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> On Jan 13, 2020, at 9:17 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
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> IWP92020 is happening. Submit papers and sign up here:
>
> http://iwp9.org
>
> Hope to see you there!
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So sorry to learn this. My favorite memory of jmk, though I never knew him
personally, was from 2003, when I was still learning how to engineer and hack
operating system kernels. He and I exchanged emails regarding the best way to
audit a kernel’s networking stack, as I had found some bugs in
Any source available?
> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:11 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
>
>
> There was a 5[ac] variant for Inferno (ta, tc) that produced Thumb code, and
> 5l could link Thumb and ARM32 code.
> That wasn't extended once Thumb-2 was issued, since it was different
gt; wrote:
>> It's utils/tc in the Inferno tree. 5a does both ARM32 and Thumb (because
>> it's abstract assembly), as does 5l.
>>
>>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:28 AM Don A. Bailey wrote:
>>> Any source available?
>>>
>>>>> On
Oh right. Thanks, Charles
> On Nov 5, 2020, at 6:59 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
>
>
> http://vitanuova.com/inferno/downloads.html
>
>> On Fri, Nov 6, 2020 at 12:51 AM Don A. Bailey wrote:
>> Where the heck is the inferno tree?
>>
>>>>
nouncements to the community. Please
>> consider following it; and if you tweet about Plan 9 or related topics,
>> please try to include this handle in your announcements.
>>
> Is that a good idea? I, for one, have no intention of ever sharing a
> medium with Donald Trump.
Lately, I have needed to do a great deal of my work on remote servers. It's
been difficult to do this with acme. Previously, I have attempted to run
acme entirely remotely, and then attach to a local devdraw instance
<https://github.com/mariusae/devdrawserver>. This works okay, but al
How do we get involved in or become a member of the foundation?
D
> On Feb 10, 2021, at 2:41 AM, Anthony Sorace wrote:
>
> We are pleased to announce the creation of the Plan 9 Foundation.
>
> The Foundation exists to promote and further the development of Plan 9 and
> re
> So I thought about sam, which I also like, although I have not used it as
much as acme. Sam has remote editing, which solves the latency and
bandwidth problem, but I prefer the acme right-click to navigate
compilation errors and grep results. So, can we combine acme and sam in a
meaningful
am Edouard Klein: Dr Glendarme or: How I Learned to Stop
> Kerberos and Love Factotum
> 11:15 am Jacob Moody: Namespaces as Security Domains
>
> 12:00 pm Lunch
>
> * Session 2: Storage *
>
> 1:30 pm Emil Tsalapatis, Ryan Hancock and Ali Jose Mashtizadeh: A 9P
> Server
st current) source for the distro and is it best practice to install it on hardware (RPI or other) or in a VM (which)? I'd like the mouse to work and the network... As unflakily as possible 😀.Will
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If you’re not running plan9 on a Simics Alpha DEC hosted on a PA-RISC B class workstation, are you even running plan9?On Aug 2, 2023, at 3:14 PM, redhatuser wrote:
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> oh well
>
>> On Sat, Aug 26, 2023 at 1:45 PM mkf wrote:
>>
>> I believe KVM on aarch64 would help aarch64 guests.
>> i could be wrong.
>>
>> On Sat, 26 Aug 2023 13:39:01 +0200
>> hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wr
Tbf I took it as genuine.
One reason I responded with no is that Rob noted that further 9 releases should
not be a release at all, but should be fluid updates through the network. I
think if 9 lives on it should be that was, as intended.
I am not a fan of the weird 9front split from the
I use it. It’s also my advice. It wasn’t “advice” from Rob, it was a design
choice. There’s more value in that than “advice”.
Not interested in your theoretical discussions or trolling. Thanks.
D
> On Jan 24, 2024, at 10:44 PM, Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote:
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pect I may have started to develop for you.
>
>> On Jan 25, 2024, at 08:44, Don Bailey wrote:
>>
>> I'm not sure what all this was, so I didn't read most of it.
>>
>> If 9front becomes the "mainline" 9, I will stop using 9 altogether. Both as
Yeah but we don’t necessarily need patches from 9front. The ones of good quality are really already being pulled in. Cinap does a lot of solid work. My only issue is seeing the two maintain a strong delineation, which I obviously prefer.On Jan 25, 2024, at 4:04 PM, Eli Cohen wrote:we'v
That’s why I use quotes around mainline.
And what you stated is also a big reason I’m not interested in 9front. No idea
what your direction is or what your interests are. I like a lot of the things
done by the core team, and the direction set by them. I’m not interested in
9front.
Seeing a
I’m aware you’re a member of the foundation.
What I want I think I’ve made clear. I do not want to see a formal release of
Plan 9 that includes anything from the 9front project. I do not want 9front
merged with what I tongue-in-cheek term “mainline” (9legacy / 9pio updated
patch sets). I’d
Hard agree.
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 5:30 PM, David Arnold wrote:
>
>
>>
>> On 26 Jan 2024, at 07:38, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
>
> <…>
>
>> If you have specific ways we can support people like you
>> taking up the torch and carrying plan 9 development forward,
>> please speak up and let us
Last I checked (you) were asking for people to sign up. What’s the actual
attendee count at this point?
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 5:33 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
>
> Also: We're organizing IWP9 largely as a forum
> for folks like you to figure out how to make this
> all h
It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper tantrum. A major
problem with people’s perspective of 9front and the current plan 9 community,
honestly.
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 6:35 PM, Jacob Moody wrote:
>
> On 1/25/24 16:03, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>> I’m aware
I look forward to not seeing 9front as a part of a formal release, then.
Thanks!
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 7:00 PM, o...@eigenstate.org wrote:
>
> Great; let me repeat one more time: The Plan 9
> foundation does not currently engage in technical
> work such as putting together
I literally don’t care.
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 8:18 PM, Jacob Moody wrote:
>
> On 1/25/24 17:38, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>> It’s telling that you see a difference of opinion as a temper tantrum. A
>> major problem with people’s perspective of 9front and the current
I don’t think you realize that you have your entire emotional perception of
this situation flipped.
This was a simple comment on why I strongly disagreed with VT’s request for a
5th Release. I explained myself. I did not get emotional, nor am I emotional
now. What I did receive is a lot of
Tough. ❤️
> On Jan 25, 2024, at 10:51 PM, Lucio De Re wrote:
>
> On 1/26/24, Don A. Bailey wrote:
>> I literally don’t care.
>>
> Then I don't think you belong here.
>
> If you believe you can excommunicate the majority of Plan 9
> contributors (have
Is this literally all AI bots just talking to themselves On Aug 7, 2024, at 7:53 PM, Clout Tolstoy wrote:For spi, you will may have to write your own driver. There are a few helpful guides on YouTube from adventuresin9 on this subject. I've only booted 9front on a pi 4B. On Wed, Aug 7, 20
hi,
using 9atom.iso from Apr 19, installation completes but boot freezes.
here is the transcript:
cpu0: ...
pat: ...
ELCR: CC28
pcirouting: ignoring south bridge PCI 0.31.0 8086/2810
oni 0x732 phyno 1, mccv=0x3800, phyv=0x002
#l0: rtl8169: 100Mb parport 0x6800 irq 10 tu 1514:001a9272efe7
#S/sd
no PATA drives, just SATA-II, it worked before, but stopped to, I
thought it was damaged but surface scan was OK, I reinstalled, but the
problem persists. it well may be also caused by the fact that I,
in the meantime, used that box with linux IDE discs, so I fiddled with
BIOS, sory...
pet
>
> does resetting bios help?
no. i tried (almost) all combinations that came on my mind.there
is also some JMicron SATA option that I recall it caused me problems
with this same disk installation some half-a-year ago...Aug 11 2009
actually, the disk stopped to boot with the original na
ms 1
>> #S/sdE ahci: Sata II with 4 ports
>> 2047M memory, 256M kernel data, 1791m user, 2416 swap
>
> if you have an ide cdrom, could you try booting without?
>
> i spend a few hrs the other day poking around at a similar
> problem. my atom board will not reboot via
>
> do you see /dev/sd* ?
yes!
++pac
OT:
Ruda, if you are located in CZ, please, contact me at cej_at_gli_cas_cz,
(s/at/@/; s/_/./, of course)
it would be nice to have some plan9ist here, I sit at Prague. Thanks!
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/plan_9_wiki/
One of the ugliest interface in Unix is passing a file descriptor between
processes [1]. Does Plan9 provide any mechanism for it?
[1]
http://book.chinaunix.net/special/ebook/addisonWesley/APUE2/0201433079/ch17lev1sec4.html
--
Kirill A. Shutemov
hi, friends!!
i've (almost) ported the pslib library, natively, compiles fine, but the 8l
complaints when linking it to a simple prog. the stuff is on
/n/sources/contrib/pac/sys/src/libpslib-0.4.1.tbz
read the file 'BUGS'
please, help,
thanks, have a great weekend,
peter (aka ++pac)
the error message is like this:
8l box.8 pslib.8 ...
??none?? incompatible type signetures c2d44e4 (pslib.8) and affc2df4
(pslist.8) for dlst_freenode
what does it mean?
++pac
dlst_freenode is declared in pslist.h, which is included
in pslict.c as well as in pslist.h
the type is 'void'
thanks, ++pac
On Mon, Mar 14, 2011 at 10:33 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote:
> it means that dlst_freenode is declared as one type in the scope of pslib.c
> and another different type in the
sorry, type is void *fn()
void *dlist_newnode(DLIST *l, int size);
the code is on 'contrib/pac', see earlier in this thread,
thanks,
++pac
folks,
thank you very much, I'll try to follow the ideas outlined,
despite it was probably a crazy idea to port such a dinosaur (sorry, uwe),
so,
do we have some decent function collection to emit PostScript??
I thought first that I'll find them in /sys/src/cmd/map/,
but I was wrong;
the
> sounds like a job for pic(1) - A friend of troff. Troff has a > postscript
backend,
pic if fine, but I think it can't do areas delimited by bezier curves, and
filled w/color+hash, does it?
BTW, ps2pdf (it is a part of gs, isn't it?) emitted a (huge) bitmap wrapped
in pdf, las
wrote:
> graphviz package in my contrib is (I believe) documented here:
>
> graphviz is OK, i just wanted to steal some ps-generating functions from
psgen.c (in dotneato/common) but i was not sure abou the meaning of some
params...
do you think that psgen.c would be a candidate for a li
Thanks to all who helped me! Libps, a native PostScript generating library,
is on contrib:
/n/sources/contrib/pac/sys/src/lib/libps.tbz
It is a fork from pslib-0.4.1. It is still a big mess, some warnings about
unused vars, etc, during compiling, but a simple testing program links and
works
What form of diff and relative to what?
Where to post?
On Tue, 29 Mar 2011 10:58:55 -0700 John Floren wrote:
On Tue, Mar 29, 2011 at 10:46 AM, John A. Grahor wrote:
What form of diff and relative to what?
Where to post?
man 1 patch
Sorry, I was too terse. I'm using plan9port. (9 man 1 patch) == nothing.
Is this the wrong lis
Hi, folks,
GhostScript 8.53 (current plan9 ported version, if I understand it right)
has a problem with rendering EPS patterns:
http://www.stratigraphy.cz/8.53.png
while 9.01 is OK:
http://www.stratigraphy.cz/9.01.png
Does anybody maintain the GS port? I am ready to contribute, if you lead
http://asn1.elibel.tm.fr/en/index.htm
http://www.nokalva.com/asn1/booksintro.html
http://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/IEB/ToolBox/SDKDOCS/ASNLIB.HTML
ftp://ftp.ncbi.nih.gov/toolbox/ncbi_tools/sdkdoc/
hope this would be of some help,
best regards,
++pac
do you mean 'graph', or 'chart' ?
++pac
spaces in filenames.. does not it break the rules?? Who actually needs
them??
++pac
please, do not
compromise the ideas... believe me, it was not very much easy to me to throw
away all the boilerplate apps served on linux and do the C port of many
(>70) of them to switch to native plan9, but i feel it was one of the best
decisions in my (professional) life, and remember, i am not a
i was overly emotional, sorry. i also overlooked that the debate is about
drawterm, a non-plan9 program. doubly sorry.
still, to my taste, to much effort is devoted to things outside the
system... however, i am not an MBA, maybe, it is all right.
wishing a fantastic day,
++pac
> >>it's always all right not to be an MBA
> not here ;-)
>
> "The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid) acronym has been popular in business
for decades, but its message has never been more important and, or useful
for many." -- Rob Tannen
yes!!
>
> > BTW, I hate porting bloatware to clean, compact and efficient Plan 9.
>
so do i, however, sometimes time (
Hi, friend,
sry 4 a bit offending response:
IMHO, maybe, you should get a 0.5 GB partition & try to run p9 natively,
believe me, or not, it is worth to. Or, get a $20 i386
box and install p9 on it. And yes, I am not a techie, I am a paleobiologist
w/some basic skills on C programming. Yes,
... so do I, except of testing c++ and other stuff on linux first,
cross fingers, man, and welcome aboard ;-) !!
++pac
de of the
window
scrollbars are thin, too, with a "pop-out" slider tool
could be improved, of course
however, not a bad idea, IMHO
I always wanted to get rid of all that pixel-consuming stuff...
another way would, perhaps, be using keyboard for vert/hor scrolling, but I
feel that there's
ceive anything but a command frame [==window]
inside of Acme... if only were i skilled enough to write it, and test it...
i am not :-(
Thanks for your opinion, anyway,
best,
++pac
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:14 PM, simon softnet wrote:
> I don't like it, but it's just my humble opini
ah, page, yes!! if only we could have editable menus (i mean something like
an acme tagline) ... there's a strange ambiguity: acme-style, or
rio-style
On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:21 PM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> You know page, right?
> acme window borders ar
replaced by an [editable] command frame ... yes, i cant prove it, sust a
silly idea... butb still feeling a disconcert between rio and acme ui
paradigm... cant it be unified?
thanks for listening,
++pac
sorry, i dont understand. if i have >20 files open in acme (yes, i'm silly),
and i want to see just two of them at once, my screen is spoilt by useless
taglines, saying all the time all the same: Cut Paste Snarf Look etc
dont you perceive it as sucking??
++pac
> > No. your editor window would
> you can hide all-but-one taglines with right- (rathre than middle-) click
> on
> tagline's `layout box' (the square to the left)
>
>
> yes, i know, and i am aware also of the two-column method that andrey
suggested above; however, a wide screen (1980) would then be
> occupied by WIMP controls. Tasteless.
sorry, i had just the slider idea on my mind, sending a better img:
http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/slider.png<http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png>
still tasateless?
> PS: Gestures requires no controls.
i d
> in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into
margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets.
yes!! i agree 100%
last night i couldn't sleep for a while, so i tried to imagine acme as a
whole screen ui, w/o any taglines, ctrl-boxes, and sliders... howeve
> MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating
margins? Do they actually never try to read anything using
i'm not a comp nerd, rathe a biologist, however, and therefore, i like
simple, yet working designs how do you use margins?
> The whole setup ...
i have it somewhere, if you can wait till Monday,
have a look: www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/Default.htm
++pac
On Fri, Jul 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, EBo wrote:
> On Fri, 15 Jul 2011 15:07:06 +0100, Connor Lane Smith wrote:
>
>> Can anyone suggest how to change the background win
hi, folks,
i am aware of that my behaviour is not m uch plan9-ish, but, i found useful
the option 'update==rewrite, when newer' when merging directory trees from
different sources ... tar has a -k option, what about to add -u option?? and
wkat about cpdir -u?? kenji?
thanks, best regards,
++pac
hi, folks,
i am aware of that my behaviour is not m uch plan9-ish, but, i found useful
the option 'update==rewrite, when newer' when merging directory trees from
different sources ... tar has a -k option, what about to add -u option?? and
wkat about cpdir -u?? kenji?
thanks, best regards,
++pac
Thank you!
> test file1 -nt file2 && cp file1 file2
would it run on native plan9, too?
thanks, peter, aka
++pac
ll within Amazon's return
> window. Can anyone recommend a 2 TB SATA drive that works on our
> favorite operating system out of the box at full speed? If it's quiet
> and cheap, all the better.
>
> > let me think a bit about the correct solutions to this. it's clear
>
t-of-the-box. I had
first to switch to "Treat SATA as AHCI" in BIOS...then I installed from
9atom.iso (not the newest version, however). I still have a huge amount of
data on an ext2 formatted HD, because ext2srv had problems with too many
files/subdirs. I think I will have to write a tar
No error, no crash. Just some files/dirs are not copied to new destination.
du -s gives different number on linux vs. ext2srv/plan9 native./ Also, du -a
| wc -l differ. I was not able to identify any system in which files/ dirs
do not appear on ext2srv. First, i thought that dirs with > 120 fi
> > i'd rather have a window like win that would operate on the same
> principle
> > as the sam edit window.
>
>
>
So do I.
++pac
> > By the way, I patched acme so that | (the pipe symbol) can take an
>
Is the patch on sources?
++pac
Thanks!
> The acme version in contrib/yiyus includes this and some other
>
i never could get libthreaded applications to run properly in OSX Lion.
i've tried with both XCode 4.1 and 4.2.
however, disabling -O2 seems to do the trick. go figure. haven't tried that on
XCode 4.1-- but would be curious to hear results.
marius.
¶
diff -r 8735d7708a1b bin/9c
--
Rest in peace, dear Sir, ad thank you for C...
++pac
Sorry, I was wrong : I am running plan9/fossil on a 1TB WD Caviar disk:
WD1002FBYS, however, this is not what you wanted, sorry.
++pac
On Thu, Oct 6, 2011 at 9:35 AM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> i use WD Caviar
> Green<http://www.wdc.com/en/products/products.asp?DriveID=773>model
I have 2 yrs old 1TB SATA Caviar that most of its lifetime spent in a bin in
my table... waiting just for data backup (ext2)... after 2yrs2months (and
only few hours really spinning) it has 16 bad sectors, sigh ... it is
WD1002FBYS ... just warning, regards,
++pac
#!/bin/rc
# burn a CD from ISO-9660 image on $home/cd.iso
# version 0.03
# Thu Jul 3 06:35:32 EDT 2003
rfork e
t1 =`{date}
kill cdfs | rc
kill 9660srv | rc
cdfs -d /dev/sdD0
cp $home/cd.iso /mnt/cd/wd || echo CD BURNING ERROR
t2 =`{date}
echo begin: $t1
echo end: $t2
# -eof-
> PS.: also, the example doesn't fixate the disk. Should it? Shouldn't
> it? (Why is this (un)needed?)
>
>
I don't know. I do not use isofs anymore. I rather write a tar file to
raw CD. Maybe I am crazy, but it works fine for me, at least for
backup.
Sorry, I didn't manage to record my own version of this song, restn in
peace, Sir
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J5LNTTGDKYo
Hello,
please, if you wish, take a look at my old thesis, we can apply for a grant
to get it online, polished, hopefully in "Go" language golang.org running
on plan9 native
http://www.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/model/probab-model.pdf [ps]
however, I have no funding at present time, so
which is the current distribution of 9go: by ron at golang.org, or at
contrib/lucio?
I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9
thanks, regards, ++pac
okay, I'll try all three possibilities, however, how to extract files from
lucio's go.ext? I see that it is plain text... thanks, ++pac
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:21 AM, andrey mirtchovski
wrote:
> > I have written some go code on linux and i want to move it under 9
> > thanks, regards, ++pac
>
>
gt; disk/mkfs, see the man page (man mkext). But I'd rather hand you a
> fresher release, if you can be patient. Right now I need a new web
> proxy as the transparent one my ISP supplies can't reach Google
> (sigh!).
>
> ++L
>
>
>
Or, you can use http://www.uschovna.cz if it is not over 200MiB
On Fri, Nov 25, 2011 at 8:34 AM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> Can you share it over ftp or http? thanks, happy advent, Peter.
>
>
sorry, I never tried cross-compiling. I started here:
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cross_compiler#GCC_and_cross_compilation, and
http://www.cis.upenn.edu/~milom/cross-compile.html
what should be switch --target=some-target set to?
> your best bet is to cross-compile on Linux. set GOOS to plan9
$ ./make.bash > /dev/null
make: *** [executable.o] Error 1
make: *** Waiting for unfinished jobs
do i need to merge rminnich-9go with go.googlecode.com/hg/ go???
thanks, peter
bash: ./make.bash: No such file or directory
I guess I should merge rminnich-9go with go.googlecode.com/hg/ go ??
thanks, ++pac
Dearest Folks,
I would like to wish you all a peaceful Christmas and a well-lived
(unsure whether this is the correct word in English) new year.
Please, feel free to download a little Christmas present from me, and yes,
you can redistribute, if you wish (and if you like it). It is here
I can send you some papers on awk that I have collected over years, if you
are interested. Sorry, I do not remember links. Just write me at tyapca
[at] gmail.com
best,
peter
no, it is a calendar, photographed and typeset by me... sorry if you don't
like it,
best,
++pac
ps: i dont send viruses to my friends... ;-)
I experienced the same when pulling system files after some time of not
upgrading. Also, I am pretty sure that I have not modified those files
listed as modified locally. I tried pull -s *, but it did not work at all.
Thanks,
Peter.
yes, I expected that. thanks! Peter
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 10:17 AM, Steve Simon wrote:
...
No, not disgusting... I gonna do that, inspect the list, and do a pull. I
think I have cfg files backupped (at least, n-1 ;-)
On Tue, Dec 20, 2011 at 2:23 PM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> ...
list of -s'es and run pull again?
> disgusting, no?
>
I use Ron Minnich's distribution from http://code.google.com/r/rminnich-9go/
It compiles fine on native plan9-386. I had to do some minor changes,
however. Get this tarball, unpack and cpdir -m to $GOROOT
It is somewhat outdated compared to Lucio's version (this is 60.2)
Just do:
## Go language in
I forgot the link to the changed files, i shall put the tarball on
contrib/pac in a few minutes
++pac
On Tue, Jan 3, 2012 at 12:06 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote:
> I use Ron Minnich's distribution from
> http://code.google.com/r/rminnich-9go/
> It compiles fine on native plan9-38
now it is on contrib/pac/9go.tbz
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