply with the relevant provision of the Vote Market contract, >> resulting in a ruling in CFJ 2011 of GUILTY, nor did

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> The werewolves kill ais523. >> >> The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. > > Can you provide a list of who's still alive? Sure, I could look it up > myself and remove ais523 and whoever it was that we l

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
root wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> Good catch. As ehird isn't registered, E isn't a player, so E can't >>> be in the manroster regardless of what the manroster says (unless the >>> contract somehow has a greater power than the rule indicating

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: comex, I hereby offer you a temporary fix.

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
BobTHJ wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 11:49 AM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> This is absurd. You've set up an impossible condition if no one's buying. >> I state that the fact of no one being willing to buy even the cheapest >> of votes is a state not envisioned by the contract, a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5577-5584

2008-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > ehird wrote: > >>> 5577 O1 1comex I don't deserve Scamster! >> AGAINSTx4 > [etc.] > > Unsuccessful because you aren't an eligible voter. > Yes, I remembered that now.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/30 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: > And we still don't really have anything to go on. ais523 knew that we > needed public voting, and e paid for it with eir life. > > -root > This. We need it. ehird

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: distribution of proposals 5577-5584

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: >> 5577 O1 1comex I don't deserve Scamster! > AGAINSTx4 [etc.] Unsuccessful because you aren't an eligible voter.

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: registration

2008-06-29 Thread Ed Murphy
ehird wrote: > I initiate a criminal CFJ against myself for lying, blah blah blah see above. Unsuccessful because you didn't specify the rule allegedly violated.

DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The werewolves kill ais523. > > The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. Can you provide a list of who's still alive? Sure, I could look it up myself and remove ais523 and whoever it was that we lynched yesterday, but th

DIS: Re: BUS: Werewolves update

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The werewolves kill ais523. > > The night phase ends; a new day phase begins. And we still don't really have anything to go on. ais523 knew that we needed public voting, and e paid for it with eir life. -root

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: The Agoran Civil Service Union

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 5:24 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >>> 7. Vogons SHOULD support the candidacies of other Vogons in elections >>> to choose the holders of offices. A Vogon who votes for a non-Vogon >>> in an election in which at least one other candidate is a Vogon SHALL >>>

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: The Agoran Civil Service Union

2008-06-29 Thread Geoffrey Spear
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 6:10 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Assessor 35 >> Promotor 50 > > I think you've got these reversed. Well, I admit I didn't put all that much effort into ana

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: Hello, world

2008-06-29 Thread Charles Reiss
On Sun, Jun 29, 2008 at 4:08 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 2:50 PM, Charles Reiss <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> I would suggest taking this opportunity to terminate the equation of CFJ >> 1915. >> > > With the majority consent of the Vote Market parties I int

DIS: Re: BUS: Contract: The Agoran Civil Service Union

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 7:50 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Assessor 35 > Promotor 50 I think you've got these reversed. > 7. Vogons SHOULD support the candidacies of other Vogons in elections > to choose the holders of offices. A Vogon who votes for a

Re: DIS: Re: BUS: RE: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 2046 assigned to Goethe

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Fri, Jun 27, 2008 at 10:55 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Good catch. As ehird isn't registered, E isn't a player, so E can't >> be in the manroster regardless of what the manroster says (unless the >> contract somehow has a greater power than the rule indicating what a >> player i

DIS: Re: BUS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJs 2011-12 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-06-29 Thread Ian Kelly
On Wed, Jun 25, 2008 at 5:40 PM, Benjamin Schultz <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Thanks to the evidence BobTHJ provided, these are straightforward: comex > did not comply with the relevant provision of the Vote Market contract, > resulting in a ruling in CFJ 2011 of GUILTY, nor did e comply with the

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-29 Thread ihope
Bribing officials is bad, as they're supposed to do what the people (via legislation) want them to. Is bribing people bad, as they're supposed to do what they themselves want them to? --Ivan Hope CXXVII

DIS: Re: BUS: Overtime

2008-06-29 Thread Nick Vanderweit
On Sat, Jun 28, 2008 at 8:11 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > I submit the following propoasl, AI-2, entitled "Overtime": > -- > Overtime > > Amend R2187 by appending the following: > > If no players have won by High

Re: DIS: Protoproposal of a defense of democracy

2008-06-29 Thread Nick Vanderweit
I don't see the point. For a government, bribes are bad. But our game of Agora is based around the concepts of scamming, bribing, and being a sneaky little twerp. People should be allowed to vote however is necessary or advantageous to them. avpx

DIS: Re: BUS: song

2008-06-29 Thread Elliott Hird
2008/6/29 Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>: >D D E D G Gb / D D E D A G / D D D B G Gb E / C C B G A G AGORA, YOU SUCK. I mean happy birthday. ehird