[9fans] music video that everone on this list will agree with :-)

2009-03-24 Thread Aharon Robbins
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XHosLhPEN3k :-) Arnold

Re: [9fans] noweb and literal programming

2009-04-17 Thread Aharon Robbins
I have used it also. Circa 10.5 years ago there was a race condition in the scripts that ran it with troff which I fixed and sent back in; I think they got into the dist. Literate programming is a lot of fun and works well if you have the mindset for it. Arnold In article , Russ Cox wrote: >No

[9fans] Google finally announces their lightweight OS

2009-07-08 Thread Aharon Robbins
http://googleblog.blogspot.com/2009/07/introducing-google-chrome-os.html 'nuff said. :-) Arnold

Re: [9fans] off topic: manual sets

2009-08-04 Thread Aharon Robbins
Is a tarball of the 8th ed manual troff files available? The Unix Historical Society (see www.tuhs.org) would like to have this too, I don't doubt. Thanks! Arnold In article <5d375e920908010430t7e5786d1te49f3da8b7a68...@mail.gmail.com> you write: >Thanks to Fish's contribution I have made the

Re: [9fans] Recursive structural expressions?

2009-08-23 Thread Aharon Robbins
I have a file dated October 30 1987 which is the source for a qed clone written at U of Toronto. A quick glance at the man page seems to indicate that it doesn't have recursive regular expressions. I'm not sure who I got it from - possibly Henry Spencer. Anyone know anymore about it? I can put

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)

2009-10-06 Thread Aharon Robbins
In article <13426df10910061021g3b033abbia134769baee93...@mail.gmail.com> you write: >as bad as the ARM may be, it can't hold a candle to what the pentium has >become: >1. RISC CPU (undocumented) in the northbridge (MCH) running ThreadX >2. RISC CPU in the Ethernet part running ThreadX >3. Simple

Re: [9fans] /sys/include/ip.h 5c(1)

2009-10-07 Thread Aharon Robbins
In article <13426df10910061432y17cf8632ta09af4ffe2153...@mail.gmail.com> you write: >On Tue, Oct 6, 2009 at 2:15 PM, Aharon Robbins wrote: >> I understand all your points, and many of them are good ones. But there >> really are places where you don't want to go, and int

Re: [9fans] dataflow programming from shell interpreter

2010-01-18 Thread Aharon Robbins
In article you write: >Is this possible for UNIX philosophy to develop further? Let's say, >XML-coded trees or graphs instead of one-line strings in stdin/ >stdout.Or LISP S-expressions. New set of utilities for filtering such >streams, grep for XML trees, etc. Building environment for dataflow >

Re: [9fans] dataflow programming from shell interpreter

2010-01-19 Thread Aharon Robbins
The PBM utilities (now net pbm) did something similar for bitmaps. I think V10 also had some pipeline utils for manipulating images. In article <89568f5cfeef17d6b1a79f12daeea...@quintile.net>, Steve Simon wrote: >> Building environment for dataflow >> programming from shell interpreter. > >This

[9fans] OT: What linux has become

2014-08-12 Thread Aharon Robbins
http://lkml.iu.edu//hypermail/linux/kernel/1408.1/02496.html Someone should turn this guy on to Plan 9. :-) Arnold

[9fans] ken cc for linux

2015-03-12 Thread Aharon Robbins
Thanks for the link to the Google code repo. I'm currently on x86_64 Ubuntu 12.04. Building was not so smooth, several files are missing for the Power 64 port. I did as best I could to build things. I suppose my expectations aren't what they should be. I was looking for the usual config

[9fans] Off topic: Linus rants against GCC-isms

2015-11-04 Thread Aharon Robbins
Hi All. Although this group in general doesn't like Linux, I think most of you might enjoy his rant: http://gizmodo.com/you-dont-need-to-understand-programming-to-appreciate-t-17399 27472 Arnold

Re: [9fans] trace device paper from aki&john&ron now available

2008-09-22 Thread aharon . robbins
I don't yet have any kind of P9 system, so no access to sources. Can I get a copy of the ps file? thanks, Arnold - Original Message - From: ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> Date: Friday, September 19, 2008 2:19 Subject: [9fans] trace device paper from aki&john&ron now available To: Fans

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-24 Thread Aharon Robbins
You are not missing anything. Subexpression matching means when you have an expression like q(a+b)(c*d)z that you can get access to the exact text matched by the two parenthesized subexpressions. You asked about non-greedy regular expressions which were first popularized by perl. IIRC

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Aharon Robbins
> > GNU grep takes a simple but effective approach. It uses a DFA when > > possible, reverting to an NFA when backreferences are used. GNU awk does > > something similar---it uses GNU grep's fast shortest-leftmost DFA engine > > for simple "does it match" checks, and reverts to a different engine f

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Aharon Robbins
> > As other mails have pointed out, anything that isn't leftmost longest > > has weird semantics. Non-greedy operators are mostly syntactic sugar. > > Is (leftmost-longest + all-greedy operators) syntactic salt then? It is merely the traditional POSIX flavor. Some people like that flavor, some

[9fans] of historical interest (old Unix filesystems using FUSE)

2008-12-17 Thread Aharon Robbins
This is from the TUHS list. I thought it might be of interest here, too. > Date: Thu, 18 Dec 2008 09:05:30 +1000 > From: Warren Toomey > To: t...@tuhs.org > Subject: [TUHS] Old UNIX Filesystems with FUSE > > http://osxbook.com/software/ancientfs/ > > Amit Singh has added support for a whole bunch

[9fans] SYSTOR 2009---The Israeli Experimental Systems Conference

2009-01-21 Thread Aharon Robbins
For the systems builders on the list. FYI. Arnold Interesting conference in May SYSTOR 2009---The Israeli Experimental Systems Conference May 4-6, 2009, Haifa, Israel http://www.haifa.il.ibm.com/conferences/systor2009/ IBM Haifa Research Lab and IBM Systems and

Re: [9fans] 8th edition RFS docs

2009-02-17 Thread Aharon Robbins
RFS was developed by USG, the group that did System V. It was a competitor with Sun's NFS for a while; in many ways it was technically superior, but it didn't get off the ground in the Unix world because of licensing issues with the SVR3 license. I rather doubt that it had much influence on 9P, b

[9fans] Historical Papers on Unix now online

2010-11-08 Thread Aharon Robbins
A friend sent this to me. Both of these mailing lists are likely to find this of interest. I have a paper copy of the 1978 BSTJ, either the '82 or '83 issues, whichever one was devoted to Unix. :-) Arnold > Date: Mon, 8 Nov 2010 17:42:14 -0700 (MST) > From: "Nelson H. F. Beebe" > To: f...@fslc.

[9fans] Nvidia announces it will do ARM based desktop and server CPUs

2011-01-13 Thread Aharon Robbins
For those of you wanting something different than Intel Architecture, Nvidia plans to give it to you. It should be interesting. http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/nvidia-announces-project-denver-arm-cpu-for-the-desktop/ http://www.engadget.com/2011/01/05/microsoft-confirms-arm-support-is-coming-i

Re: [9fans] troff macros for typesetting books/longer texts

2011-03-25 Thread Aharon Robbins
I really like the GNU project's Texinfo markup language, which sets on top of TeX, but you don't have to know TeX. (I've been using Texinfo for > 20 years, but don't know any TeX.) I've written books in troff, Docbook/XML, and Texinfo, and Texinfo is by far the easiest. HTH, Arnold In article

Re: [9fans] Q: moving directories? hard links?

2011-04-18 Thread Aharon Robbins
In article , Rob Pike wrote: >On Sat, Apr 16, 2011 at 11:17 AM, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: >> Linux has slowly become Windows-lite > >Except for the lite part. > >-rob Not really true - there are one or two orders of magnitude more APIs in Windows than in Linux, and they are all infinitely uglier.

Re: [9fans] lenovo or other laptop support

2011-05-04 Thread Aharon Robbins
In article <271f1d4632de477f20e2dfe627cfd...@brasstown.quanstro.net> you write: >at coraid, we're considering asking new hires use ed for >a week exclusively. As the only real Unix/Linux expert at my previous company, I used to tell people that the way to really learn to become comfortable as a co

Re: [9fans] Four chances (was RFS alternatives (Was: Living with Plan 9))

2011-06-27 Thread Aharon Robbins
> Date: Mon, 27 Jun 2011 10:20:57 -0700 > From: ron minnich > > . Which means each of us has maybe 4 chances in life to > really push a change into the world. There, I just made your day. I have four wonderful children. So, maybe I've done pretty good there, after all. :-) Arnold

[9fans] study supporting the "unix cognitive style"

2011-11-14 Thread Aharon Robbins
Just skimmed this, but it's pretty interesting: http://blog.vivekhaldar.com/post/3339907908/the-cognitive-style-of-unix Arnold

[9fans] Fortran growing in absolute number of users

2011-12-01 Thread Aharon Robbins
An interesting tidbit I came across: http://software.intel.com/en-us/blogs/2011/09/24/fortran-is-more-popular-than-ever-intel-makes-it-fast/ Arnold

Re: [9fans] troff book

2011-12-02 Thread Aharon Robbins
> Date: Fri, 2 Dec 2011 14:02:29 +0100 > From: hugo rivera > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> > Subject: [9fans] troff book > > Hi, > soon I'll begin to write my thesis and I am planing to use troff. I > previously wrote some documents with it, mostly with the ms macro, >

Re: [9fans] how up to date are the PDF doc files on plan9.bell-labs.com?

2012-05-02 Thread Aharon Robbins
Hi Anthony. Thanks for the answers. > > Hi. Do the postscript / PDF files available from http://plan9.bell-labs.com > > reflect the current state of the system? I'm curious about both the > > reference> manual and the various files from /sys/doc. > > They do not. I've only verified that the mos

Re: [9fans] how up to date are the PDF doc files on plan9.bell-labs.com?

2012-05-02 Thread Aharon Robbins
> /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/doc.tbz THANKS! Copying now (via 9pfuse). Arnold

Re: [9fans] how up to date are the PDF doc files onplan9.bell-labs.com?

2012-05-03 Thread Aharon Robbins
> > Nothing wrong with printing. Having a physical copy of the manual > > is invaluable when things go sideways, and reading the papers on > > a high-DPI, non-reflective surface is a joy. Since I don't believe > > anyone has Plan 9 driving an e-Ink display (anyone? anyone?), > > paper does nicely.

[9fans] formatting the manual from plan9 ports?

2012-05-24 Thread Aharon Robbins
Is there a simple recipe to use p9p troff to format the manual pages from the plan 9 dist? I.e.: Install Plan 9 Ports wget plan9.iso from bell labs mount said iso /some/where 9 rc cd /some/where/sys/man # magic stuff here (Or tar off the dist to re

Re: [9fans] formatting the manual from plan9 ports?

2012-05-29 Thread Aharon Robbins
). Thanks, Arnold > From: pmarin > Date: Fri, 25 May 2012 21:08:18 +0200 > To: Fans of the OS Plan 9 from Bell Labs <9fans@9fans.net> > Subject: Re: [9fans] formatting the manual from plan9 ports? > > See the example in tr2post(1) > > On Thu, May 24, 2012 at 9:03 PM, Ahar

[9fans] [off topic] how one linux distro chooses to handle secure boot

2012-06-03 Thread Aharon Robbins
http://mjg59.dreamwidth.org/12368.html

[9fans] stripping down the kernel for an small embedded systems?

2012-09-03 Thread Aharon Robbins
Hi 9fans. A colleague asked me some questoins about the Plan 9 kernel that I could not answer. For a small x86-based embedded system (*deeply* embedded), how small would the Plan 9 kernel be if one removed the networking stack (TCP/IP, 9P) and all fiesystem code (except for access to a very few d

[9fans] off-topic: why linux lost the desktop

2012-10-17 Thread Aharon Robbins
This says a lot, rather nicely: http://tirania.org/blog/archive/2012/Aug-29.html Having lived through the Unix wars of the 80s and 90s, it's the same story all over again. (Or maybe the story never ended. Either way, the users are the ones who lost out.) Arnold

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-19 Thread Aharon Robbins
Hello Steve, 9fans. > I need to learn c++ for work - people have strong opinions on > languages I know, and not everyone likes c++ but its a requirment for me. > > I really want to develop a good sence of c++ style, I learnt C at the feet of > K&R and then the plan9 sourcecode so I learnt how to w

[9fans] fix for bwk awk problem with split

2012-12-15 Thread Aharon Robbins
This makes it work correctly for me on Linux. Not sure about 9awk. I have corresponded with BWK about this, including sending him this proposed patch. Arnold --- run.c.orig 2012-12-10 22:50:40.403115427 +0200 +++ run.c 2012-12-10 22:50:15.450991568 +0200 @@ -1216,6 +1216,

[9fans] off topic: full unicode support isn't easy

2013-07-23 Thread Aharon Robbins
FYI Creative usernames and Spotify account hijacking http://labs.spotify.com/2013/06/18/creative-usernames/ Arnold

[9fans] off topic: Intel taking aim at Raspberry Pi

2013-08-29 Thread Aharon Robbins
http://www.extremetech.com/computing/162698-intels-x86-minnowboard-ships-sets-si ght-on-raspberry-pi Arnold