line.
But now that I experiment, I find that I have a problem with nfactotum:
term% auth/factotum -D
<-5- Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
-5-> Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000'
<-5- Tauth tag 42 afid 706 uname sl aname
-5-> Rerror tag 42 e
> So what's this fork I'm hearing about?
http://9front.org/img/nofork.png
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I'm running Inferno (latest hg from the google code site) on machines
running Ubuntu 10.04 (64-bit), 11.04 (64-bit), and 11.10 (32-bit) (sounds
crazy but I need various Linux versions to support crappy dev environments
sensitive to this kind of stuff).
I can share "emu"s from
> I believe sl wrote a program that lets you group windows onto
> function keys
Specifically, taruti hacked rio to map certain windows to a tag
(similar to dwm) by writing stings to /dev/wctl, then switch between
the tags by hitting a function key, which brings all the windows in
the given
> sl wrote:
>> http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/rio/img/tagfour.png
>
> Wow, I didn't know linuxemu got so good.
Ah. I left this one out of my description:
spread
tag four
vncv connected to a headless openbsd machine
The available mroot for linuxe
> https://docs.google.com/open?id=0B1QVUS-qAuuienlTMHdRYkFzSHM
Could this be presented in a format accessible to Plan 9 users?
-sl
> But thanks for your criticism. Next time, trying to be helpful would
> be nice.
But how do Plan 9 users access this chart?
-sl
>> But how do Plan 9 users access this chart?
>
> hget -o acme_chords.pdf
> 'https://doc-0o-3g-docs.googleusercontent.com/docs/securesc/ha0ro937gcuc7l7deffksulhg5h7mbp1/pub48giqvrap6he53h3mtl8q9g5nlvid/133536960/05011244667098227595/*/0B1QVUS-qAuuienlTMHdRYkFzSHM'
Thank you.
-sl
t N/A micin ?
pin 22 out nothing int special cd ?
pin 23 in nothing int top micin ?
pin 24 in nothing int top micin ?
pin 26 in fix int rear other black
pin 27 out jack sep rear spdifout black
pin 28 out jack sep rear micin red
% cat '#'A/volume
master 100 100
speed 44100
delay 882
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-sl
PC24E-H-FC works, but exhibits abysmal performance.
Other WaveLAN PCMCIA cards I've tried have not worked at all. I'm
not certain if this owes to incompatibility or faulty hardware.
It's also possible that support for the specific PCMCIA controllers
in my various laptops is buggy.
-sl
> What do you think the compatibility of getting an Actiontech
> 800MiP card and using it in an X60?
ThinkWiki says the X60 is Mini PCI Express, not Mini PCI.
Unfortunately, the cards are not compatible. You could try
to acquire a WaveLAN PC24E-H-FC.
-sl
> Also, all I can find on ebay is the 802MiP which looks to be
> a wifi/modem combo. Any idea if this is compatible with the
> 800MiP?
No idea.
-sl
Another possibility for wifi would be something like the
VAP11G wifi bridge dongle. These are small devices that
bridge an Ethernet port to wifi. Note: I've never actually
used one.
-sl
http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet
-sl
> > http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/Category:X61_Tablet
>
> I've got one of those with the 1400x1050 display, it runs Plan 9 well,
> looks great, and has a fantastic screen.
Nice!
-sl
> > ThinkWiki says the X60 is Mini PCI Express, not Mini PCI.
>
> mhm, isn't mini pci express the newer smaller slot? I have an X60 and
> it has the old large slot which I think is called PCMCIA
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Mini_PCI#Mini_PCI
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pcmcia
-sl
EthanG will be disciplined.
-sl
setting *msi=1
On the Thinkpad T61, the hard drive is sometimes not detected on the
first attempt. After thirty seconds or so it usually succeeds and
boots as normal.
-sl
t attempted to debug
the problem beyond simply observing what happens when I try to boot the
machine. IIRC there was no such trouble when running in legacy IDE mode.
-sl
nd its Ethernet
port at the same time.
By the way, do you happen to know which iso you used for the installation?
-sl
andard mail tools.
-sl
> i wonder why such an (important) non-existing feature is falsely advertised
We've moved on now to a more modern approach.
-sl
In my experience nupas was definitely nicer to use with gmail.
With the old upas, loading the inbox over a slow connection
would sometimes take several minutes. With nupas, it usually
took only a few seconds.
-sl
> P.S. The Popular Front is not affiliated with 9 People's Front (9front
> -- which by-the-way is less than 9 people).
Splitters!
-sl
> the *mp=400 line should be on the top right before *mp0= ... sorry
> about that. (9boot quirk :-))
Works on my T61.
-sl
=vesa
vgasize=1280x800x32
*msi=1
user=sl
*mp=400
*mp0=00 00 14 03 fb 06 00 00 ff fb eb bf 00 00 00 00
*mp1=00 00 00 00 00 01 14 01 fb 06 00 00 ff fb eb bf
*mp2=00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 01 00 50 43 49 20 20 20
*mp3=01 03 50 43 49 20 20 20 01 15 50 43 49 20 20 20
*mp4=01 16 49 53 41 20 20 20 02 02
cat /env/hi
hi
test
term% wc -l /env/hi
0 /env/hi
-sl
The confusing part to me is why >[2] or >[3] or >[4]
(and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
-sl
ut then why:
term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/hi
test
Where is the 'echo hi' going?
-sl
> I think this conversation has successfully hinted that a benign
> dictator would eventually be compelled to adopt more ruthless measures.
See /lib/theo.
-sl
pe=wavelan essid=MESH crypt=off station=x61 irq=11
-sl
he
> > non-working one could just be dead. Or, it could have subtly
> > different hardware on the inside. Who knows?
>
> One good way to know would be to look at the PCI device IDs.
True, and now that I've taken possession of the IBM card
I can check these things.
-sl
> Is it possible to copy/paste in mothra?
No. But it does have moth mode.
-sl
> I'd leave it alone.
This.
-sl
> Vera (I think from your contrib) works very well for me, I find that
> it looks good and has good enough coverage for all my uses.
I loved vera until I switched from drawterm to native. Lately,
lucidasans is very comfortable.
-sl
>> I loved vera until I switched from drawterm to native. Lately,
>> lucidasans is very comfortable.
>
> why would native make a difference?
In native, I no longer benefit from X11's rendering. Here, blurry
fonts look blurry.
-sl
that's precisely the problem: I sees what I sees.
Note: I don't really understand the way graphics are put on screen in either
operating system.
-sl
Primarily DVI, but also observed with VGA.
LCD screens, in all cases.
-sl
> anyway, a meld of Rc shell and mk? crazy idea.
What was mash?
-sl
> Does anyone know what happened?
After suffering for some time, Uriel took his own life.
-sl
> From: Theo de Raadt
> Sender: owner-m...@openbsd.org
>
>> http://www.raspberrypi.org/archives/2221
>
> Well, they are lying to everyone.
>
> Their "open source" is nothing but a layer of code which calls into a
> closed source back-end.
I have an incomplete mirror of 9fans here:
http://plan9.stanleylieber.com/archive
-sl
> I also tried the stormfront image which gave no problems.
This seems unlikely.
-sl
> http://ninetimes.cat-v.org/news/
>
> in these releases 9front there are customizations to the system or
> just added firmware and patches?
It's a fork.
-sl
aygrounds instead of helping to make Plan 9 better for
> everyone.
So far as I know the only projects not sharing all their source
code are semi-official ones.
-sl
I can see a use for this in re-inserting broken mounts
higher up in the proc tree.
-sl
computers. For some of us, for the tasks we
are performing, we just don't need all this modern crap
that seems to have broken everyone else's heart.
-sl
> And how do you manage to browser the web?
9front did some work on mothra. For trivial javascript
I try charon (which was sufficient to configure my wifi
router). As a last resort I VNC to another operating
system.
For the vast majority of what I do, mothra is sufficient.
-sl
and the observed progression of
technology.
-sl
15137/img/1364299588.jpg
-sl
> but i really like mothra. It's so pure. You just gotta love it. The 9front
> guys did a really good job with it.
To be clear:
Tom Duff created mothra. We made some alterations.
-sl
NO STRINGS ATTACHED
.
In addition, a new utility has been created to handle
authentication and key exchange with WPA/WPA2
protected wireless networks:
http://man.aiju.de/8/wpa
As always, testing and trouble reports are appreciated.
-sl
/5780 NeXtreme Gigabit (vid/did: 14e4/167b)
-sl
troubleshooting
First
* STATE YOUR ASSUMPTIONS.
* cat /etc/os-release to verify you are not, in fact, running Ubuntu Linux with
a
Plan 9 theme.
* Try the latest ISO image.
-sl
quot; changes nothing. You can
debate with the Grand Canyon for hours, but when you walk off the
cliff you're still going to plummet to the ground.
http://img.stanleylieber.com/src/15358/img/1370274020.jpg
-sl
quot; changes nothing. You can
debate with the Grand Canyon for hours, but when you walk off the
cliff you're still going to plummet to the ground.
http://img.stanleylieber.com/src/15358/img/1370274020.jpg
-sl
> No doubt, but you then do then *exactly* the same thing with cwfs.
Certainly. And we're back at square one. Everyone has their own story
about how they lost data.
-sl
have reports of people losing data on every single
one of them.
I had problems with fossil. Like you, I never had problems with
(cw)fs. Charles had problems with fs. I don't think we've refuted
any claims about relative stability or even established a scale
to measure with.
-sl
em
to get lost in these words and chase the same rhetorical shadows
endlessly:
- Someone complains about fossil screwing up
- Someone says, "no it doesn't"
- Out come more anecdotes
- Attempts at making clever comments are made
- Discussion peters out (again)
We're all really clever but people keep experiencing data loss.
-sl
I don't think I was that unclear.
I am however losing track of who is defending what.
I'll stop attempting to moderate.
-sl
I don't think I was that unclear.
I am however losing track of who is defending what.
I'll stop attempting to moderate.
-sl
> all i see from you are pronouncements. show us your code.
That's how this all started.
-sl
> 9front.iso - never gave me an option to run from cd or install, it
> just started launching itself.
> Several screens of info and it stop on this line:
> bootargs is (tcp, il, local!device)[local!dev/sdD0/data] _
> <blinking cursor, doa!
Press enter.
-sl
Or ftpfs. Or, there is an sftpfs in contrib.
sl
This is from a Thinkpad T43p:
term% sysinfo | grep cpu0
cpu0: 1995MHz GenuineIntel P6 (cpuid: AX 0x06D8 CX 0x0180 DX 0xAFE9FBFF)
term% 9fs sources
post...
term% /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/locktest/doalltests
P6 1996
1
0.25u 0.82s 3.04r8.lpingpong
0.22u 2.37s 5.54r8.sempingpong
0.
> if you are reading this you are committing a crime
This is a public mailing list.
sl
> still a bit pixilated
1 bit fonts are legible. this is a feature.
sl
> Those look like mine. Obviously it is highly usable, but the fonts shown
> are pixilated and not smooth like fonts that come with the Mac, Linux, etc.
It's a matter of taste, but I prefer the sharpness of the 1 bit fonts. The gray,
fuzzy stuff eventually takes a toll on my eyes.
sl
>> It's a matter of taste, but I prefer the sharpness of the 1 bit fonts. The
>> gray,
>> fuzzy stuff eventually takes a toll on my eyes.
>
> s/taste/eyesight/, perhaps?
Perhaps, but I like to think differences of opinion don't necessarily
indicate physical disability.
sl
nicode.9.font is welcome simply because the runes are
large enough to distinguish on screen.
Rob planned for the future.
sl
> Just a newbie's (with 35 years experience) perception.
It sounds like you're saying that you came on the scene around
the time UNIX diverged from sanity and devolved into madness.
sl
> The above echo command did nothing to the /adm/users file for me on
> vanilla 9front.
Has anyone verified that he's even running cwfs?
sl
ign philosophy and was
adopted by progressively larger communities, finally becoming something
of a global standard, where it still enjoys great popularity.
What remains of UNIX is sometimes difficult to recognize.
http://harmful.cat-v.org/cat-v
sl
false premise that it makes
sense to treat each new airing of a bad idea as if it were the first expression
of a potential breakthrough. Limited resources are quickly consumed by public
relations. Projects that have produced material of value typically eschew these
exercises in favor of doing the real work.
sl
[0] The UNIX Programming Environment, by Brian W. Kernighan and Rob Pike
You could put your long command line into a shell script
that takes no arguments and run that shell script from
acme's tag.
sl
> you can't read it at all in page(1)
how can we attract more plan 9 users to iwp9?
sl
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but how do we transmit deep knowledge of
strange computing concepts that experience
teaches are rarely happily received (new users
always know better, and/or demand their favorite
tools) without inducing the candidate to read?
sl
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. these pages are the result of that effort.
for various reasons i don't fully understand myself, 9front-specific
questions are usually better received on the 9front mailing list.
caveat emptor,
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