Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jul 19 07:53:33 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > > I think it's better to remove the timeout from bulk endpoints (perhaps by > > making it optional) > > There's already a general way to time out any read/write operation > alarm() and notify(). Why add a special case option for one par

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> sd doesn't deal with this problem. for example, currently most > of the sd devices (orion is an exception) are uninterruptable. > and you get whatever timeout you get. > > the sticky bit is that scsi and ata devices implement timeouts > on the devices. these might not always be appropriate and

Re: [9fans] new usb stack and implicit timeouts

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> > isn't it easier to set > > up time timeout at the beginning? > > Not if you use normal read/write to talk to usb endpoints (which > seems to me a Good Thing). Normal read/write system call doesn't > have a timeout argument. do you mean "normal read/write" vs. an rpc protocol, say, like /dev

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jul 19 12:26:24 EDT 2009, eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: > I was never satisfied with dircp. It's practice of copying the contents > of one directory into another seemed limiting at best, obstructive at > worst. The recursive copy options of Gnu cp seemed much more elegant(!), > preserving the u

Re: [9fans] i/o on a hangup channel asymmetry

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> Observe: > also observe (as ron noted) this happens mostly on pipes. this would tend to cause pipes to shutdown from right to left. ; 8c -FVTw roman.c && 8l -o roman roman.8 ; {roman | dd >/dev/null} & sleep 7; slay dd|rc write good write good ; note: sys: write on closed pipe pc=0x270a w

Re: [9fans] first timer - editing plan9.ini

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jul 19 19:30:10 EDT 2009, benave...@gmail.com wrote: > cp plan9.ini plan9.ini.old 8.3, remember. - erik

Re: [9fans] first timer - editing plan9.ini

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> Run 9fat: first, then run acme in the same window. Or, run acme, then > do the command "Local 9fat:" inside the editor. in rio, i prefer to plumb the string "Local 9fat:". this means that all new windows will inherit /n/9fat in their namespaces. - erik

Re: [9fans] i/o on a hangup channel asymmetry

2009-07-19 Thread erik quanstrom
> one last kick of a dead horse: see that's exactly what I'm > talking about -- all these exceptions and for what? I'm > pretty sure if we change the devpipe today not to send > a note nobody would even notice... since you're confident that this exception is spurious, why don't you remove it from

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
> & [what] does mkext stand for), and make extract, i assume. > > file /bin/mkfs > /bin/mkfs: cannot open: '/bin/mkfs' file does not exist > > Dude, like, huh? you must have missed the first few lines of the man page disk/mkfs [-aprvxU] [-d root] [-n name] [-s source] [

Re: [9fans] strange behaviour of ps under load

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jul 20 04:11:39 EDT 2009, gd...@9grid.es wrote: > hello > > today i found 9grid plan9 under heavy load, stats reports load ~2000, syscall > ~6, context ~22000, i was trying to discover which proc has gone crazy, > but i can't even complete a ps. I can do other operations, such as send

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
> Sure. Let me get a modest little cybernetic interface to one of those > temporal vision thingummabobs they have these days and I'll call you right > back. > > Sorry if that was a bit harsh, but I've had far too much 'advice' to 'just do > this easy little thing'... Computers are supposed to s

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
> > I think the latter approach would produce a more usable, less frustrating > filesystem than the former. > plan 9 seems to me to be firmly in the fs rather than the database camp. before i moved to plan 9, i thought that locate was a very cool tool. things had gotten mighty hard to find in

Re: [9fans] dcp - a deep copy script, better than dircp

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
minooka; time rc -c 'du -a . | wc' > On Mon, Jul 20, 2009 at 2:41 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > on coraid's worm, a find on main takes not too long: > > > > minooka; cd /n/ila > > minooka; time rc -c 'find . | wc' > >  356164  356164 139878

Re: [9fans] i/o on a hangup channel asymmetry

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
i did some looking through the plan 9 source. (it's great to have it all in one place.) all of this group, to a quick scan, should work if the note is removed. many can lose their note handlers, because the the pipe signal is the only there to catch writes on closed pipes. grep 'closed pipe' `{f

Re: [9fans] i/o on a hangup channel asymmetry

2009-07-20 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jul 20 22:05:50 EDT 2009, r...@swtch.com wrote: > The programs that know about the signal are > not the programs that need to be worried about. > I'm much more worried about making sure that > commands like > > grep pattern /n/dump/slow/slow/sys/log/mail | sed 5q > > stop as early as possi

Re: [9fans] arenas00: indexing 1455 clumps...

2009-07-21 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jul 21 22:34:47 EDT 2009, leim...@gmail.com wrote: > ctrl-p is reboot!? That's surprising. I thought it was Ctrl-t-t r. > > only on a cpuserver. this means that you can C into a cpu server and type ^p and reboot the cpu server, without worring about nuking your terminal. - erik

Re: [9fans] arenas00: indexing 1455 clumps...

2009-07-21 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jul 21 22:37:35 EDT 2009, michaelian.en...@gmail.com wrote: > echo ctlpoff >/dev/consctl > > would have to be run each time the system boots right? > > ian god invented /rc/bin/cpurc for a reason. - erik

Re: [9fans] arenas00: indexing 1455 clumps...

2009-07-21 Thread erik quanstrom
> I tried ctrl-p because I just learned that ctl-a moves cursor to > beginning of line, or point; and I thought, I wonder if there's > a keybinding that will always move cursor to point - so for the > hell of it, I tried the "obvious" ctl-p. this is a modern invention. i think it may be an emacs

Re: [9fans] a few misc. questions...

2009-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
> ... but which would be considered the most logical place to deal with > things such as setting hd parameters for the machine on bootup like > the 'echo dma on > /dev/sdC0/ctl' example above? also see dmaon(8). just as an obvious note, this only affects interfaces using ide or ide emulation. yo

Re: [9fans] strange behaviour of ps under load

2009-07-22 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed Jul 22 11:49:54 EDT 2009, s...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > Very odd. There are no blocking operations in reading the status file in > /proc. > The only thing I can think of is that you have something bound (snapfs?) in > /proc > and that you're hanging on a stale mount point. > > Is the

Re: [9fans] Does "as little software as possible" include a modern browser?

2009-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
> /n/sources/contrib/steve/rc/gmap -s eastleigh road, havant > > [credit to erik for the much needed polishing of this tool] anyone can polish. the important bit is the gem. - erik

[9fans] iwp9 updates

2009-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
ian at coraid got good and motivated and registered iwp9.org. so you can now reach the web site at http://iwp9.org in addition to iwp9.quanstro.net. thanks, ian. ian has also convinced dr. smith of uga to help us out. good deal that, too. reminder: five weeks left until the paper submis

[9fans] 9load vs vista, momentus drives

2009-07-23 Thread erik quanstrom
since fgb is so cool, he let me debug on his back. we found a couple of non-obvious problems on an ich9r laptop with a segate momentus drive. if you're dual-booting plan 9 with vista, it's a good idea to avoid using a fat16 partition because vista will create a type 0xe (fat16lba) partition, which

Re: [9fans] 9vx and AWK

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
> PS: I have read old logs where it was discussed that awk should be a > native plan9 application and not an ape port (or, at least, it should > use rc instead of the ape shell). Is there any reason this was not > done? or was it not worth the trouble? probablly because it'll (or could, anyway) br

Re: [9fans] plan9port tools speed

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
> I've just installed the plan9port as described here ( > http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man1/install.html) on a debian box. > I was comparing the speed of some commands between the plan9 and the GNU > version, and I get consistently poorer results for the plan9 ones. > 'grep' for example, is at le

Re: [9fans] installation on SATYA disk failed

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
> This is what I get: > > PBS1... > Plan 9 from Bell Labs > ELCR:CCL8 > pcirouting: South bridge 8086, 2810 not found > islba: drive 0x80 extensions version 48.0 cx 0x5 > exgetsize: drive 0x80 info flags 0x0 > bios0: drive 0x80: 1,000,204,886,016 bytes, type 3 > reading drive 0x80 offset 0 into se

Re: [9fans] 9load vs vista, momentus drives

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jul 24 06:06:31 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: > We are going to see your changes in the distribution CD soon, right? > (Its strange to find great solutions and fixes in the /contrib > section, why are they not included in the regular install CD?) well, i made some pretty big changes to

Re: [9fans] installation on SATA disk failed

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
> I still get 'biosdiskcall: int 13 op 041 drive 0x80 failed, ah error code > 0x1', but then everything seems OK: > ahci0: port 0xfebff800: hba sss1; ncs 31; coal 1; mports 3; led 1; clo 1; > ems1; > unk: sata-II with 4 ports > sdiahci: drive 0 in state ready after 0 resets that message isn't ve

[9fans] (no subject)

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
> #!/bin/rc > > hget http://dictionary.com/browse/$1 | htmlfmt | awk ' /dictionary > results/, /Cite This Source/ {print } ' > EOF > > chmod 755 $home/bin/rc/odict > > odict simple unfortunately the default charset is 8859-1, and in the http headers dictionary.com sets the charset to utf-8. t

[9fans] (no subject)

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
- 9fans. trying not to post too much. > #!/bin/rc > > hget http://dictionary.com/browse/$1 | htmlfmt | awk ' /dictionary > results/, /Cite This Source/ {print } ' > EOF > > chmod 755 $home/bin/rc/odict > > odict simple unfortunately the default charset is 8859-1, and in the http headers dict

Re: [9fans] (no subject)

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jul 24 13:20:17 EDT 2009, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: > - 9fans. sorry. i don't know what marshal did to me. - erik

Re: [9fans] iwp9 updates

2009-07-24 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jul 24 12:06:03 EDT 2009, jason.cat...@gmail.com wrote: > To complicate the answer: there's an effort to make article and book styles > along the lines of Tufte's books. Sidenotes, Palatino and Bera Mono fonts > (I use Inconsolata for both paper code segments and in Acme), and shallow > se

Re: [9fans] plan9port tools speed

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> I took some more timings after some correspondance with > bug-g...@gnu.org. I do recall gnu grep was twice as fast as p9p grep > when given a plain ascii environment, but I haven't kept other results. > > I don't know if the gnu grep maintainers are looking for a fix, or even > if they consider

Re: [9fans] plan9port behind corporate firewall with no DNS or port access

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> traceroute can't get to that IP address, so I'm pretty sure the corporate > firewall is doing its job. traceroute failure just means that someone is not passing icmp traffic. the only thing you know is icmp traffic won't pass. here's a dirty trick you can do with plan 9 traceroute: ; ip/tracer

[9fans] fun proto bug

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
i apologize for not hunting this down, but i don't want to get diverted from hunting other bugs right now. ; cat /tmp/allproto + ; disk/mk9660 -9cj -b bootdisk.img -p /tmp/allproto /tmp/9atom2.iso warning: proto lists rc/bin/kill twice warning: proto lists sys/lib/postscript/troff/hx twice warning

Re: [9fans] fun proto bug

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> > ; cat /tmp/allproto > > + > > ; disk/mk9660 -9cj -b bootdisk.img -p /tmp/allproto /tmp/9atom2.iso > > warning: proto lists rc/bin/kill twice > > You don't say where you are running this command, > but I bet a case-insensitive file system or file system > protocol is involved. There should be

Re: [9fans] a few more misc. questions if you don't mind

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> Also, not so much from the perspective of a standalone terminal, just general > questions: > > What's the inter-relationship/difference between the following two commands: > 'auth/keyfs' and 'auth/wrkey'? I've read their respective man pages, but I'm > still a bit hazy on what exactly are the r

Re: [9fans] a few more misc. questions if you don't mind

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Jul 25 23:09:49 EDT 2009, co...@bitworthy.net wrote: > > > Why is sysname= not documented in plan9.ini(8)? Just an oversight? > > > > because it's not set there. ndb/cs sets sysname. > > see comments in /rc/bin/cpurc. > > > > I got the notion that you can set sysname via plan9.ini from thi

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> However, in the class of languages for which I am trying to > provide support, certain characters are meant to be produced > by an ordered combination of other characters. For example, > the general sequence in Devanagari script (and this extends > to the other scripts as well) is that > consona

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> to be fair to the unicode people, this decoupling of glyphs and codepoints > is (i think) the most straightforward way to implement some languages like > arabic, where the glyphs for characters depend on their position within a > word. that is, a letter at the beginning of a word looks different

Re: [9fans] installation on SATYA disk failed

2009-07-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jul 26 02:12:21 EDT 2009, bval...@gmail.com wrote: > I suggest that you keep the floppy-install option. If Plan 9 is > installed, its normally on a virtual machine, or on an older computer > somewhere in the garage, often with floppy-drives only. But if its > time consuming to support it...

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jul 26 10:14:51 EDT 2009, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote: > On Sun, Jul 26, 2009 at 09:48:23AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > > my opinion (not that i'm entitled to one here) is > > that the unicode guys screwed up. unicode is not > > consistant. expla

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> the real problem isn't in viewing them however, but comes when you > start searching for them: it's easy to search for ë (e-umlaut) for > example, but what if it's described as e+"U+0308 COMBINING DIAERESIS"? > the answer is the UTS#18 Regular Expressions technical standard which > probably contr

Re: [9fans] Woes of New Language Support

2009-07-26 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Jul 26 14:40:56 EDT 2009, knapj...@gmail.com wrote: > If I'm reading you right, you're saying it might be easier if > everything were encoded as combining (or maybe more aptly > non-combining) codes, regardless of language? > > So, we might encode 'Waffles' as w+upper a f f l e s and let th

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> each time using the same process/steps) - and now it doesn't go away, > even on a completely fresh install, even after I wiped the drives completely. what's your disk wiping procdure? > Now, every time I install plan 9 on this machine, even when I don't change > the clock or timezone in any way

Re: [9fans] vmware installation problems

2009-07-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> there was then a long pause and then i got lots and lots more i/o > error messages, and it failed to boot. sounds like missed irqs. > init: starting /bin/rc > ndb/dns: can't read my ip address > 2009/0728 00:53:27 err 4: write /dev/sdC0/isect offset 0xb0a4000 count > 65536 buf 1dc6000 returned

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> > ls -l /386/bin/venti > > reboot > > > ... but the changes I applied to arena.c do show up; which > leads me to believe my changes aren't being used by the > system. no you're not missing anything except for the sleezy trick. venti is built into the kernel. you will also need to rebuild

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> "I suspect what's happening is the motherboard clock is set in > the future, you are formatting venti based on that time, and then later > firing up timesync which interprets the RTC as local time. If your RTC is > set to UTC and you're in the western hemisphere, the RTC clock will be > ahead

Re: [9fans] diskless cpu from a fossil

2009-07-27 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jul 27 22:41:35 EDT 2009, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: > Does anyone have a copy online of a working plan9.ini for pxe booting a > diskless cpu server from a fossil? I've been going through the manpages > and wiki but things just aren't clear to me exactly what needs to be done > wrt configur

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
> > -L used with -r to indicate the real time clock is in > >local time rather than GMT. This is useful on PCs that > >also run the Windows OS. > > > > I must be stuck in some sort of logic error, so please correct me where I'm > wrong: > > * the Plan

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jul 28 14:00:22 EDT 2009, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: > Okay, it's authsrv(2) that describes the nvram search sequence. And for > whatever reason I had it in my head that these days it was possible to > grab the nvram across the wire, which in hindsight makes no sense > whatsoever. And now t

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
> i guess i need to update this man page. i didn't recall the > search algorithm was documented. thanks for pointing that out. sorry for the obtuse reference. now that i've made it on the list, i'll just explain myself. i made a local change to how nvram is found because i kept needing to upda

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
> years back I modified the library so that it could use the cmos nvram. > no more disk. We used this when Andrey > put plan 9 in FLASH. > > It was nice to not have any spinning media for nvram. > > It gets a little tricky because cmos is not sane in where you can > store bits, but it's doable.

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Jul 28 18:16:08 EDT 2009, davide...@cs.cmu.edu wrote: > > The right fix is probably to comment out the print in venti > > and move on, which you have already done. > > I'd suggest: if the time is off by more than 24 hours, warn once. > That will mean timezone problems will be silently ignor

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
> #6 - reboot, (first-time login), as glenda: > - remove -L switch from $TIMESYNCARGS in /rc/bin/termrc if the time was already correct modulo timezone, why did you do this? also, after allowing the machine to run for some time, does timesync cause the system time (date -n) to jump? i.e

Re: [9fans] how to fix: 'arena arenas00 creation time after last write time'

2009-07-28 Thread erik quanstrom
> Approximately how long is 'some time'? (so I know how long to wait) 5-10 minutes. /sys/log/timesync should be informative. > My point though is that yes, it makes the timezone change take > effect immediately - and it likewise causes the 'creation time after > last write time' /dev/kprint's t

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-29 Thread erik quanstrom
> Hmm. A few years ago, I ran into a similar problem and added a > variable that could be set in plan9.ini to specify where the nvram > actually is. It works reasonably well difficult to maintain in a pretty active environment; one more reason for boot failure. - erik

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jul 30 00:05:45 EDT 2009, el...@andrew.cmu.edu wrote: > My familiarity with the kernel source code is superficial to say the > least, but it seems to me that this code (from /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c) > contains a race condition: > > 702 if(sp<(USTKTOP-BY2PG) || sp>(USTKTOP-sizeof(Sa

Re: [9fans] ape strtod crash

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jul 30 04:42:29 EDT 2009, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: > this ape program gives a floating point exception error: > > #include > void > main(){ > strtod("421567849e316", 0); > } > > this made awk crash when i was running dumpvacroots. > it dies at /sys/src/ape/lib/ap/stdio/strtod.c:473

Re: [9fans] ape strtod crash

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jul 30 08:18:45 EDT 2009, rogpe...@gmail.com wrote: > 2009/7/30 erik quanstrom : > > fixed, > > > > http://9fans.net/archive/2009/01/234 > > ok, thanks, i had a very vague memory of this, but obviously > my googling was inadequate. > > did you submit a

Re: [9fans] ape strtod crash

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
!> ; echo 421567849e316 | awk '{print}' > 421567849e316 > ; 9fs sources > ; ; echo 421567849e316 | /n/sources/plan9/386/bin/awk '{print}' > /n/sources/plan9/386/bin/awk: floating point exception 6 > source line 1 - erik

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> > plan 9 threads are cooperatively scheduled. so > > the correct term is proc. but you are correct, > > another proc sharing memory with this one > > could be running. however, that proc would > > not have access to this proc's stack. (rfork > > doesn't allow shared stack.) and even if it >

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> I think you may be right, Elly. Multithreaded programs indeed have their > stack running outside the stack segment, so this could happen there. > splhi won't even do on a multiprocessor. One should probably lock down > the segment. > We've never seen this happen, of course — or rather, we haven

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> Speaking of, I had a disk in my server die recently, and eventually > it affected the nvram partition. So of course, when I booted up it > couldn't read it and prompted me for the auth credentials, then tried > to write back to nvram, got an i/o error and rebooted. > The reboot could have been

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
> > > > no.  it happens to me all the time.  (when there is no > > place to write nvram, as when no disk is partitioned.) > > OK, but you won't hit an error in that case either. I was wondering > whether the i/o problem was tripping it up. > -sqweek factotum handles this case. - erik

Re: [9fans] nvram

2009-07-30 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Jul 30 14:13:18 EDT 2009, st...@quintile.net wrote: > no it doesn't, I had this a few days ago, moving disks about so > nvram couldn't be found. I could still boot the system but I had to enter > the nvram info from the keyboard, it did then try to write the data back > which (of course) fai

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-31 Thread erik quanstrom
> process1: > still in kernel: > memmove(buf, ...) > *fault* > trap() > fault386() > fault() => -1 > if(!user){ > panic() >

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-31 Thread erik quanstrom
> > could you be more specific.  what is your test program, > > where is it crashing (if you know), and what is the panic > > message, if any?  i must be dense, but i'm confused by > > your process diagram. > > He posted it earlier in this thread > > --dho please post a reference. i do not see

Re: [9fans] Race condition in /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c?

2009-07-31 Thread erik quanstrom
> it ensures mmuflushes in all other processes (sharing that segment) as well. > in fact, the crash you describe just emphasises that point: > the page reference no longer exists, hence the fault. > > the problem (which frankly doesn't bother me) is that fault386 > is being overly cautious in assu

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-01 Thread erik quanstrom
On Fri Jul 31 23:13:51 EDT 2009, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: > On Fri, Jul 31, 2009 at 6:56 PM, J.R. Mauro wrote: > > > Doesn't ASUS burn the Linux distro into a chip, though? Maybe there > > are utilities to flash it with something else. > > see flashrom at coreboot.org > > This is a great idea a

Re: [9fans] off topic: manual sets

2009-08-01 Thread erik quanstrom
> http://man.cat-v.org/unix_8th/ Super Bats! - erik

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-01 Thread erik quanstrom
> Well, if the DOM is compatible with traditionnal IDE it could be, too, > an option for installation: an easily pluggable HD instead of floppy or > CD. the dom is compatable with traditional ide, and with the distributed sdata.c. before i found the doms, i used a pata <-> cf bridge. - erik

Re: [9fans] Kernel crash bug

2009-08-01 Thread erik quanstrom
diff -c /n/dump/2009/0801/sys/src/9/port/sysproc.c sysproc.c /n/dump/2009/0801/sys/src/9/port/sysproc.c:234,247 - sysproc.c:234,248 ulong magic, text, entry, data, bss; Tos *tos; - validaddr(arg[0], 1, 0); - file = (char*)arg[0]; + file = nil; indir = 0;

Re: [9fans] Kernel crash bug

2009-08-01 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sat Aug 1 21:40:18 EDT 2009, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: > diff -c /n/dump/2009/0801/sys/src/9/port/sysproc.c sysproc.c > /n/dump/2009/0801/sys/src/9/port/sysproc.c:234,247 - sysproc.c:234,248 ready. shoot. aim. sorry. i sent the wrong patch. i also should have mentioned that this patch i

Re: [9fans] Parallels Vesa driver question

2009-08-02 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Aug 2 05:39:10 EDT 2009, fus...@storytotell.org wrote: > Hi, > > I installed Plan 9 under Parallels 3 back in November of last year and > it worked without a hitch. I tried to install another copy tonight and > the bitmapped display isn't working in the new one, I just get a pure > b

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-02 Thread erik quanstrom
> Ron, have you researched any long-term wear studies on these flash > drives? I've heard a lot of good things, > but I'm really put off by terms like "wear levelling", filesystems > optimized to work around flash's delicateness, > etc. > > I'm really interested in any numbers anyone has. just lo

Re: [9fans] Parallels Vesa driver question

2009-08-02 Thread erik quanstrom
> Erik, > > Thanks for your speedy assistance! I think the two things are closely > interrrelated via the global variable hardscreen. Reverting this file > solved the problem. I wouldn't be surprised if there were something > weird about Parallels' MTRR support, and since this isn't the curr

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-02 Thread erik quanstrom
> > assuming honest mtbf numbers, one would expect similar > > ures for the same io workload on the same size data set > > as mechanical disks.  since flash drives are much smaller, > > there would obviously be fewer ures per drive.  but needing > > 10x more drives, the mtbf would be worse per byte

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-02 Thread erik quanstrom
> 2009/8/2 erik quanstrom : > > http://www.pcworld.com/article/143558/laptop_flash_drives_hit_by_high_failure_rates.html > > > > surprising, no?  there are still plenty of reasons to want an > > ssd.  it just seems that reliablity isn't one of those reasons yet. &g

Re: [9fans] just an idea (Splashtop like)

2009-08-02 Thread erik quanstrom
> For the Intel SSD one must also consider: > > > 3.5.4 Write Endurance > > 32 GB drive supports 1 petabyte of lifetime random writes and 64 GB drive > > supports 2 petabyte of lifetime random writes. > That is equivalent to writing the capacity of the SSD 31250 times. At > the specified random

Re: [9fans] Parallels Vesa driver question

2009-08-03 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Aug 3 05:27:06 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > > Hopefully I'll be able to afford a copy of the new > > version of Parallels in a little while and perhaps that will help > > further isolate the problem. > > It's not just Parallels. The new vgavesa also fails to work on > my VIA

[9fans] iso experiment

2009-08-03 Thread erik quanstrom
i've suggested using my contrib/sd to a few people who are having trouble with sd devices. unfortunately, it's hard to apply patches without a working system. so as an experiment i built a cd that differs from the cd on sources only in the kernel and 9load and plan9.ini used. everything else is t

Re: [9fans] iso experiment

2009-08-03 Thread erik quanstrom
>mine does. so we have to figure out what we're doing wrong with >your hardware, or decide that there's something wrong [with your hardware]. there, fixed that for me. - erik

Re: [9fans] iso experiment

2009-08-03 Thread erik quanstrom
> Your iso image boots OK, however the kernel still doesn't see PATA. mine does. so we have to figure out what we're doing wrong with your hardware, or decide that there's something wrong. > The iso boots off PATA, 9load finds and reads plan9.ini, it fails > to find the kernel (because it is loo

Re: [9fans] iso experiment

2009-08-03 Thread erik quanstrom
> I was one of those people, and I must say, the sd drivers work great and seem > to offer a degree of flexibility that the "stock" driver does not. > Why not just incorporate them into the "official" distribution? i'm glad it works for you. thanks for the feedback. i appreciate all feedback go

Re: [9fans] ceph

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> > > > Google? > > the exception that proves the rule? they emphatically > don't go for posix semantics... why would purveryers of 9p give a rip about posix sematics? - erik

Re: [9fans] Parallels Vesa driver question

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> I fear I may not have applied the patch correctly: > > /sys/src/9/pc% mk CONF=pcf > 8c -FTVw devarch.c > devarch.c:733 not enough function arguments: cpuid > devarch.c:733 argument prototype mismatch "IND ULONG" for "IND INT": > cpuid > devarch.c:739 argument prototype mismatch "INT" for "IND

Re: [9fans] more time amusement under vmware

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> fiddle% date -u > Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 GMT 1970 > fiddle% cat /dev/time > 0 0 0 > 1 fiddle% > fiddle% # wait a few seconds > fiddle% cat /dev/time > 0 0 0 > 1 fiddle% what's especially wr

Re: [9fans] Parallels Vesa driver question

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> Anyway, a couple of areas to look into, if you want plan9 on > vbox: try changing the memory layout of plan9 or figure out > what qemu did to make plan9 run well and apply that change to > vbox. what makes you think its a memory layout issue? - erik

[9fans] kvm and hotswap compatable mouse.c

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
this has been driving me nuts for a long time. i've had to have a mouse for each machine running rio because mouse.c wasn't very amenable to either hot-plugged ps/2 or kvm-attached ps/2 mice. since steve mentioned the led problem, i was motivated to finally rid my desk of extra rodents: /

Re: [9fans] off topic: manual sets

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
oddly, neither file(1) nor the linux file can identify the awk that is included in this tarball. - erik

Re: [9fans] Intel atom motherboard - success at last

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> Steve, can you list the total configuration of this machine... motherboard > model etc? This sounds a lot like what I was thinking of building for home. > I also would like to try Erik's new ISO, but sadly, haven't had a lot of > free time to do anything with it. (I already downloaded it) http

Re: [9fans] Intel atom motherboard - success at last

2009-08-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> This one still has a fan. Is there anything decent *and* fanless out > there? unless you think via is fast enough, you'll have to wait for pine trail. ich7r just requires too much power to go fanless. it's quieter than the buttons on my mouse, though. and absolutely silent in comparison to my

Re: [9fans] Intel atom motherboard - success at last

2009-08-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> The dual-processor epia board was pretty snappy but it's no longer > available. > > Many of the via processors have sha-1 in microcode, which could > be useful for a venti server if someone got around to putting the > support into libsec. only if sha1 speed is a bottleneck. is it? - erik

Re: [9fans] another dual-atom motherboard: jetway nc92-330

2009-08-05 Thread erik quanstrom
On Wed Aug 5 05:05:26 EDT 2009, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > and a normal 20-pin atx power connector compared > to the Intel's newer 24-pin one. note that a 24-pin connector is preferable. my atom mb has a 24 pin connector but it is sold with a 20 pin power supply. the extra 4 pins are not requ

Re: [9fans] installation Q

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> hi, > did anyone succeed to install out-of-the-box when target HD is /dev/sdE0, and > CD is on /dev/sdE1 ? > i did not succeed with install on SATA from IDE CD. i ask before i go to buy > a SATA DVD. > i promise to update wiki 'installation' page when i succeed ;-) yes. i didn't have any prob

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> Works like a charm. Knowing the the correct manual page(s) to be looking > at certainly helps! > > I can't help though but be curious as to why there's no command, or > an additional switch to changeuser, to remove users from the keyfile. > I guess due to Plan 9's simplicity motto? [...] > I

Re: [9fans] a few Q's regarding cpu/auth server

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> That wasn't a rhetorical question. Why bother locking your door? > Any intruder worth his weight in salt can circumvent such a simple > security mechanism with ease. [...] > Out of X number of would-be intruders, only a small fraction of those would, > under most circumstances, have the balls a

Re: [9fans] searchfs

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Aug 6 04:50:48 EDT 2009, fus...@storytotell.org wrote: > I googled around and haven't found anything, but I notice there is a > file /sys/src/cmd/aux/searchfs.c, and a corresponding binary aux/ > searchfs. The code doesn't seem to explain what it does very well but > it piqued my curio

[9fans] nupas update

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
i just pushed an update of nupas to sources. it fixes a few bugs, including - a recursive sync loop has been eliminated.. (this has been the source of some mystery crashes) - dualing upas/fs operating on the same mbox no longer miss deletions. the fix is less than elegant. also on 27 jul, a crash

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