Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-06 Thread Len Boyle
Bill > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:34 PM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: LTO for long term archiving > > I truly doubt that archiving drives, servers and tapes for 25 years > each > time the technology updates will let you read the tapes because the > drive and s

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-06 Thread Len Boyle
ashdot.org/article.pl?sid=09/04/27/179205&art_pos=2 http://www.nytimes.com/2009/04/27/technology/business-computing/27disk.html?_r=1 -Original Message- From: Len Boyle Sent: Wednesday, May 06, 2009 4:49 PM To: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager Subject: RE: LTO for long term archiving Over ten y

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-06 Thread Kelly Lipp
digitized version in 2002 - 16 years later. You're trying for 25 years. Tom Kauffman NIBCO, Inc > -Original Message- > From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf > Of Evans, Bill > Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 5:34 PM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU &g

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-06 Thread Daniel Sparrman
able to read it, and there is probably not gonna be anyone around that was there when the app was written ;) Best Regards Daniel Sparrman From: "Kauffman, Tom" To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: 2009-05-06 15:37 Subject: Re: LTO for long term archiving Sent by: "ADSM: Dist Stor Manager&q

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-06 Thread Kauffman, Tom
May 05, 2009 5:34 PM > To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Subject: Re: LTO for long term archiving > > I truly doubt that archiving drives, servers and tapes for 25 years > each > time the technology updates will let you read the tapes because the > drive and server will probably not e

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Steven Harris
I agree with Bill. A few years ago I had to look at saving health data. Some of this was mandated to be kept literally forever as it fell under the State's Archive Act, more had to be kept for 70 years. Also surprisingly, some was not to be kept at all once its "operational" purpose had expired,

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Evans, Bill
I truly doubt that archiving drives, servers and tapes for 25 years each time the technology updates will let you read the tapes because the drive and server will probably not even boot up and run. You will have to update the data every two LTO cycles or so. LTO will read two generations back an

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Schneider, John
Your point is well-taken. It is easy to say that LTO4 media will be good for 30 years, but it would be crazy to put LTO4 tapes in a vault and, even under perfect storage conditions, expect to just pull them out and read them. Will anybody have LTO4 drives then? No way. Even if you kept a LTO4 t

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Kelly Lipp
I like the implication, but I'm pretty sure somebody actually thought being able to read the information would have been a good idea. Kelly Lipp CTO STORServer, Inc. 485-B Elkton Drive Colorado Springs, CO 80907 719-266-8777 x7105 www.storserver.com -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist S

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Remco Post
I do agree, having the tapedrives around _could_ be important. I know of at least one environment that was able to produce the media that stores the data, but no drives. But then again, they only had to retain the data, not the infra to access it. On May 5, 2009, at 22:35 , Kelly Lipp wrote: To

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Kelly Lipp
To me the problem is having the drives around and more importantly, the interfaces to the drives. I think that probably the best bet is to plan on "archiving" a TSM server with a drive along with the media periodically. Snap off the last database backup, restore it on the to be archived server

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Huebschman, George J.
Does anyone have 25 year old tape media or tape drives around? Will you stil be able to use LTOx media in 25 years? -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ads...@vm.marist.edu] On Behalf Of Thomas Denier Sent: Tuesday, May 05, 2009 4:11 PM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject

Re: LTO for long term archiving

2009-05-05 Thread Remco Post
On May 5, 2009, at 22:10 , Thomas Denier wrote: As far as I can tell, the most expensive part of such a configuration is the media, and LTO media will cost about a third as much as the most economical MagStar media (extended length 3592 volumes read and written with TS1130 drives). With th