Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-22 Thread Rob Freeman
Twenkid, Wow. Lots of words. I don't mind detail, but words are slippery. If you actually want to do stuff, it's better to keep the words to a minimum and start with concrete examples. At least until some minimum of consensus is agreed. Trying to focus on your concrete questions... On Sat, Jun

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-22 Thread Boris Kazachenko
>Wow. Lots of words. I don't mind detail, but words are slippery. He is marking a territory, like any dog. It's all about self-promotion: the more he talk about himself, the better he feels. You both talk too much to get anything done, it becomes an end in itself, substance is secondary. --

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-22 Thread Rob Freeman
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 6:05 PM Boris Kazachenko wrote: > ... > You both talk too much to get anything done... Ah well, you may be getting lots done, Boris. The difference is perhaps, I don't know everything yet. Though, after 35 years, it can be surprising what other people don't know. I like t

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-22 Thread Boris Kazachenko
On Saturday, June 22, 2024, at 7:18 AM, Rob Freeman wrote: > But I'm not sure that just sticking to some idea of learned hierarchy, which is all I remember of your work, without exposing it to criticism, is necessarily going to get you any further. It's perfectly exposed: https://github.com/boris-k

Re: [agi] AGI I predict will come at the end of 2026

2024-06-22 Thread Matt Mahoney
You can't compare human and computer intelligence. Each have been smarter than the other in different ways since the 1950s. When will we run out of ways that humans are still better? When will we stop moving the goalposts and declare AGI? If the cost of making a $10M movie drops by half every 2 ye

[agi] grokfast

2024-06-22 Thread James Bowery
An amusing anecdote: Double descent aka Grokking struck me as so obvious that I thought I must be mistaken about it since everyone seemed so mystified. What seemed obvious was the approximation of Algorithmic Information that must take place when one reduces the magnitude of the parameters under

Re: [agi] AGI I predict will come at the end of 2026

2024-06-22 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
I'm looking for a classification for AI. Still only narrow and broad AI? If a list of the top-50 products existed, how would they fit within a classification-to maturity quadrant? From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Sunday, 23 June 2024 01:50 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] AGI

Re: [agi] Can symbolic approach entirely replace NN approach?

2024-06-22 Thread Rob Freeman
On Sat, Jun 22, 2024 at 7:50 PM Boris Kazachenko wrote: > > On Saturday, June 22, 2024, at 7:18 AM, Rob Freeman wrote: > > But I'm not sure that just sticking to some idea of learned hierarchy, which > is all I remember of your work, without exposing it to criticism, is > necessarily going to ge

Re: [agi] AGI I predict will come at the end of 2026

2024-06-22 Thread immortal . discoveries
@Matt what year do you expect AGI? (which I classify as something that works on AI on its own but much faster due to having many copied clones and being a computer) And what year do you expect heart attacks and cancer to be solves with drugs or something easy to do at home? Sora proves we are