Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-20 Thread John Rose
On Thursday, June 20, 2024, at 12:19 AM, Nanograte Knowledge Technologies wrote: > Can machines really think? Let's redefine thinking as low-level, spoon fed > reasoning in an unconscious state, then perhaps they could be said to be able > to. We know a machine can view its own code and modify i

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
and practice first, before being able to apply reasoning features. I still think Pitrat's machine came closest to human reasoning. ____________ From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2024 23:41 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (IT

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
ve tried to prompt AI to be funny or surprising or interesting or creative, but it just doesn’t work.” www.technologyreview.com From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2024 23:41 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM) Remember

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Matt Mahoney
That was in response to Matt Mahoney's rather interesting reply. >> >> ---------- >> *From:* Nanograte Knowledge Technologies >> *Sent:* Wednesday, 19 June 2024 21:06 >> *To:* AGI >> *Subject:* Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machin

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Mike Archbold
dnesday, 19 June 2024 21:06 > *To:* AGI > *Subject:* Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM) > > You're confirming that you believe as you believe, providing your version > of evidence that everything we observe is relative. You're also asserting > how

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
PS: That was in response to Matt Mahoney's rather interesting reply. From: Nanograte Knowledge Technologies Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2024 21:06 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM) You're confirming that you beli

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
ef about this, either way. From: Matt Mahoney Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2024 19:25 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM) On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 12:40 AM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies mailto:nano...@live.com>> wrote: In your opi

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-19 Thread Matt Mahoney
On Wed, Jun 19, 2024, 12:40 AM Nanograte Knowledge Technologies < nano...@live.com> wrote: > In your opinion then, consciousness cannot yet be defined properly, but > you know for certain that there is no such a thing as a kind of life after > death, or a soul that leaves earth, even forever? > >

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-18 Thread Nanograte Knowledge Technologies
: Matt Mahoney Sent: Wednesday, 19 June 2024 05:10 To: AGI Subject: Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM) The appendix discusses consciousness, self awareness, emotions, and free will, but the authors are using strictly behavioral definitions for these terms so they can

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-18 Thread Matt Mahoney
The appendix discusses consciousness, self awareness, emotions, and free will, but the authors are using strictly behavioral definitions for these terms so they can legitimately model them. They model emotions as having 3 dimensions of pleasure, arousal, and dominance. An agent capable of acting to

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-18 Thread John Rose
On Monday, June 17, 2024, at 5:07 PM, Mike Archbold wrote: > It seems like a reasonable start  as a basis. I don't see how it relates to > consciousness really, except that I think they emphasize a real time aspect > and a flow of time which is good.  If you read the appendix a few times you wil

Re: [agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-17 Thread Mike Archbold
They say "understanding" a lot but don't really define it (perhaps implicitly). It seems like a reasonable start as a basis. I don't see how it relates to consciousness really, except that I think they emphasize a real time aspect and a flow of time which is good. On Sat, Jun 15, 2024 at 5:10 PM

[agi] Internal Time-Consciousness Machine (ITCM)

2024-06-15 Thread John Rose
For those of us pursuing consciousness-based AGI this is an interesting paper that gets more practical... LLM agent based but still v. interesting: https://arxiv.org/abs/2403.20097 -- Artificial General Intelligence List: AGI Permalink: https://agi.topicbo