Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-31 Thread Howard Coles
+1 on the challenge!! We were audited, and what a nightmare at first. They tried to charge us for boxes that had been retired, but were unlocked for legal restore reasons, they also tried to inflate the cost of clustered boxes and TDP setups. You only have to pay for cores on the ACTIVE nodes of

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-31 Thread Barnes, Kenny
Netbackup from Symantec would be TSM's major competitor. You could also look at CommVault. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of woodbm Sent: Wednesday, December 30, 2009 2:11 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: alternatives to TSM

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread Wanda Prather
If you have a lot of Windows clients, look at TSM's FASTBACK. It is also disk only, but I believe is cheaper than straight TSM. Does incremental-only, block-level backups. Might save you $$ and not be as drastic a conversion. You could keep your non-WIndows clients as they are. ALso consider i

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread Xav Paice
- "Len Boyle" wrote: > Not as full featured as the above products, has anyone been looking at > the open sourced products? > We use Bacula (http://www.bacula.org/) for the smaller customers (and internally) since it does all we need it to do - but note there's some major limitations in ca

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread John D. Schneider
Bryan, When you ask a TSM forum to recommend some alternative to TSM, that is sort of like asking a devoutly religious man to recommend some religion that is better than his. :-) What kind of answer do you really expect to get? One alternative to TSM that hasn't been mentioned yet is Avama

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread Len Boyle
Hello Bryan, This is an interesting topic. Here are several thoughts and questions. Licensing for NetBackup is also based on the class of the server and the class of the clients. The pricing keeps changing as some things that used to have a separate optional cost are merged into the base cos

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread Kelly Lipp
At least let IBM know you are thinking about jumping ship and that they need to help with the pricing on the new licenses or you are gone! You have the leverage at this point so you might as well use it to your advantage. Based on our many competitive situations along the way with our appliance

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread Richard Sims
This has been discussed many times, where you can search the List archives at http://www.mail-archive.com/adsm-l@vm.marist.edu/ and similar sites for key terms such as "netbackup" and "backup products" to review past explorations of the topic.

Re: alternatives to TSM due to license costs

2009-12-30 Thread Remco Post
On 30 dec 2009, at 20:11, woodbm wrote: > Hello all, > > I have been tasked with looking at alternatives to TSM due to recent Audit > from IBM and the amount of money we just shelled out for the TSM License. I > am sure most of you have pertaken to this wonderful experience. I don't > really