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Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:46 AM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
I calculated it once. Always good to go up in frequency if antenna
gain and
path loss are the only considerations.
If you increase the
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 1:33 PM
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Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
In this case you could call it a law because it's nothing more than a formally
stated observation. A theory tries to explain why things happen, a law is just
stating what happens. One isn't be
-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
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Using redline gear I get 40 meg completely non line of site through about 3/4
of a forest.
But yeah. It all sucks.
I have three links depl
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From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
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I calculated it once. Always good to go up in frequency if antenna gain and
path loss are the only considerations
an Webster
www.wirelessmapping.com
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Mark Radabaugh
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 11:18 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Yes - an open area will give you a stronger signal.
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Lower frequencies do have lower free space loss, but for the same size
antenna you have less antenna gain. And with 2 antennas (xmt and rcv),
antenna gain wins. All else being equal, higher frequency usual
That makes sense. Thank you.
At 11:17 AM 6/23/2020, you wrote:
Yes - an open area will give you a stronger signal.
As long as a radio signal is above the detection threshold (the
signal is strong enough for the radio to detect) and the SNR is high
enough to support the modulation it will p
23, 2020 9:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Lower frequencies do have lower free space loss, but for the same size
antenna you have less antenna gain. And with 2 antennas (xmt and rcv),
antenna gain wins. All else being equal, higher fr
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From: AF On Behalf Of ch...@wbmfg.com
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:46 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
I calculated it once. Always good to go up in frequency if antenna gain and
path loss are the only considerations.
.
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From: Ken Hohhof
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 9:21 AM
To: 'AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group'
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Lower frequencies do have lower free space loss, but for the same size
antenna you have less antenna gain. And with 2 antennas (x
system too.
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From: AF On Behalf Of D. Bernardi
Sent: Tuesday, June 23, 2020 10:09 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Clearly RF isn't my specialty... Instead of SNR I guess I really meant
noise. If the noise floor is equal wo
Yes - an open area will give you a stronger signal.
As long as a radio signal is above the detection threshold (the signal is
strong enough for the radio to detect) and the SNR is high enough to support
the modulation it will perform to specification (assuming the manufacturer
provided accu
Clearly RF isn't my specialty... Instead of SNR I guess I really
meant noise. If the noise floor is equal wouldn't there be less
attenuation of the signal in an open environment (resulting in a better SNR)?
At 10:41 AM 6/23/2020, you wrote:
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:32 AM, D. Bernardi w
> On Jun 23, 2020, at 10:32 AM, D. Bernardi wrote:
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>
>
> I was thinking more in terms of foliage or other object density, or
> mountains/hills, to help estimate range. Wouldn't TVWS still have better
> performance in an open area compared to dense forest given equal SNR?
>
If SNR is id
of
thumb for CPE, antenna and labor usually comes
in between $800-$1000. There is just not enough
production runs from any manufacturer to get the
price point lower. >> >> >> >> Thank you, >>
Brian Webster >> www.wirelessmapping.com >> >>
From
production runs from any manufacturer to get the price point lower.
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>>
>>
>> Thank you,
>> Brian Webster
>> www.wirelessmapping.com
>>
>> From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
>> Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2
[mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of Matt Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Using redline gear I get 40 meg completely non
line of site through about 3/4 of a forest.
But yeah. It all sucks.
I h
Users Group'
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Spectrum is always going to be a challenge in TVWS. The recent FCC TV channel
auction/repack has eliminated some of the channels so now there is less. Some
manufacturers are doing channel bonding to improve performance and throughpu
Hoppes
Sent: Wednesday, June 17, 2020 9:03 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Using redline gear I get 40 meg completely non line of site through about 3/4
of a forest.
But yeah. It all sucks.
I have three links deployed. They serve
Using redline gear I get 40 meg completely non line of site through about 3/4
of a forest.
But yeah. It all sucks.
I have three links deployed. They serve specific purposes. Nothing I would do
on a grand scale.
> On Jun 17, 2020, at 8:47 AM, Eric Nielsen wrote:
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>
> Comsearch offers T
Comsearch offers TVWS maps that show channel availability. If there's a
specific area that's of particular interest to you, try reaching out to
them to see if they could give you an idea of encumbrances.
On Tue, Jun 16, 2020 at 2:01 PM D. Bernardi wrote:
>
> Howdy folks,
>
> I'm looking into sol
g.com wrote:
Does Carlson still make it?
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:27 PM
To: <mailto:af@af.afmug.com>af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
So that's a fair point, but who has tried TVWS recently?
All I hear is the rules suck, the database sucks, the
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> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
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> So that's a fair point, but who has tried TVWS recently?
>
> All I hear is the rules suck, the database sucks, the equipment sucks, and
> it's expensive. If someone has anything positive to s
Title: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Chuck,
Don't get me started on that one. Lost about $5k on that experiment.
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Tuesday, June 16, 2020, 3:38:10 PM, you wrote:
meters or smartgrid and you're
> screwed. If they haven't already.
>
> -Original Message-
> From: AF On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
> Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:40 PM
> To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
> Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
>
I have some hope for Radwin’s new gear.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> On Jun 16, 2020, at 3:28 PM, Adam Moffett wrote:
>
>
> So that's a fair point, but who has tried TVWS recently?
>
>
>
> All I hear is the rules suck, the data
Does Carlson still make it?
From: Adam Moffett
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:27 PM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
So that's a fair point, but who has tried TVWS recently?
All I hear is the rules suck, the database sucks, the equipment sucks, and it's
So that's a fair point, but who has tried TVWS recently?
All I hear is the rules suck, the database sucks, the equipment sucks,
and it's expensive. If someone has anything positive to say I'd love to
hear it, but I haven't yet.
On 6/16/2020 2:04 PM, Mike Hammett wrote:
Make sure that you
Radwin are supposed to have a new TVWS product in Beta testing.
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From: AF [mailto:af-boun...@af.afmug.com] On Behalf Of D. Bernardi
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 11:01 AM
To: af@af.afmug.com
Subject: [AFMUG] TVWS feasibility
Howdy folks,
I'm looking into solutions to de
And then the power company deploys smartmeters or smartgrid and you're screwed.
If they haven't already.
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From: AF On Behalf Of Jeff Broadwick - Lists
Sent: Tuesday, June 16, 2020 1:40 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] TVWS feasib
I’d stay away from it until they fix the database. It’s notoriously
inaccurate.
Cambium 450 900 will give you good speeds if the noise floor is anything
approaching decent.
Jeff Broadwick
CTIconnect
312-205-2519 Office
574-220-7826 Cell
jbroadw...@cticonnect.com
> On Jun 16, 2020, at 2:22 P
I would study the crap out of it using this new lidar tool.
Even with RM you can do two overlapping polar heat maps. Where it turns
black that is a repeater site.
A solar powered repeater at the mid point may be no more cost and work a
heck of a lot better than any NLOS product.
-Origin
On 6/16/20 11:22, D. Bernardi wrote:
I'm considering building an analyzer to get some basic spectral use.
Given the rural nature I assume spectrum could be fairly clean but yes,
cellular operators gobbling up spectrum is a concern.
That's determined by the TVWS database. There used to be
I'm considering building an analyzer to get some
basic spectral use. Given the rural nature I
assume spectrum could be fairly clean but yes,
cellular operators gobbling up spectrum is a concern.
At 02:13 PM 6/16/2020, you wrote:
Don't hold your breath. The availability of TVWS
spectrum
Good point. I'm definitely just interested in most recent technology
and/or deployments.
At 02:04 PM 6/16/2020, you wrote:
Make sure that you only heed technical experience from modern,
recent platforms. Someone that tried gen 1 year 8 years ago may have
had a valid experience, but that e
Don't hold your breath. The availability of TVWS spectrum varies (a lot)
by region, and many areas do not have enough usable spectrum available
to make it anything more than a curiosity. Add to the fact, that they
keep "chipping away" at the spectrum and selling it off to the big
cellular opera
Make sure that you only heed technical experience from modern, recent
platforms. Someone that tried gen 1 year 8 years ago may have had a valid
experience, but that experience is no longer relevant... unless it's more about
the company than the product.
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Mike Hammett
Intelligent Comp
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