FW: [ADSM-L] Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Kelly Lipp
Wanda, Thanks for your cogent analysis. Always appreciated. We're trying to decide if we need to offer a Data Domain sort of thing to our customers. In the very specific case you describe, perhaps. I am 100% with you on the "why replicate backup" when you can more easily replicate data?! We

TDP Oracle 5.4.1 ERROR

2007-08-29 Thread TSM User
Good afternoon. Somebody can help me? Gracias RMAN> run { 2> allocate channel oem_sbt_backup1 type 'SBT_TAPE' format '%U' parms 'ENV=(TDPO_OPTFILE=/opt/tivoli/tsm/client/oracle/bin64/tdpo.opt)'; backup incremental level 1 cumulative database; 3> 4> backup archivelog all not backed up; 5>

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Wanda Prather
Kelly, I have more than 1 customer considering a de-dup VTL product. It's true that for regular file systems, TSM doesn't redump unchanged files, so people aren't getting AS LARGE a reduction in data stored (of that type) as would a user of an old style full dump- incremental - incremental - full

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Paul Zarnowski
At 03:40 PM 8/29/2007, Kelly Lipp wrote: Help me get it because aside from the typical "I gotta have it because the trade rags tell me I gotta have it", I don't get it! Kelly, I think you are correct in that TSM already gives you some of the benefits that a more traditional backup product woul

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Charles A Hart
You're correct, in that there are products that can provide a more global repository. We used the Dilligent VTFOpen in a 2node cluster and achieved a 1200MBS write speed! Impressive, so if you don't need the de-dup the VtfOpen product really screams. In one of a few large Data Centers we see 25TB

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Kelly Lipp
I'd like to steer this around a bit. Our sales folks are saying they are losing TSM opportunities to de-dup vendors. What specific business problem are customers trying to solve with de-dup? I'm thinking the following: 1. Reduce the amount of disk/tape required to storage backups. Especially im

Re: Immortal sessions

2007-08-29 Thread Fred Johanson
It seems to be connected with a larger SAN issue. It looks like the SAN momentarily disconnects, the original backup session quits, and the control session doesn't know about the reconnected backup session. So I remain on the sidelines until the larger SAN issue is resolved. Fred Johanson TSM

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Curtis Preston
>As de-dup, from what I have read, compares across all files >on a "system" (server, disk storage or whatever), it seems >to me that this will be an enormous resource hog Exactly. To make sure everyone understands, the "system," is the intelligent disk target, not a host you're backing up. A de-

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Curtis Preston
De-dupe comes in two flavors: 1. Target de-dupe 2. Source de-dupe Target de-dupe is de-dupe inside a VTL/IDT (intelligent disk target). You send it regular TSM backups and it finds the duplicate data within it. A good vendor of this type should give you all the benefits of de-dupe without any per

Re: Looking for suggestions to speed up restore for a Windows server

2007-08-29 Thread Kelly Lipp
Whenever I've installed a STORServer at a customer site I've advocated the following: The next time a new piece of server hardware shows up in your site, steal it for a couple of weeks. Use it as a test bed. Try some restores, try some backups, get to know your environment. Customers always wan

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Curtis Preston
First, I would say the only thing that this post says is the Diligent had a better de-dupe ratio with this customer's data -- not that Diligent's de-dupe is better overall. The different vendors use VERY DIFFERENT ways to scan the incoming data and identify redundant pieces of data. Those differ

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Charles A Hart
The compression challenge is more related to creating unique backup objects that can not be de-duped. Compression does cause a CPU performance hit on the client. Performace related experience with Dilkligent Protectier running on a Sunv40 with 4xDaul Core Procs and 32GB memory we see a max of 250

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread David Longo
I have been hearing bits and pieces about this de-dup thing. Several things have me wondering , as folks on this list also testify. One thing I haven't heard about is performance. Even with TSM clients,there is the thing not do "compression" on the client due to performance issues. That is just

Re: Data Deduplication

2007-08-29 Thread Paul Zarnowski
Any idea why Diligent's dedup ratio is better? What's different about the dedup algorithm that makes it work better? At 06:29 PM 8/28/2007, Curtis Preston wrote: That sounds about right. Data Domain's a good product with a lot of happy customers, but TSM customers who are only backing up file

Re: Looking for suggestions to speed up restore for a Windows server

2007-08-29 Thread Kauffman, Tom
I'm just looking at the image backup now. This may well be the way to go. Would you believe -- we are JUST getting a Windows test environment set up here. We've had several rounds of admins who couldn't see the value and weren't interested in doing the work, just to have a test-bed. Current staff

Re: Looking for suggestions to speed up restore for a Windows server

2007-08-29 Thread Wanda Prather
Always test first, but: 1) Since the 5.3 (or maybe it was 5.2, don't remember) Windows client, you can do online image backups. The MS VSS facility (if it's having a good day) is used to snapshot the volume. 2) I don't think there is a problem with restoring an image to a different host, if you

Re: Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread CAYE PIERRE
Thanks everybody for your advices ! The purpose is to backup virtual machine with large disk space and databases. The backup window is very short (when there is backup window) ; some virtual machine will be running on 24/7 basis. First I thought, classicly, to install nodes, tdp and so on virtua

Re: Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread Rejean Larivee
Hello, I would suggest you review an excellent Tivoli Field Guide titled "Using IBM Tivoli Storage Manager for Backup and Restore on the VMware Service Console" which is available on our support pages at below url : http://www-1.ibm.com/support/docview.wss?uid=swg27009931 It discusses such backup

Re: Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread Stef Coene
On Wednesday 29 August 2007, Wojtek Pięcek wrote: > > For backup of the vmdk files, I adapted my custom script for ESC 2.x to > > 3.x (in stead of redo logs you have to snapshot) so I can online backup > > the vmdk files. Works flawless. > > For a all-in-one backup script, google for vmbk. > > Why

Re: Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread Wojtek Pięcek
On 8/29/07, Stef Coene <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Wednesday 29 August 2007, Richard van Denzel wrote: > > Hello Pierre, > > > > It depends on wether your ESX Server will be 2.x or 3.x. > > The consolidated backup is for 2.x only. On ESX 3.x servers the way VM's > > are deployed is completely c

Re: Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread Stef Coene
On Wednesday 29 August 2007, Richard van Denzel wrote: > Hello Pierre, > > It depends on wether your ESX Server will be 2.x or 3.x. > The consolidated backup is for 2.x only. On ESX 3.x servers the way VM's > are deployed is completely changed and there is AFAIK no way to backup > the VMDK files. I

Re: Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread Richard van Denzel
Hello Pierre, It depends on wether your ESX Server will be 2.x or 3.x. The consolidated backup is for 2.x only. On ESX 3.x servers the way VM's are deployed is completely changed and there is AFAIK no way to backup the VMDK files. Met vriendelijke groet, with kind regards, Richard van Denzel. -

Backup on VMWARE ESX

2007-08-29 Thread CAYE PIERRE
Hello, I am studying solutions for backup of a future installation of windows guest on VMWARE ESX. What are the best practices ? Context : 1 VMWARE ESX Host Up to 6 windows 2003 with up to 6 To GigaEthernet Some of the guests will manage large databases. I saw that VMWARE consolidated backup ca

Re: delete volhist dbb

2007-08-29 Thread CAYE PIERRE
What is the output of command q volh t=dbb please ? > -Message d'origine- > De : ADSM: Dist Stor Manager [mailto:[EMAIL PROTECTED] De > la part de Gill, Geoffrey L. > Envoyé : mardi 28 août 2007 17:34 > À : ADSM-L@VM.MARIST.EDU > Objet : Re: [ADSM-L] delete volhist dbb > > > The switch