running vanilla 2.6.25 kernel, on a gentoo system.
Thank you for helping debug this problem, is there any more info I can give to
help this process?
John
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 08:38:56 -0700
"ron minnich" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> this is weird. So, to recap, your timezone
yep, i get exactly the same:
plan9:
% date
Thu Aug 28 23:40:17 CET 2008
Linux host:
$ date
Thu Aug 28 20:06:02 CEST 2008
even the time difference seems to be the same. strange!
rgds
John
On Thu, 28 Aug 2008 12:24:32 -0500
"Alex Lee" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Thu, Aug 2
9fans.net is unreachable from Riyadh.. but then again a lot of places are
unreacable from Riyadh. :(
John
On Tue, Sep 9, 2008 at 7:19 PM, Lorenzo Fernando Bivens de la Fuente <
[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> google should be enough...
>
> http://9fans.net should be the result
I will wear one of my wife's angora sweaters in commemoration of this great
man's birthday.
On Fri, Oct 10, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Chad Dougherty <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> (posthumous birthday, unfortunately)
>
> BornEdward Davis Wood
> October 10, 1924(1924-10-10)
> Poughkeepsie, New York
>
>
>
handled gracefully somehow. That is: ALL: non-greedy operators,
> generalized assertions, counted repetitions, character classes CAN be
> processed using the fast algorithm. Why then we don't have it? I once
> wrote a program in python and was pretty happy to have non-greedy
>
nobody knows how to
implement them in subexponential time, but it hasn't been proved
to be impossible.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
27;t be me, then
it needs to be done in a way that doesn't break anything, like when
UNIX switched from basic to extended regular expressions and added a
-e option to grep.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
It's the ACPI Secure Computing Initiative: fixed input format == no
buffer overflow vulnerabilities. Long live Herman Hollerith!
ron minnich wrote:
> This courtesy of the ACPI spec: ""RSD PTR " (Notice that this
> signature must contain a trailing
> blank character.)"
>
> So where do we get the
The regulars on that group spend their days either playing bingo at the
community center, chasing kids off their yard with a broom, or posting to
that USENET group. :)
On Tue, Nov 4, 2008 at 8:27 PM, Nolan Hamilton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
>
>
> Thanks alot, people in comp.os.plan9 are much mor
>>It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard.
>
> that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel.
Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking
from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a
directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the e
Here in Saudi Arabia, most ISPs are happy to provide what I like to call
"five sevens" service.
I think that it would be awesome to have a net connection stable enough to
run a smtp or http server.
Then again I think it would be nice to have an ISP where I don't have to run
"pull" 3 or 4 times in o
uld also be the basis for a nice plan 9 cpu cluster.
Any recommendations?
John
I'm envisioning something w/ more horsepower, in the core 2
or athlon 64 x2 class, but in a comparably sized form-factor.
John
2.0 wisdom of crowds at work!
John
What I did was have Nemo's book and a number of the papers printed and bound
for $40 US.
Swing by your local Popcopy and have one of the apathetic and condescending
staff do the same.
On Sat, Nov 15, 2008 at 6:23 AM, Nolan Hamilton
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]>wrote:
> I was wondering if there are any bo
I don't think that there is a darn thing wrong with rio, its the Audi of GUIs
On Wed, Nov 19, 2008 at 10:13 PM, Jack Johnson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> I always thought 8 1/2, rio, acme and friends were more, uh, Amish UIs
> than ugly UIs, but to each his or her own.
>
> -J
>
>
it is trivial. IIRC there is an
APE port somewhere in contrib.
John
I would have opted for the obvious firearms-related solution. :)
On Thu, Dec 18, 2008 at 4:19 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 17, 2008 at 5:10 PM, Nolan Hamilton
> wrote:
>> Well apparently plan9 runs on alpha, but I can not get plan9 to run on my
>> DS10L. Can anyone help?
>>
>
> I can he
hat I may shut down my server for
a bit until I figure out what's up.
What are my options for getting rid of this? People who run Plan 9
mail servers, what do you do?
Thanks
John
--
Ph'nglui mglw'nafh Cthulhu R'lyeh wgah'nagl fhtagn
For what it's worth, bwk awk does not have this problem, so the error
must be in code introduced later.
> Note the 5946903e318 which AWK may mistakenly treat as a floating
> point constant. Now to figure how to prevent such errors...
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity Col
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM, John Floren wrote:
> Starting today, my account on my Plan 9 server has been getting tons
> of "free coupons", "free Dell XPS", "Student loans!" spam, apparently
> from one operator, since every domainname is in
I feel a bit silly now... just discovered upas/spam etc. This seems to
be catching all of my spam with just the default set of rules, while
allowing non-spam through.
On Thu, Jan 8, 2009 at 2:55 PM, John Floren wrote:
> Starting today, my account on my Plan 9 server has been getting tons
&
I wonder how much flack I would get from Israeli passport control for
the stamps in my passport. :)
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 1:26 PM, Akshat Kumar
wrote:
> which homie in the hood is going to represent?
>
> yo
> ak
>
>
Actually, my Business visa to Saudi has me listed as a Muslim in
'Arabic. I could just have been visiting Bait Al Maqdis. :)
On Thu, Jan 22, 2009 at 8:16 PM, wrote:
>> I wonder how much flack I would get from Israeli passport control for
>> the stamps in my passport. :)
>
> What makes you think
> What'd you say if you had my keyboard? I
I would say that I need to find some more activities for your key.
Kenji Arisawa wrote:
> Pegasus 2.6 is released with new WebDAV script written in Lua.
> Take a look at http://plan9/remoty/pegasus/eman-2.6/ for more details.
Do you have a non-local URL host name?
o Plan 9? Is there some structural
reason why it can't be done or is it just that nobody has done the
work yet? Note that I am specifically not asking about "shared"
libraries...
John
tool more
general. (FWIW, as has been pointed out on this list previously,
Inferno applications can dynamically load modules at run-time.)
John
> using a variant of something we developed and then
> re-developed for Inferno, you can dynamically load
> C modules at run time, and unusually, with type checking,
> with support in the compilers and loaders.
Is the code to do this available for public consumption?
e. They solve different problems.
John
> I've turned it back on and will watch to see if our web server gets
> swamped by it. This interface should not be used to mirror the
> contents of sources.
What interface should be used to used to mirror sources? 9fs?
replica? More specifically, if I wanted to set up my own HTTP mirror
of sou
I need to think/write up a command that I can name "nph"
On Sat, Feb 21, 2009 at 11:40 PM, Andrew Simmons wrote:
>> by the way, which one's kumar?
>>
> Kumar is the one with nice pubes.
>
>
Is there a program that will render some subset of a font file so that
you get a quick feel for what it looks like?
John
The only fiddly bit is configuring the Synergy server on Windows where
there is a bit of redundancy. See the attached screenshots. AMD is
my Windows machine, everex is my Plan 9 box.
The synergy server (for Unix, Windows and OS X) can be found at
http://synergy2.sourceforge.net/.
John
<><>
it three times. Then I snarf the lot of them,
and paste three times. Then I snarf that and paste three times.
Ugly as hell, but it does work.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
hon).
It also looks like it's been (partially?) back-ported to Python 2.4
and 2.5: http://pypi.python.org/pypi/processing.
John
On Tue, Mar 3, 2009 at 4:54 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>> I should have qualified. I mean *massive* parallelization when applied
>> to "average" use cases. I don't think it's totally unusable (I
>> complain about synchronous I/O on my phone every day), but it's being
>> pushed as a panacea, and tha
> I believe GIL is as present in Python nowadays as ever. On a related
> note: does anybody know any sane interpreted languages with a decent
> threading model to go along? Stackless python is the only thing that
> I'm familiar with in that department.
Check out Lua's coroutines: http://www.lua.or
bit easier to
and more natural to describe some languages in the class.
There are sane objections to adding counts, but I don't think
this is really one of them.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
On Sat, Mar 7, 2009 at 7:01 PM, Pietro Gagliardi wrote:
> http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/pietro/programming.pdf
>
> I uploaded a slightly updated version to
> /n/sources/contrib/pietro/programming.ms and updated the PDF likewise. When
> I get more time I will further expand the tutoria
mailing list before, but I think the first
step is new.
Best regards
John
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It's been quite responsive over http; I think the main issue is that
people automatically write "https" in links these days and I'm not
sure p9f.org ever had HTTPS set up. I remember trying it weeks back
when Ron first announced it, wasn't able to connect with HTTPS back
t
, but it wasn't a straight-across change and we ended up
deciding that since the Go compilers were being maintained
specifically to compile Go, it wouldn't be a good idea to hitch our
wagon to them lest they make some Go-focused changes which break our
stuff.
john
---
or what to do about a hypothetical patch rewriting a kernel
function that someone mailed to Bell Labs in 2003, well, I don't know.
john
On Wed, Mar 31, 2021 at 10:38 AM wrote:
>
> Nobody is disgruntled (that we know about). The code under discussion
> in Richard Miller's contr
My daily mouse is a Logitech 3-button mouse plugged into a PS2-USB adapter.
Obviously they're not making them anymore but I've managed to acquire a bunch
over the years. It's sturdy and works fine.
https://www.ebay.com/itm/384628597228
john
Original Message
edict.
>
>
>
>
>
> Respectfully
The examples you give don't really need a fork of Plan 9, but if you
really want to fork it just do it. You don't need permission or
anybody's blessing, but if you're looking for somebody to say "Sounds
great, where do you want me to start?" you'll probably be waiting a
long time, because nobody's going to sign up for a project backed up
by nothing but talk.
John Floren
7;t like pastel colours and
bunnies. But those people aren't on this list, so this is
the wrong place to guage their level of interest.
--
John Stalker
School of Mathematics
Trinity College Dublin
tel +353 1 896 1983
fax +353 1 896 2282
Hello Adriano,
Have you disabled all snapshotting features? Usiong open -r?
How are you starting fossil, what's your configuration?
--
John Soros
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 12:45:09 Adriano Verardo wrote:
> Hi all.
>
> I'm building an industrial application hosted by severa
rson to be asked...I currently don't even have
my plan9 system installed.
HTH
On Tuesday 20 April 2010 13:39:59 Adriano Verardo wrote:
> John Soros wrote:
> > Hello Adriano,
> > Have you disabled all snapshotting features? Usiong open -r?
> > How are you starting fo
intensively
> on "program-to-get-money-to-be-able-to-eat" for now.
TeX installed ok, but I couldn't get LaTeX installed; I attempted to
follow the instructions in your README, but there was no indication
that anything actually worked. Have you installed it on a Plan 9
system? The instructions seemed a lot more Linux-oriented than Plan 9.
John
On Tue, Apr 27, 2010 at 1:54 PM, wrote:
> Nice work, but couldn't you just bind /n/sources/plan9/sys/src
> to the hg repo and push from there?
>
That would almost certainly be slower than grabbing the ISO via HTTP
and getting the file tree locally.
John
that opening, reading, and closing
hundreds of small files via 9P would also be much slower than grabbing
the same files in a compressed archive via HTTP and uncompressing.
Also, I'm not sure of the exact mechanics of hg, but I'm guessing that
a commit + push would involve at least two traversals of the tree,
which is not fun when you're hitting sources for every file op.
John
=cm_cr_pr_product_top
My netbook's trackpad is unacceptable for Plan 9 use, and since it
doesn't have a PS/2 port I can't plug in one of my old Logitechs.
John
I
think RIT would be willing to host the conference. Plus, I wouldn't
have to buy plane tickets :)
John
it
> finds. but if it's all zeros there you are usually fine.
>
> ron
>
>
I've also found that, if I don't feel like writing zeroes to the
drive, I can instead shift the start/end locations of the fossil and
venti partitions by 1, which seems to do the trick as w
gt;
> I used strace but don't really care what you call it as long
> as it is short! How about ratrace (Ron's ascii trace)?
>
I think "ratrace" is a damn fine name, given that it's both "Ron's
ASCII trace" and "rat race"
John
--
"W
On Fri, May 21, 2010 at 1:08 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 11, 2009 at 4:37 PM, John Floren wrote:
>> Hi
>>
>> So I'm trying to clone a private repository I just created on
>> bitbucket. This is what I see:
>>
>> jerq% hg clone https://@bitbuck
ions and suggestions. For my part, I'm trying to find good
example filesystems to read (I've been looking at gpsfs, for
instance).
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .." -- Ron Minnich
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 5:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> 2010/6/15 John Floren :
>> I'm going to be doing some work with 9P and high-latency links this
>> summer and fall. I need to be able to test things over a high-latency
>> network, but since I may be modifyi
On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 9:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote:
> 2010/6/15 John Floren :
>> I'm going to be doing some work with 9P and high-latency links this
>> summer and fall. I need to be able to test things over a high-latency
>> network, but since I may be modifyi
han it does to copy from a system running a non-modified kernel to
go.cs.bell-labs.com (14ms RTT). I'd like to try running the tests with
a different latency method.
Thanks
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .." -- Ron Minnich
On Tue, Jun 22, 2010 at 2:53 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Tue, Jun 15, 2010 at 10:14 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>> On Wed, Jun 16, 2010 at 12:07 AM, erik quanstrom
>> wrote:
>>>> Last time I needed something similar, I just run a modified iostats.
>>&
er move your hand from the mouse.
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .." -- Ron Minnich
ac OS X all ask for usernames and passwords
when they boot, despite the fact that only the most casual of
"attacker" would be put off by that, rather than, say, rebooting with
a LiveCD and grabbing your data that way. There's something to be said
for deterring casual fiddlers w
Don't do this under drawterm, at least not on Windows. It'll gobble
your mouse right up, or at least it did mine.
Of course, there's no reason to run this in drawterm, since your host
OS is certain to have its own screen locker...
John
On Wed, Sep 1, 2010 at 12:21 AM, Federi
g at once, have a graphical editor, etc.
4. Full-screen stats is pretty
Of course, none of these reasons matter to you, since you don't run
rio on your servers AND you don't think there's any reason to lock
them (I agree!), I'm just pointing out that graphical lockers and rio
in g
e /rc/bin/service/!tcp515 to tcp515 and try again,
'ps' shows that lots of lpdaemon, generic, lpsend.rc, and lpsend
processes get started, and the memory usage slowly climbs and climbs,
but nothing ever happens.
Anybody else experienced this?
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity bree
/auth/file server is connected to a serial
multiplexer, so I don't run rio there. At my university lab, I didn't
bother to connect a serial line or a KVM, but the server sits right
under my terminal, so I can swap the connectors around and get a
physical console if I really need one.
Sometim
.
I already put my account in the adm and sys groups, so I can get just
about as much abuse as I want without ever logging in as the
hostowner.
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .." -- Ron Minnich
"? Printers have never been my strong point; I'm usually
just good enough to get it set up in CUPS :)
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .." -- Ron Minnich
.
John
On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 12:09 PM, John Floren wrote:
> On Thu, Sep 2, 2010 at 10:28 AM, Russ Cox wrote:
>>> prec7 - p9 tcp!prec7!9100 81920 post+600dpi generic
>>> generic generic generic tcppost
>>
>> Your spooler is generic but I t
I've been looking around for virtual hosting for plan 9, and I was
wondering if anyone knew of anything besides what's available at
freeshell/sdf?
Thanks!
--
John Osborne
osbor...@gmail.com/j...@freeshell.org
w. why
> fmt <>afile
> doesn't work?)
>
> So how?
> Can anybody help? (I mean, is there a one-liner?)
> Thank you!
> Ruda
>
>
Run it through cb before you print it and give cb a length argument. I
did basically this same thing just the other day.
John
--
&
I'd prefer something around 12, I
think.
John
--
"With MPI, familiarity breeds contempt. Contempt and nausea. Contempt,
nausea, and fear. Contempt, nausea, fear, and .." -- Ron Minnich
http://www.livestream.com/iwp9
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Tharaneedharan Vilwanathan
wrote:
> hi,
>
> is there a link for live streaming of the conference? i tried to
> locate one but couldn't.
>
> thanks
> dharani
>
>
I tried it for a few seconds and it worked, don't tell Eric.
On Mon, Oct 11, 2010 at 2:19 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> livestream.com/iwp9
>
> I think
>
> eric won't let me try it.
>
> ron
>
>
They came out kind of fuzzy, I think it's because of the bright light
from outside behind us.
http://jfloren.net/IWP9group1.jpg
http://jfloren.net/IWP9group2.jpg
t was primitive because nobody really used it)
John
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 7:42 PM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote:
> ppc64 and amd64 support exists. the ppc64 port is partial and is
> available publically. It is my understanding that the amd64 is
> partial and available to those who ask.
A new addition from Stephen Jones!
http://jfloren.net/eric.jpg
On Wed, Oct 13, 2010 at 6:22 PM, John Floren wrote:
> They came out kind of fuzzy, I think it's because of the bright light
> from outside behind us.
>
> http://jfloren.net/IWP9group1.jpg
> http://jfloren.net/IWP9group2.jpg
>
It is probably worth trying. However, it wouldn't make copying a file
from sources any faster, or help a Blue Gene node do a snapshot any
quicker.
John
2010/10/15 Julius Schmidt :
> Perhaps I'm getting this all wrong, but to me this seems like an
> interesting idea, especially
On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 9:53 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
> On Wed, Oct 27, 2010 at 3:50 PM, Charles Forsyth
> wrote:
>>>Sorry that wing-commander can't package it for today.
>>
>> sorry old boy, it wasn't LMF: at first we thought it was a wizard wheeze,
>> but one of the sprogs had a prang with
Here's an open question to anyone using USB audio on Plan 9: What
device are you using? How well does it work?
I'm looking for something I can get on Amazon; my T22 has been silent
long enough!
John
7;s usb and linux has
>> the code too. Audio quality is high, that is until you plug in a mic
>> and line-in and line-out signals get mixed.
>>
>> Btw John, I just got that 'real' 3-button optical logitech-made mouse
>> from IBM you'd mentioned. It beat
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Stanley Lieber
wrote:
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
>>
>> There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the
>> commits that have been going in.
>
> http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes/topics
>
> doesn't show
ater today.
John
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 2:14 PM, Eugene Gorodinsky
wrote:
> Hi list!
> I've been trying to install plan9 today, on a qemu vm. When trying to
> install from local the installer seems unable to find quite a few files in
> plan9's src directory. It seems there&#x
Please see lsub's Op and my Streaming talk at the most recent IWP9.
Also, regarding 'cat', the behavior of many basic tools is that,
barring any file arguments, they take stdin as input and output to
stdout, so cat's behavior makes sense to me.
On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 10:25 PM, Sam Watkins wrote
On Mon, Nov 15, 2010 at 12:16 AM, Sam Watkins wrote:
> On Sun, Nov 14, 2010 at 11:20:00PM -0500, John Floren wrote:
>> Please see lsub's Op and my Streaming talk at the most recent IWP9.
>
> Ok, thanks. I did not know that 9p has latency problems even when reading a
> sing
urpose of
Rerror. If 9P ever has to change again (adding new T-messages), you'll
find it a lot easier to interoperate old and new code if we get
Rerrors on bogus T-messages.
John
On Wed, Dec 8, 2010 at 4:36 PM, Jacob Todd wrote:
> Seems a little small for a terminal, 4.3" at 480x272 resolution. Maybe I'm
> crazy.
That's better than what you got on the iPaq, and I found that to be
reasonably usable.
John
uot;Grab a pentium from the
loading dock" doesn't count!
John
if you need a rundown.
Basically, "> Where might I go for a walk thru in setting up a simple
plan9 installation one cpu/auth/fs and one terminal?" is answered by
"Use the standalone install instructions... and that's basically it."
If you'd give us the errors you're seeing from cpu, we might be able
to help. "Weird errors" isn't very informative!
If it comes down to it, I can exchange some of my config files with
you. I have a standalone cpu server running, with PXE boot working.
John
On Thu, Dec 9, 2010 at 7:39 PM, Lloyd Caldwell wrote:
>
> John, thanks,
>
>>
>> If you follow the standalone CPU installation instructions on the wiki
>> to the letter, you will have a cpu/auth/file server. It's then easy to
>> export fossil to clients, just
exact same setup
as the person who wrote whatever I am reading. And I'm never
setting out to accomplish the exact same thing.
I'm not really asking people to write better howtos. I think
the idea is fundamentally broken. What we really need is some
less narrative and more expository.
ne it often enough that I might be able to write a decent
document about setting up a standalone server and some terminals with
explanations of what needs to be done, followed by actual commands to
do it... I think the existing standalone CPU howto document actually
does a pretty good job with that, it's just a little hasty/haphazard
sometimes.
John
ogram, but MathSciNet gives references in BibTeX
format, and this is what journals demand, so I cut and paste. It's
been about 7 years since I had a plan9 machine as my main machine
for work, and I probably won't go back to that, but if I did then a
working version of LaTeX+BibTeX would be a r
ing cp to the repo anyway.
Anyway, it's far from perfect, but any comments, patches, or
suggestions are appreciated.
John
treams, which are for reading OR writing sequentially.
I also wanted to give an error if you tried to read from a write
stream and vice versa; your stream() doesn't seem to do that.
Like I said, it's not perfect, and there's probably a better way to do it.
John
On Sun, Jan 9, 2011 at 9:29 AM, ron minnich wrote:
[snipped]
> As John has
> pointed out the streaming only makes sense where the inherent network
> latency is pretty high (10s of milliseconds), i.e. the wide area.
>
> ron
>
>
Right, my results were that you get pretty
P had a
*slight* edge over regular 9P at 500 us RTT, but it's very slight. I
think at that point the bottleneck was bandwidth rather than latency,
and 9P was still able to get RPCs over as quickly as streams.
John
On Mon, Jan 10, 2011 at 10:48 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
>
which you can then connect from a Plan 9 terminal, 9vx on
Linux, or drawterm on Linux/OS X/Windows.
Personally, I've run at least half a dozen Plan 9 servers over the
years, always installing a full cpu/auth/file server, usually on any PC
I can scrape together out of the parts bin or
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