Re: Isilon Backup

2013-01-07 Thread Skylar Thompson
We have about 130 million file versions in TSM's primary storage pools for our Isilon systems. Since we have a single offsite copy for these, the number of copies is twice that. We exclude substantial parts of the systems from backups as well, so the number of files on the Isilon systems themselve

Re: Isilon Backup

2013-01-07 Thread Allen S. Rout
On 01/07/2013 04:44 AM, Kirk S. wrote: > > Allan - would you be happy to give some idea of the size of your > Isilon setup? We're being asked about backing it up to tape now and > have a number of concerns. > It's early days; our actual current occupation is in the teens of terabytes. Our initial

Re: Isilon Backup

2013-01-07 Thread Kirk S.
Hi Skylar, Allan, Skylar - would I be right in thinking that you have 130 million files on your Isilon or did you mean you have 130 million files across all versions? May I also ask how many directories and user accounts are involved? Allan - would you be happy to give some idea of the size of

Re: Isilon Backup

2012-12-17 Thread Allen S. Rout
On 12/17/2012 02:42 PM, Huebner, Andy wrote: > Just general questions on Isilon backup. > How do you backup your Isilon, NDMP or CIFS/NFS? > NDMP FC to tape or Ethernet through the TSM server? > Our current state (in implementation now) is: + Default, short-term backup needs addressed by snapshot

Re: Isilon Backup

2012-12-17 Thread Skylar Thompson
We only backup via NFS (we have no ACLs so CIFS would be an unnecessary and huge performance hit). Here's what we've done: 1. Partitioned our data such that we can have a large number of filespaces that we backup separately (in hindsight, we might have wanted to go with separate nodes, but oh wel

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-14 Thread Paul Zarnowski
Allen, Thanks for your response. I did not include your option 0, because I was thinking "large file servers". Your point about option 0 being potentially more viable if metadata is kept on SSD is interesting. Does anyone have any first-hand experience with this that they can share? Option 4

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-14 Thread Allen S. Rout
On 02/13/2012 11:46 AM, Paul Zarnowski wrote: [...] I see the following major categorizations of how to protect (large) file servers effectively. Please feel free to comment on this, as I'm looking to refine my view. I should say that our "protection goal" would be to have a copy of data a

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-13 Thread Paul Zarnowski
At 01:48 PM 2/12/2012, Prather, Wanda wrote: >NAS devices are closed operating systems, so you can't install a TSM client on >them. Depends on what you define as a "NAS device". I believe (not positive) that SoNAS has an integrated TSM client in it. Some windows-based fileservers can use an o

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-12 Thread Grant Street
On 13/02/12 05:48, Prather, Wanda wrote: I don't have any personal experience with Isilon, so these answers are based on other experience with NDMP and filer devices: Can any of you provide real world backup times for full tree traversal backups to TSM using NDMP? I understand my mileage may

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-12 Thread Prather, Wanda
I don't have any personal experience with Isilon, so these answers are based on other experience with NDMP and filer devices: >>Can any of you provide real world backup times for full tree traversal >>backups to TSM using NDMP? I understand my mileage may vary depending on the >>data and it's

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-09 Thread Grant Street
Isilon is great usable storage that you can scale in any direction. It lives under the one Namespace and super easy to admin. For backup/restore... Isilon only provide NDMP or direct backup ala Cifs/NFS # NDMP in TSM is only full and differential. there is no incremental option. You need to purch

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-09 Thread Robert A. Clark
There was code around for a while, that compiled on Solaris, and could understand NetApp's (essentialy) ufsdump format. With this you could read an NDMP backup. Skip foward a few years: Avamar's NDMP accelerator (a Linux box running custom code) can take in an NDMP stream from a Celerra and ou

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-09 Thread Shawn Drew
Consider SONAS as well. supposedly good TSM integration. Regards, Shawn Shawn Drew Internet wprat...@icfi.com Sent by: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU 02/09/2012 04:09 PM Please respond to ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU To ADSM-L cc Subject Re: [ADSM-L] Isilon

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-09 Thread Prather, Wanda
If you are going to use a filer, EMC doesn't support backups of its NAS devices (that I have run into) except via NDMP dump. Netapp on the other hand (or IBM-branded N-series, which is still a Netapp) supports the -snapdiff api. I just helped a customer convert about 40 hours worth of NDMP dumps

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-06 Thread Allen S. Rout
On 02/02/2012 04:12 PM, Huebner,Andy,FORT WORTH,IT wrote: Anyone backup an Isilon array? Using 3592 tape drives? The sales guys say it is just NDMP. I am looking for just basic information (good, bad, Oh Smurf!). One may be in our future. We're contemplating such a device, too. In our pl

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-02 Thread Paul Zarnowski
We are looking at Isilon too, along with NetApp, BlueArc, and SoNAS. Backups are a real challenge as these get large in scale. Some observations: 1. NDMP requires periodic full backups. This generates a lot of backup traffic. If you're going over a long-haul network, this can be an issue. N

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-02 Thread Skylar Thompson
One thing I've mentioned to our Isilon sales rep several times is how sweet it would be if we could run a real BA client on the cluster. Given that OneFS on the backend is FreeBSD-based, it seems like this would at least be doable for IBM. Now that EMC owns Isilon, though, I have small hope of thi

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-02 Thread Grant Street
We tested the backup accelerators a few years ago (about 2 ) and they didn't fit our requirements. This was before they offered the Metadata on SSD. At that time they only supported a few tape drives for each accelerator and the bottle neck was getting the data out of the cluster. Because we don

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-02 Thread Skylar Thompson
We have a bunch of Isilon storage, and back it up using over NFS using TSM proxy nodes. Our data is easy to segregate into virtual mountpoints, though, which helps us get pretty good parallelism. I took one look at NDMP and have stayed well away from it because it simply doesn't scale. I have a f

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-02 Thread Shawn Drew
It is just NDMP, but you need to get the "backup accelerator" to do that. (It adds FC ports to the isilon and enables NDMP) Here is the isilon guide for this. http://www.isilon.com/library/configuration-guide-ndmp-ibm-tivoli-storage-manager-isilon I've just read about it, but haven't done it mys

Re: Isilon backup

2012-02-02 Thread Remco Post
for what it's worth, NDMP works with TSM, but that's it. NDMP is not the most advanced backup solution and the TSM implementation is not the most feature rich. I'd look into other solutions first before reverting to NDMP. On 2 feb. 2012, at 22:12, Huebner,Andy,FORT WORTH,IT wrote: > Anyone bac