I agree, but the only way for that to work is going to be lots and lots of
documentation, so that when the customer does change something after the
fact and gets fined, you can go back and say "that wasn't that way when it
was certified".
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:19 PM Steve Jones
wrote:
> If
If you were certified, and you received a fine, then whoever did the
certification absolutely should be the one accountable. Thats the entire
purpose, ensuring you are compliant. Its no different the your CPI in CBRS
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 12:02 PM Mathew Howard wrote:
> True, but then any cert
True, but then any certification you did wouldn't mean much. The only way I
see that you can make a certification actually mean something is if it
gives them so level of guarantee that they won't get fined.
Although, I guess if it's a certification that comes from an organization
with enough credi
So kind of like WinnForum did with CBRS? They are not a TPA or a SAS vendor,
but they decide the qualifications and then certify them?
From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 11:14 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License
It would be like any certification, paperwork documents what, specifically
was certified, the mechanism and testing methodologies used, equipment used
for testing, environment it was tested in. Base it off the FCC hardware
certification.
Indemnification for the operator against faulty testing proce
There have been discussion at the WISPA board level regarding having a
for-profit entity that could do things like this. There were not a lot of good
ideas presented as to what the ‘for profit’ version of the organization would
do that wouldn’t end up stepping on the toes of the vendor and cons
network a colonoscopy.
From: AF On Behalf Of Mathew Howard
Sent: Wednesday, February 26, 2020 10:20 AM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry
It seems to me, that just about anybody with the proper knowledge could start a
service like that... you&#
Quite the opposite. You don't know what the customer did before you got
there and after you left. And even a "small" mistake could be a $50,000
problem. A consultant would be crazy to accept liability for FCC fines,
quite the opposite: You'd want them to sign an agreement indemnifying
you f
It seems to me, that just about anybody with the proper knowledge could
start a service like that... you'd basically just have to be willing/able
to take on the liability for any FCC fines that somebody got on a system
that you certified.
One downside to the FCC doing it, is that I think a lot of
Interesting idea.
On 2/26/2020 10:45 AM, Steve Jones wrote:
I always wished the FCC, or better yet, WISPA would offer a network
audit service. Just to come in and verify compliance. Tier one is just
looking at your configs, doesnt cost a huge amount, tier 2 they
actually do EIRP verification
Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry
So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN license
until 10/24/2022?
I do have these AP locations registered and will double check power is within
limits.
Thanks
Chris
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:32 AM Mark
If you're intending to keep operating that long, I would make sure all the
CPE locations are registered too.
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020 at 9:38 AM Chris Fabien wrote:
> So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN
> license until 10/24/2022?
> I do have these AP locations regist
I always wished the FCC, or better yet, WISPA would offer a network audit
service. Just to come in and verify compliance. Tier one is just looking at
your configs, doesnt cost a huge amount, tier 2 they actually do EIRP
verification and all that in the field for a bigger price. Id rather pay
some o
It 10/24/2022 is what your license says then yes, that is correct.
Mark
> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:37 AM, Chris Fabien wrote:
>
> So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN license
> until 10/24/2022?
> I do have these AP locations registered and will double check power
So sounds like consensus is we can continue to operate under the NN license
until 10/24/2022?
I do have these AP locations registered and will double check power is
within limits.
Thanks
Chris
On Wed, Feb 26, 2020, 10:32 AM Mark Radabaugh wrote:
> I would very much second that statement - make
For what it’s worth, I researched current FCC license records for Radio Service
NN and here is the number of licenses that expire by year:
2020969 Most of these on 4/17/2020
2021363
2022298
2023260
2024220
202583
20261
> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:31 AM, Mark Radabaug
I would very much second that statement - make sure you are following all the
rules for 90z going forward.
Mark
> On Feb 26, 2020, at 10:25 AM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
> Yeah, but tricky part is going to be stuff that's still operating legally
> under an unexpired license that the SAS can't ma
Yeah, but tricky part is going to be stuff that's still operating legally
under an unexpired license that the SAS can't manage. I think it would be
wise to make sure everything is properly registered and you're not doing
anything questionable if you plan to keep operating under the old rules
much b
I was told when I asked about examples being made that hopefully SAS will
sort things out on its own. If it goes outside of SAS being able to manage
an issue, such all illegal operators, particularly when more sensing
capability comes into play with SAS 2.0, you do not want to be the guy who
gets n
Yeah, I agree, they probably will make an example out of a few operators.
But I don't see any reason why they'd bother with somebody who still has a
valid license. They'll probably go after some guys that are blatantly
running some old Ubiquiti or WiMax gear after their license expires.
On Wed, Fe
imalFarm Microwave Users Group"
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 4:05:22 PM
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry
people are confusing grandfathered with expiry. The grandfather thing was a
deal you had to do to get the grandfather CBRS status. by the time most of us
realized, the dea
> On Feb 25, 2020, at 5:20 PM, Mathew Howard wrote:
>
>
> I would assume that if a CBRS operator puts up gear that you're interfering
> with, it's going to be handled pretty much the same way it was under the old
> rules (in other words, work it out with eachother, or shut up and live with
Yeah, I know... people keep talking about the grandfather status like it's
a big deal, but it really isn't. If CBRS had gone online a couple of years
ago, then yeah, it probably would have been, but it's not really going to
matter at this point.
I would assume that if a CBRS operator puts up gear
.com> pkr...@unwiredltd.com
From: AF On Behalf Of Steve Jones
Sent: Tuesday, February 25, 2020 2:05 PM
To: AnimalFarm Microwave Users Group
Subject: Re: [AFMUG] 3.65 NN License Expiry
people are confusing grandfathered with expiry. The grandfather thing was a
deal you had to do to get the
people are confusing grandfathered with expiry. The grandfather thing was a
deal you had to do to get the grandfather CBRS status. by the time most of
us realized, the deadline had passed. the expiration is just that, when
your license expires, it does NOT give you grandfather status in regard to
C
grandfathered status is pretty much irrelevant at this point anyway... if I
understand right, it goes away after April regardless of when your license
expires, and since CBRS is really just starting to get deployed now, it's
probably not going to make much difference to most people.
But yeah, the
No...
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020, 1:11 PM Eric Nielsen wrote:
> Did you register for grandfathered status before the deadline?
>
> On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 12:51 PM Chris Fabien wrote:
>
>> We have a little bit of old WiMax gear, PMP320 and Telrad. At some point
>> my understanding was we could operat
Did you register for grandfathered status before the deadline?
On Tue, Feb 25, 2020 at 12:51 PM Chris Fabien wrote:
> We have a little bit of old WiMax gear, PMP320 and Telrad. At some point
> my understanding was we could operate this until the expiry of our 10 year
> license. Has that changed
That is my understanding as well.
On 2/25/2020 12:50 PM, Chris Fabien wrote:
We have a little bit of old WiMax gear, PMP320 and Telrad. At some
point my understanding was we could operate this until the expiry of
our 10 year license. Has that changed now? We are not planning to
deploy anythin
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