On Wed, Aug 17, 2005 at 03:45:23PM -0500, Scott Grover wrote:
> I have TDP 64 bit for Oracle AIX 5.2.0 running on an AIX 5.2 client
> with
> both Oracle 8.1.7 and 9.2.0. SHOWENV shows my configurations for both oracle
I assume you have 64 bit Oracle 9, and 32 bit Oracle 8.1.7. (Oracle 8
On Aug 17, 2005, at 3:39 PM, Joni Moyer wrote:
... Would you happen to know if there is a max. size for a
volume? ...
See IBM Technote 1170255.
Richard Sims
Trimark
there is no best practice for creating
a backup set for windows or NetWare. I guess you know how to make them,
but how frequiently and on witch media is entirely based on case by case
basis. it´s kinda like asking what your favorate color is, it varies form
administrator to administrator
Joni,
If you read Ben Bullock's recent posting, I agree with everything he has
said. I would definitely use raw disk volumes (in a Unix world).
Leigh
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Ben is absulutly correct here in my
oppinion, raw volumes are beter.
Even though aix has the best I/O perfomance
is not as good as raw volumes.
you need be a good AIX administrator
to tune the filesystem to be as good as raw. I do alsow agree with Ben
on to take earch LUN a volume and to put them
Hi all,
I have TDP 64 bit for Oracle AIX 5.2.0 running on an AIX 5.2 client with
both Oracle 8.1.7 and 9.2.0. SHOWENV shows my configurations for both oracle
instances to be OK (separate DSM.opt and TDPO.opt files), but after relinking
the 8.1.7 libobk.a , Oracle will not start as follows:
This is a little off the topic of your question, but we don't
have our TSM server on a SATA SAN, just on SSA drives, so I'm not sure
what the best ways.
I see you are making all those luns into 1 LV, putting a
filesystem on that vol and then putting it in the storage pool.
100 x 50 = 5,000GB ~ 50.
Our disk based storage pools are based on 16GB volumes.
I would not think there would be a maximum size. The only
consideration would be to make them of a size sufficient to
give you more flexibility in allocating them to multiple storage
pools.
Our NT archive pool is sm
-PRESCHEDULECMD and -POSTSCHEDULECMD can also be passed through the
schedule definition on the server. And the command that executes on the
client can be scripts that do whatever the scripts are capable of,
depending on the OS and the scripting language used, which means that the
scripts can contai
Lawrence,
What size TSM storage pool volumes do you create? Would you happen to know
if there is a max. size for a volume? My one disk pool will be several
hundred GB, but I didn't want to have too many volumes within it, but maybe
it would be better to create about 100-50GB storage pool volumes
yes, you can have more than one tsm volume per physical volume.
the smaller the allocation, the more volumes, which gives to
flexibility to
assign them per the needs of the storage pool rather than simply give
two to each.
we just define them to a storage group per demand.
but once define and al
Hi Leigh,
I have just added EMC fibre channel disk from a CX700 in the following
pieces of physical disk under the filesystem /tsmdev/stgpool1
CHRS044 /tsmdev/stgpool1
lun 175 100 GB
lun 178 100 GB
lun 181 100 GB
lun 184 100 GB
lun 187 100 GB
Hello,
I have just added fibre channel disk to our one AIX server. Here are the
LUN's that were added to filesystem /tsmdev/stgpool1
CHRS044 /tsmdev/stgpool1
lun 175 100 GB
lun 178 100 GB
lun 181 100 GB
lun 184 100 GB
lun 187 100 GB
lun 190
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Is there a way to run different commands before and after different schedules
on the same client? Also, it is possible for the commands to be conditionally
based on certain criteria ?
1. You would have to employ separate option
Hi,
Is there a way to run different commands before and after different schedules
on the same client? Also, it is possible for the commands to be conditionally
based on certain criteria ?
Rich
That makes sense. So if we have SATA disk RAID-3 disk, and the disk is
being pulled onto the AIX server by using volume manager and placing the
LUN's within a single volume group, then how would I need to configure the
TSM volumes for maximum performance? Is it 1 LUN per 1 TSM volume? Is
there a
Thanks for the input, Ben.
All of our database data goes to tape. My main concern, with
resourceutilization and collocation, is that we're not shooting ourselves
in the foot by using both.
I've decide to shut the database down before doing the back up, when we
start the back up early. Hopefully,
Not at present. Tivoli support has said that there should be one available in
September, but of course there is no guarantee of that.
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Depends on the OS. If you are running Linux, you can install the 32-bit
client. If it's running windows, you are out of luck for a couple of
months. See the archives for other threads just today about this issue.
Ben
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We actually get a similar error on a few of our TSM servers with a
"phantom storagepool". I don't how to get rid of the error, but since it
has never seemed to cause any problems, or errors in the expire
inventory, I have not pursued it.
If you find an answer, I'd love to hear it.
Ben
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Does a TSM Client exist for they Opteron 64 bits???
We have just upgraded our MVS ZOS TSM Server from 5.1xx to 5.2.2. After getting errors in the Expiration process, I've followed a trail back to starting the TSM Server up during the IPL when we upgraded to ZOS. Unlike the old days :~) now we only IPL when there is a major upgrade or for dayl
Joni
Yes Reed is correct there.
This is only one of 3 problems, your raid configuration on your sata
disks. the size of your TSM attrigates. or the placements of diskvolumes
versus the accual phicial disks. for instance if you have more than 2
volumes per phicial disk and you are doing backup
I'm not sure with the varyoff, but I typically make it
access=readonly, do a "move data" on the volume, which will move it to
another volume in the storagepool, and then delete the volume if you are
doing a reorg of your disks.
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NO, do it this way:
1) UPDATE the volume to READONLY.
2) MOVE DATA on the volume. TSm will shuffle the data off to another
volume in the same storage pool.
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Hello All!
If I vary a volume offline can I then move the data off of that volume to a
volume in the same storage pool that is online? Thanks!
Joni Moyer
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Ok so you have the maxscratch setting correct.
Have to checked/labeled the tapes into the TSM server?
Do a "q libvol" on the TSM server and see what scratch/private
tapes listed. If there are none in the status of Scratch, that would be
the issue.
When you
Joni
what size do you have on your tsm attrigates? the smaller you have them
the slower the migration process is going to take, alsow do you have
collocation on the storage pools you are migratig to if you do it is going
to take logner to migrate. Have you found out where the bollteneck is on
Joni
I missed the URL off the last post, so firstly, here it is
http://www.redbooks.ibm.com/redbooks/pdfs/sg246638.pdf
I don't think that there is a maximum number of volumes that can be
configured in a primary storagepool with a devclass of disk and random.
We have 25 volumes that are 35GB each
Ok Aaron
you can find the sofware on this ftp
site to download for free
ftp://service.boulder.ibm.com/storage/tivoli-storage-management/maintenance/server/v5r3/
you can then setup your tsm server and
configure it, and when you revicve the accual cd´s you only need to replace
one file to make it
Hi Andy,
I've changed the thresholds to hi=50 lo=40 for the larger disk pools that
are over 600GB. I also empty them out once a day by changing the
thresholds to hi=0 lo=0. My current problem is that the SATA disk isn't
reading fast enough and writing to our tapes quick enough. I usually empty
Debbie,
We find that problem with the resourceutilization/collocation
from time to time. Most nights, all the threads from one host are going
to the diskpool, so they all run at the same time with no problems. The
times we end up in the situation you describe is:
- When the
TSM has had this support since version 5.1.6.
Regards,
Andy
Andy Raibeck
IBM Software Group
Tivoli Storage Manager Client Development
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The only dumb question is the one that goes unasked.
The comman
Dear All,
I have installed TSM 5.2.0, installed patch 5.2.2.5 and implemented maintenace
release 5.2.3.0 on Windows 2003. The Tape library is 3582 and 2 Ultrium II
drives.I have barcode reader as well.
ANR1405W appeaars whereas my there are scratch volumes availble and
maxscratch=500 for LTOP
The max mount points is 10, that's the number of tape drives we have...
This is the first time we've done a hot backup during the afternoon.
Hopefully, taking the database down this afternoon will give us better
preformance.
Thanks for your help,
Debbie
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The last I heard the systemstate and system object was not suported by TSM on
win 2K3 servers. Is this still the state and if so has anyone heard a date when
it will be?
Thanks,
Andrew
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Hi Joni,
I notice your high migration threshold is 70 and low migration threshold
is 60. Such a narrow threshold width could cause problems, since migration
will taper off once the utilization drops below 60%. This means that more
than half the pool is left populated with otherwise migratable data
Hi Leigh,
I have brought in 1TB of SATA disk for random disk storage pools. Would
you happen to know if there is a maximum number of volumes that can be
defined per storage pool? If I have a disk pool that is 800GB, how many
volumes should I have defined? What should the max. size of each volum
What is the best practice for the creation of backup sets for Windows and
NetWare?
thanks in advance
Debbie,
What is the maxnummp value for this node ? You should not get such a
problem if your client has enough mount points ...
Concerning the variable duration for your oracle DB backup, I believe
it's simply due to the activity on this DB : few people using it at
night = most of the cpu availab
The simple task you describe below can be done with a TSM administrative
command script, doesn't matter what platform.
Look in your TSm server install directory for the file script.smp
(sample TSM scripts).
Look at the sample script BKUP_STG_DB; that shows how to check the
return code to serialize
Joni
The following URL is to the TSM V5.3 Technical Guide Redbook.
If you go to section 3.4.6, it discusses some changes in TSM 5.3 that
lend themselves to 'disk only backups'
Obviously, if you're not at 5.3 yet, then they may not be of use to you.
I personally would consider SATA disk as a poss
Is there any benefit to having the resourceutilization parameter set to 5
when the backup is collocated? The other sessions go into media wait
status, waiting on a tape that one of the other sessions is using. Does
this cause contention, slowing the server down?
Also, I have another question. I'm
I'm not familiar with what type of disks/controllers your array uses, but if
possible, use newer SATA2 equipment. It has support for native command
queuing, which helps random access a lot. It's exactly why scsi disks are good
for it, although scsi firmware tends to have deeper queues (which i
Thanks for the info. Mark!
Would anyone happen to know of any good papers on SATA disk and the
ramifications/performance issues with it? Thanks again!
Joni Moyer
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Thanks Mark.
Bill
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I believe that's an Opt
You can use SATA disk in a random-access pool, but you're going to get
performance hits because of the very nature of the disk.
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I believe that's an Opteron, and the current 64-bit client won't install on
that, either.
My understanding from Tivoli (and of course this is not an obligation upon any
party) is that we should see a Xeon-compatible 64-bit client "in September".
The Opteron, I'm not sure.
--
Mark Stapleton (
I am looking for someone who is performing TSM NDMP Celerra backups, who
can answer lots of questions (we have never done this before and after
reading the TSM admin quicky guide on how to do this, are still confused),
about the setup/backup/restore process.
We want to integrate this with our exis
Hi all
I know that its a lot easier to use scripts on a AIX TSM server but ..
is there anyone using scripts on a WIN2000 TSM server
scripts to be able to starts schedule (backup storage pool diskpool, then
if successful starts the backup storage pool tapepool)
any documentation ??? or exemple .
Mark,
I have not yet visted the client , but when connecting to the clients C
drive,
I can see a directory AMD64.
Which group does AMD fall in ?
Thanks
Bill
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Hi Mark,
If it's strength is within sequential access, is there anything that I can
do with the SATA disk at this point in time? Are there parameter changes
or different configuration usage that I can do in order to still utilize
the SATA disk as the disk storage pool? Or am I out of luck? Than
Nor will any TSM client install on an Opteron/WIN combination.
Ben
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What kind of
What kind of processor(s) are in the client? If they're Itanium, you're in good
shape. If they are Xeons, be aware that the currently available 64-bit Windows
TSM client will not install on Xeon-based chips.
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Remember that SATA disk has relatively crummy performance when you use random
access to it; SATA's strength lies in sequential access.
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Hi,
I have been asked to backup an XP Sp1- x86 processors- client.
The installation READ1st.TXT file for WIN 64 Client V5.2.4 contains the
following:-
- Windows XP 64 bit TSM Backup Archive GUI
On Windows XP 64 bit with SP1 applied, the TSM Backup Archive GUI
(dsm.exe) will fail to l
Hi Mark,
I haven't moved to file-based disk pools yet... It was a suggestion I had
read in a manual. When it states I thread/volume is it referring to the
volume defined within TSM or the physical disk volume? Here is my device
class definition that I use for the storage pools:
Device Class
Ah, there's the problem.
When you go to file-based disk pools, your migration threads are limited to 1.
This is a great shock to those who are used to moving three or four threads at
a go.
TSM 5.3 is supposed to allow for multiple migration threads. That might be your
only hope.
--
Mark St
Hi Michael,
I've looked at my storage pools and they are defined with caching turned
off. This is EMC SATA disk that I have just defined, so I am wondering if
that is my bottleneck at this point. Thanks for the suggestion!
Joni Moyer
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Hi Richard,
My device class for the storage pools is DISK and I have read that it is
better to use a device type of FILE when using ATA disk. Is this true and
if so, how can I correct this? Our disk is EMC ATA Raid-3. We thought to
get cheap disk as a landing spot for our backups and then do a
Hi Joni,
Have a look to your storagepool definition with "q stg f=d"
Migration Processes: 4
Next Storage Pool: WP_AZV01
Reclaim Storage Pool:
Maximum Size Threshold: 500 M
Access: Read/Write
Description: dp
I kinda had the same issues, only 6 tape drives & 250Gb of diskpool
space and a lot of servers to backup.
What I did, which works for us, is all the Exchange & SQL jobs go direct
to tape, they're the biggest in terms of Gb, the rest are staggered to
diskpool.
The Big Exch & SQL jobs are allowed 2 m
Joni,
Looks like you were unlucky and got hit by some extra large backups, which
filled up your disk pool faster than it could be emptied
I assume this is what caused a lot of backups to be delayed, by media
wair.
In truth it does sound as if you need more or faster tape drives.
That aside what I
Hello Everyone!
How do you know if caching is turned on? How/where can you turn it off? I
am having lousy migration speed perfomance as well. What can I look
at/change? I have an AIX 5.2 server at TSM 5.2.4.0 with LTO2 tape drives
attached. Thanks!
Joni Moyer
>We back up around 220 Gb of data to the disk pool overnight, then migrate
>(with caching on) to cartridge in the morning.
>
I assume you mean TSM storage pool caching rather than 3390 caching. If so,
I'd turn off caching for a day and see if that makes a difference. It is my
understanding th
Anybody using Tivoli to backup a "Progress" database?
Does it work? Are there any known issues/problems?
Many Thanks,
=Adrian=
Hello Everyone!
Due to our tape drive shortage I have added a tremendous amount of disk to
hold the data for 24 hours. It appears as if now it is taking a very long
time for the disk pools to migrate to tape and processes are still backing
up and causing contention with backups of the client data
Jim
The fact that you say other (non-TSM) backup jobs to the tapes have not
degraded and also large TDP backups are not affected, seems to rule out
the tape performance completely. I don't know anything about the model
of disk that you mentioned, but is it a SAN and does the diskpool share
the dis
Hi there...
I hope someone can offer some help with the following problem..
ServerTivoli Storage Manager for MVS V5 R2 L2.0
84 clients - mixture of Windows, Netware, AIX, Lotus Notes, Solaris.
Disk Pool IBM 3390-3 Mainframe Disks
Tape Pool IBM 3590-E Magstar x4 2x fibe channe
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