Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1963 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-21 Thread Ed Murphy
OscarMeyr wrote: > I do not immediately see how R101 overrides R2173 regarding the > disclosure of a private contract. I may have to reread the a-d > archives, this'll teach me to delete emails! The disclosure message was actually posted by ehird, and (if Duality works as intended) also lega

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1963 assigned to OscarMeyr

2008-05-21 Thread Benjamin Schultz
At first glance: Since ehird is NOT Ivan Hope CXXVII, only able to act for em, I may reasonably disregard eir comments. I do not immediately see how R101 overrides R2173 regarding the disclosure of a private contract. I may have to reread the a-d archives, this'll teach me to delete emai

Re: DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1936a assigned to comex, Pavitra, pikhq

2008-05-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > Simply put: persons make binding agreements; Agora makes those > agreements into contracts, and eventually perhaps contests. The > judgement for a question on equation is not even a contract. Counterargument: R1742 says "Contracts are binding agreements governed by the rules".

DIS: Re: BUS: No unappealable judgements

2008-05-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Pavitra wrote: > I submit the following proposal, entitled "No unappealable judgements", > with AI=1.7 and II=1: > > {{ > Amend rule 911 by inserting the text " of REMAND or REASSIGN" after > "a judgement" in the second paragraph. > }} A judgement of REMAND or REASSIGN does not cause a judgement

DIS: Re: OFF: [CotC] CFJ 1936a assigned to comex, Pavitra, pikhq

2008-05-21 Thread Ben Caplan
For reference: > == CFJ 1936 == > > The judge in an equity case CAN make the equation a contest by > stating it is one. > > > > Judge Murphy's Arguments: >

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread comex
On 5/21/08, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > (As opposed, say, to prefacing an action with "on behalf > of both of us, I hereby..." which is very clear). Not if the order matters.

DIS: Pending court business

2008-05-21 Thread Ed Murphy
Inquiry cases: 1956-57, 1958, 1961, 1962 Criminal cases: 1951, 1963 Appeal cases: 1936a In this time of emergency, I urge my fellow senators to consider sitting up and volunteering for part of this case load.

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 21 May 2008, ihope wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> That doesn't mean the someone else actually sent the message, which is >> important for the infinite loop you're trying to establish. > > We weren't trying to establish an infinite loop;

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread ihope
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 5:20 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > You can send messages on someone else's behalf that say "I (someone) > hereby send this message on someone else's behalf". That's fine, and > it can have some legal effects as if the someone else sent the message. > That doe

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 21 May 2008, ihope wrote: > On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> No, what we have here is "sending messages as if I were you". That goes >> beyond an action taken "on behalf", where there's no question on who >> the message came from. > > Well, partne

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread comex
On 5/21/08, ihope <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, partnerships are certainly capable of doing stuff, and they're > most likely able to do stuff by announcement, which probably means > they can send public messages, if their contract allows people to do > that on their behalf. Likewise, ehird

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread ihope
On Wed, May 21, 2008 at 3:56 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > No, what we have here is "sending messages as if I were you". That goes > beyond an action taken "on behalf", where there's no question on who > the message came from. Well, partnerships are certainly capable of doing stuff

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread Kerim Aydin
On Wed, 21 May 2008, ihope wrote: > Well, what we have here is automatic acting-on-behalf. Acting on > behalf, though not described in any rule, I think, has been around for > a while, having been deemed possible by a CFJ. I think convention is > that automatic stuff is acceptable as long as it's

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread ihope
On Tue, May 20, 2008 at 10:19 PM, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Other gratuitous counterargument: > > Since all we do in this game is "send messages", complete confounding of > message=sending between two persons crosses the line found to be impossible > to cross by CFJ 1895, specificall

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread Ed Murphy
comex wrote: > O Goethe, why do you always quote your own judgements? :D Because there are more of them? :) cotc=# select p.name, count(*) from events e join events e2 on e.link = e2.id join players p on e2.player = p.id join matters m on e2.matter = m.id where m.typecode <> 'Appeal' group by p

Re: DIS: Re: FW: BUS: Duality

2008-05-21 Thread comex
On 5/20/08, Kerim Aydin <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Since all we do in this game is "send messages", complete confounding of > message=sending between two persons crosses the line found to be impossible > to cross by CFJ 1895, specifically: > >"It is a longstanding principle of Agora that fund

DIS: RE: null proposal distribution

2008-05-21 Thread Alexander Smith
Zefram wrote: > There would normally be a proposal distribution at this time, but > there are no proposals to distribute. Yes there are, you missed my Mad Scientist proposal in agora-official. (I put it there because the rules state that the proposal may some day retroactively turn out to have bee