Ivan Hope, Pavitra, Zefram: Why did you vote against Proposal 5520?
On Fri, Jun 13, 2008 at 12:04 AM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Proposal: Clerk disinterest
> (AI = 1.7, please)
>
> Amend Rule 2157 (Judicial Panels) by replacing this text:
>
> (if the CotC is not a member)
>
> with this text:
>
> (if the CotC is neither a member of the panel
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 11:31 PM, Schrodinger's Cat
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> According to Rule 869:
> A person CAN register, unless prevented by the rules, by
> announcing that e registers, wishes to register, requests
> registration, or requests permission to register.
>
> As
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:41 PM, Elliott Hird <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 13/06/2008, Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Elliott Hird <
> > [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> >
> >> I initiate an inquiry CFJ on the statement: {Schrodinger's Cat is a
> >> pl
Original Message
From: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
To: <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
Subject: Thank you for writing to Senator Hillary Rodham Clinton
Date: Fri, 13 Jun 2008 00:35:41 -0400
Dear Friend:
Thank you for taking the time to share your thoughts and concerns with me
via e-mail. I hope
root wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Goethe wrote:
>>
>>> Or, we could bring back mafia, that was nice.
>> WANT. (They've been doing the Werewolf variety at the local gaming
>> conventions for a year or two now.)
>
> Or how about a round of "Bang
Pavitra wrote:
> I initiate a criminal case against comex for falsely stating to a
> public forum that Hillary Rodham Clinton is a senator, who in fact
> has never even been so much as a player.
This is unsuccessful because it did not specify the rule allegedly
breached.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:57 PM, Roger Hicks <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Elliott Hird
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Didn't I tell you to vote FORx7 my proposal?
>>
>> Have you? I haven't noticed it.
>>
> I posted the votes shortly after your filling the ticket. D
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:25 PM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Didn't I tell you to vote FORx7 my proposal?
>
> Have you? I haven't noticed it.
>
I posted the votes shortly after your filling the ticket. Did they not
go through?
BobTHJ
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:16 PM, Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Goethe wrote:
>
>> Or, we could bring back mafia, that was nice.
>
> WANT. (They've been doing the Werewolf variety at the local gaming
> conventions for a year or two now.)
Or how about a round of "Bang!"?
-root
Goethe wrote:
> Or, we could bring back mafia, that was nice.
WANT. (They've been doing the Werewolf variety at the local gaming
conventions for a year or two now.)
On 13/06/2008, Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Elliott Hird <
> [EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> I initiate an inquiry CFJ on the statement: {Schrodinger's Cat is a
>> player.}
>>
>> Arguments and counter-arguments: This thread.
>>
>> ehird
>>
>
> I wish to b
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:06 PM, Ben Caplan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The probability that an random integer of length N contains a given
> 9-digit sequence is no less than 1-((1-(1/10^9))^(N/9)).
Assuming that the digits are randomly distributed, of course.
> Given that
> xkcd is ungodly larg
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:33 PM, Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>> On 6/12/08, Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> > I would like to be registered as a player in agora.
>> > I would also like to use this name:
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 9:20 PM, Taral <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On 6/12/08, Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > I would like to be registered as a player in agora.
> > I would also like to use this name: Schrodinger's Cat.
>
> Welcome! Are you dead yet?
>
> --
> Eris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]
On 6/12/08, Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I would like to be registered as a player in agora.
> I would also like to use this name: Schrodinger's Cat.
Welcome! Are you dead yet?
--
Eris <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
"Please let me know if there's any further trouble I can give you."
-- Unk
> >> I rather doubt that can be "reasonably determined...from information
> >> published within the voting period."
> >
> > I disagree.
>
> Care to demonstrate?
The probability that an random integer of length N contains a given
9-digit sequence is no less than 1-((1-(1/10^9))^(N/9)). Given that
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:36 PM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/13 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I rather doubt that can be "reasonably determined...from information
>> published within the voting period."
>>
>> -root
>>
>
> I disagree.
>
> ehird
I nominate ehird as IADoP, as
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 6:36 PM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/13 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I rather doubt that can be "reasonably determined...from information
>> published within the voting period."
>>
>> -root
>>
>
> I disagree.
Care to demonstrate?
-root
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> This (very late and overlooked; my apologies) message initiates the
> Agoran Decision to choose the holder of the Assessor office. The
> valid options are ROOT and MURPHY, the eligible voters are the active
> players, and
2008/6/13 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I rather doubt that can be "reasonably determined...from information
> published within the voting period."
>
> -root
>
I disagree.
ehird
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Ian Kelly wrote:
>>> -- Schrodinger's Cat
>>>
>> I wish to join etc. are defined, but is 'I would like to be registered'?
>
> It's the same sentiment, isn't it?
>
Maybe. We'll have to open the box first.
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:21 PM, Elliott Hird <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I initiate an inquiry CFJ on the statement: {Schrodinger's Cat is a
> player.}
>
> Arguments and counter-arguments: This thread.
>
> ehird
>
I wish to be registered as a player, therefore I am a player.
-- Schrodinger's
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 8:10 PM, Elliott Hird <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/13 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> > It's the same sentiment, isn't it?
> >
> > -root
> >
>
> Yes. And?
>
> (I know Schrodinger's Cat from an IRC channel, so this isn't newbie
> bashing: I'm interested)
>
> ehird
>
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/13 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> It's the same sentiment, isn't it?
>>
>> -root
>>
>
> Yes. And?
>
> (I know Schrodinger's Cat from an IRC channel, so this isn't newbie
> bashing: I'm interested)
>
> ehird
>
If
2008/6/13 Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> It's the same sentiment, isn't it?
>
> -root
>
Yes. And?
(I know Schrodinger's Cat from an IRC channel, so this isn't newbie
bashing: I'm interested)
ehird
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 7:58 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Elliott Hird
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > 2008/6/13 Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> >> I would like to be registered as a player in agora.
> >> I would also like to use this name: Schro
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:45 PM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 2008/6/13 Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
>> I would like to be registered as a player in agora.
>> I would also like to use this name: Schrodinger's Cat.
>>
>> -- Schrodinger's Cat
>>
>
> I wish to join etc. are defined, b
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:48 PM, Elliott Hird
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> For the purposes of this message, 'xkcd' means A(g_64,g_64), where A
> is the Ackermann function
> (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ackermann_function) and g_64 is Graham's
> number (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Graham%27s_numb
2008/6/13 Matt Berman <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> I would like to be registered as a player in agora.
> I would also like to use this name: Schrodinger's Cat.
>
> -- Schrodinger's Cat
>
I wish to join etc. are defined, but is 'I would like to be registered'?
ehird
Geoffrey Spear wrote:
>How confident are we that MD5 doesn't have collisions between
>"FOR".$somehash and "AGAINST".$someotherhash?
It does inherently have collisions, and there's a known attack that has
demonstrated actual instances of collision (though not with meaningful
strings yet). The next
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> The fact is that no matter what seed you
> choose, it's possibe to find a seed for the opposite vote that
> collides with it, so such a rule would simply require us to invalidate
> all votes.
I think if we limited seeds to a r
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Quazie wrote:
> ooh, i miss the card games. Didn't you end up winning the last one by
> usinga card to draw another card, and then that card allowed you to
> undo your last card played?
Yah, that was the first win-by-paradox.
The contest I was talking about was not those
2008/6/12 Ben Caplan <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Ah.
>
> Is MD5 really that easy to brute-force? hmm...
>
> How about if each ballot also includes a proof-of-work? This should
> make searching for collisions harder.
>
> That is, instead of random noise as your salt, include the MD5 hash
> of a string be
On Thursday 12 June 2008 3:52:35 Ian Kelly wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ben Caplan wrote:
> > >
> > "FOR /*8947521705932789*/"
> > ("AGAINST /*8947521705932789*/" hashes to .)
>
> That doesn't prove anything.
>
> Of course, all this indicates to me is that we should u
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:00 PM, comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You know... to fake a vote in this manner (have your collision be not
> meaningless junk but a desired value), you would need a pretty amazing
> supercomputer. I don't think most Agorans have those to play with.
I don't know the
Didn't I tell you to vote FORx7 my proposal?
Have you? I haven't noticed it.
ehird
2008/6/12 comex <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Compromise on SHA-1?
>
Probably.
Or... SHA-512. It's no harder to implement than SHA-1 (mostly), it is
a lot slower, but meh.
Note that 2ch BBSs get quite well with a short substring of a crypt()
call! Though, they can be cracked in about a week. Their defe
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:52 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Of course, all this indicates to me is that we should use something
> stronger than MD5 for this.
You know... to fake a vote in this manner (have your collision be not
meaningless junk but a desired value), you would need a pr
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:31 PM, Ben Caplan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> We can just legislate that if you use a colliding hash, your vote
> doesn't count. Thus the reveal would look like {
> >
> "FOR /*8947521705932789*/"
> ("AGAINST /*8947521705932789*/" hashes to .)
> }
That doe
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 1:34 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>
>
> On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote:
>> Now, to discourage private collaboration ("I'll vote FOR, you vote
>> AGAINST.")
>
> Instead of discouraging, how about setting up a game where it's beneficial
> to lie and backst
On Thu, 12 Jun 2008, Ben Caplan wrote:
> Now, to discourage private collaboration ("I'll vote FOR, you vote
> AGAINST.")
Instead of discouraging, how about setting up a game where it's beneficial
to lie and backstab during private negotiations, Diplomacy-style (eg. points
that make backstabs w
On Thursday 12 June 2008 3:14:10 Geoffrey Spear wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Ben Caplan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> > B: I vote on it with md5 hash .
> >
> > (The string hashed as would have to include cryptographic salt:
> > rather than "FOR", it would be "FOR /*8947521705932789*/
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 2:14 PM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Ben Caplan
> <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> B: I vote on it with md5 hash .
>>
>> (The string hashed as would have to include cryptographic salt:
>> rather than "FOR", it would be "FOR /*89
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 4:04 PM, Ben Caplan
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> B: I vote on it with md5 hash .
>
> (The string hashed as would have to include cryptographic salt:
> rather than "FOR", it would be "FOR /*8947521705932789*/".)
How confident are we that MD5 doesn't have collisions between
On Wednesday 11 June 2008 8:11:33 Kerim Aydin wrote:
>
> On Wed, 11 Jun 2008, Nick Vanderweit wrote:
> > But then people would know how many FOR and AGAINST votes there had
> > been, and would simply use that to judge how they would vote.
>
> That's ok. Games to play:
>-So who votes first?
>
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:47 AM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>>> By giving the currency out to public works and
>>> officers who do
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 10:29 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> By giving the currency out to public works and
>> officers who do their reports on time, it gives incentive. In
>> addition, since they could
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:10 PM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> By giving the currency out to public works and
> officers who do their reports on time, it gives incentive. In
> addition, since they could be traded freely, players may pay each
> other the currency in exchange for favo
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 3:19 AM, Zefram <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Nick Vanderweit wrote:
>>So should I just write up a proto-proposal for an ordinary linear
>>numerical system of currency with the proposed ideas (transfer tax,
>>etc)?
>
> We already have currencies. We don't need a new one, and
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 5:11 AM, Geoffrey Spear <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> You can't harvest the same CFJ twice.
>
> I don't see that in the contract.
"Within one week after an ID number is assigned to a CFJ, a Farmer CAN
o
2008/6/12 Ed Murphy <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>:
> Can we just stick to contested proposals plz?
>
>
No. :-P
ehird
On Thu, Jun 12, 2008 at 12:03 AM, Nick Vanderweit <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> It seems like people would just
> put all of their money in banks and try not to spend it so that it
> would grow, and, while in the real world banks serve to give loans for
> higher interest than they pay for a savings
On Wed, Jun 11, 2008 at 3:35 PM, Ian Kelly <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You can't harvest the same CFJ twice.
I don't see that in the contract.
Nick Vanderweit wrote:
>So should I just write up a proto-proposal for an ordinary linear
>numerical system of currency with the proposed ideas (transfer tax,
>etc)?
We already have currencies. We don't need a new one, and they're easy
to create if we do find a need for one. What you need to do
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