Re: [agi] Simulation

2019-09-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
Nodes have been dying ever since they were given life. But the mass is STILL here. Persistence is futile. We will leave Earth and avoid the sun. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Taa86c5612b8739b7-M0

Re: [agi] Simulation

2019-09-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
You can hear the ratchet's hypertrophy screeching. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Taa86c5612b8739b7-M6cda8589ce6eddb29bb5c3ea Delivery options: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/subscription

[agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread rouncer81
Ive got this feeling, that things are impossible to put.  I want to tell my computer what before means,  but I end up just saying before in the sentence itself.   "before means before." That is bullshit. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permali

[agi] Re: can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
*It's as good as the data in.* It's not about what you want, it's about what physics does. It's about the data we have, not your little idea of a new language.** -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Td

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Stefan Reich via AGI
Event 1 happens before event 2 := There is a timeline. Event 1 is at position X in the timeline. Event 2 is at position Y in the timeline. Y is to the right of X. That's one way. Sure, we used other words, but these may happen to mean something to the AI already. We could do it even simpl

[agi] Re: can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread immortal . discoveries
"Prior" is the word you want because it means previously. or You have x>y. Event 2 happens before event 1 Event 1 is at position x, event 2 is at position y is FALSE. False that this is Not False. Z -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: h

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Ben Goertzel
Aren't we back to Kant here? Time and space as fundamental categories, not fully reducible to other things... On Sat, Sep 28, 2019 at 7:11 PM wrote: > > Ive got this feeling, that things are impossible to put. I want to tell my > computer what before means, but I end up just saying before in

Re: [agi] Simulation

2019-09-28 Thread John Rose
On Saturday, September 28, 2019, at 4:59 AM, immortal.discoveries wrote: > Nodes have been dying ever since they were given life. But the mass is STILL > here. Persistence is futile. We will leave Earth and avoid the sun. You right. It is a sad state of affairs with the environment...the destruct

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread rouncer81
So it is a fundamental instinctual property,  along with the eye and ear + brain diagnostics. Nice to hear from you all. -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbox.com/groups/agi/Td59c0c4714ffb511-M56db37b1907dfa1c03b1387f

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Matt Mahoney
Before means not after. After means at a later time. Later means not earlier. Earlier means before. Ultimately every word in the dictionary is defined using other words in the same dictionary. That is what words mean. A language model is a probability distribution over word sequences. Two words ha

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread rouncer81
Thanks M&M for that,  especially about the automatic synonym generation, that would work wonders.         You guys all look like youve done more symbolic logic than me,   ive only done comp viz, motor mostly, so ive got some catching up to do. -- Artificia

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
First, ontological time and space depend on the human mind. Suppose dependence on the human mind, then time and space would be non-singular constructs. Therefore empirically A => B. Suppose independence of the human mind, then singular, and possibly own entities in the world. I would think irrel

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Ben Goertzel
Now you are advancing from Kant to Husserl and Deleuze ("Difference and Repetition") Deleuze really does ground time in deeper underlying perceptions of sameness, difference and direction We can go there if we want to... but if building AGI systems running on modern digital computers which have c

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
Ben I would agree with your assertion. With regards your experimentation with a probabilistic model for a dynamical "basket" of phenomonology? I think such research should be placed on the most-critical list for future-relevance. I wish you all the success with that. Loving the new word you fo

Re: [agi] can someone tell me what before means without saying before in it?

2019-09-28 Thread Ben Goertzel
> Loving the new word you formulated "quangraphtropy." If I ever get a cat again, that's the name! On Sun, Sep 29, 2019 at 1:05 PM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > > Ben > > I would agree with your assertion. > > With regards your experimentation with a probabilistic model for a dynamic