Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Colwell, William F.
IBM supplies a perl script to measure the cost of dedup. See http://www-01.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg21596944 I just ran it in an instance with an 800 GB db, here are the final summary lines - Final Dedup and Database Impact Report --

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Dan Haufer
Yes, one of the two. If TSM deduplication is enabled and the target is a virtual tape, i doubt if the VTL can deduplicate anything from the write data. On Thu, 6/12/14, Ehresman,David E. wrote: Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM and VTL Deduplication To: AD

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Ehresman,David E.
Unless you have a specific requirement, I would suggest you choose either TSM dedup to disk or go straight to virtual tape. There is not usually a need to do both. David -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Haufer Sent: Thursd

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Dan Haufer
Thanks for all the answers. So SSDs (Looking at SSD caching) for the database storage and 10GB per TB of total backup data on the safer side. On Thu, 6/12/14, Erwann Simon wrote: Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM and VTL Deduplication To: ADSM-L@VM.MARI

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Erwann Simon
Hi, I'd rather say 6 to 10 times, or 10 GB of DB for each 1 TB of data (native, not deduped) stored. -- Best regards / Cordialement / مع تحياتي Erwann SIMON - Mail original - De: "Norman Gee" À: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Envoyé: Jeudi 12 Juin 2014 16:55:29 Objet: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM and VTL D

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Prather, Wanda
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Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Gee, Norman
Be prepare for your database size to double or triple if you are using TSM deduplication. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Prather, Wanda Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 7:15 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Subject: Re: TSM and VTL Ded

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Prather, Wanda
And if you are on the licensing-by-TB model, when it gets un-deduped (reduped, rehydrated, whatever), your costs go up! -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Haufer Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 9:48 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Su

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Dan Haufer
Understood. Thanks ! On Thu, 6/12/14, Ehresman,David E. wrote: Subject: Re: [ADSM-L] TSM and VTL Deduplication To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Date: Thursday, June 12, 2014, 5:33 AM If TSM moves data from a (disk) dedup pool to tape, TSM has to un-dedu

Re: include \ exclude

2014-06-12 Thread Stackwick, Stephen
And, I would add, change the "*.*" construct to a "*" pattern. The first only INCLUDEs files with a dot in the name, maybe not what you want. Most Windows files have a dot, but not all! STEPHEN STACKWICK | Senior Consultant | 301.518.6352 (m) | stephen.stackw...@icfi.com | icfi.com ICF INTERNA

Re: TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Ehresman,David E.
If TSM moves data from a (disk) dedup pool to tape, TSM has to un-dedup the data as it reads it and sends it to tape. -Original Message- From: ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU] On Behalf Of Dan Haufer Sent: Thursday, June 12, 2014 8:03 AM To: ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU Sub

TSM and VTL Deduplication

2014-06-12 Thread Dan Haufer
Greetings, We are trying to evaluate the possibility of introducing deduplication into our backups. Our initial deployment will be based on quadstor vtl http://www.quadstor.com/virtual-tape-library.html but at the same time we are trying to understand the TSM deduplication feature. Could anyon