Re: [9fans] 9front sam in plan9port.

2016-05-21 Thread James A. Robinson
If you mean Russ's project, as referred to on that link, yes. https://swtch.com/plan9port/ I am using it under Mac OS X now, mainly for acme and sam. I've tried it under Linux years ago and it seemed just as solid (I am guessing Russ initially developed it under Linux). Jim On Sat, May 21, 201

Re: [9fans] 9front sam in plan9port.

2016-05-21 Thread James A. Robinson
On Sat, May 21, 2016 at 9:33 AM wrote: > No, it appears to be the 9front version (2014, with mouse chords in > samterm/main.c ), ported to plan9port. > Ok, the wording on that site is a bit odd to me. The name plan9port is a project Russ Cox wrote, so the wording A port of 9front

Re: [9fans] bufreset deletes b->nbl-1 blocks?

2016-08-12 Thread James A. Robinson
But delblock only calls memmove if i is less then b->nbl, which was just decremented, correct? So isn't the memmove just to cover the case where you are deleting a block that isn't at the very end? Jim

Re: [9fans] bufreset deletes b->nbl-1 blocks?

2016-08-12 Thread James A. Robinson
On Fri, Aug 12, 2016 at 8:32 AM Costin Chirvasuta wrote: > > So isn't the memmove just to cover the case where you are > > deleting a block that isn't at the very end? > > Yes, but from what I understand i is always lower. > > Say b->nbl starts at 10. i=

Re: [9fans] bufreset deletes b->nbl-1 blocks?

2016-08-12 Thread James A. Robinson
Have you checked whether or not that final block is special in some way? For example only mapped to memory and not to disk blocks? Jim

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

2016-09-01 Thread James A. Robinson
I used to use sam exclusively on my Linux machine. I had to stop after I switched to Mac OS X many years ago. A few years later I picked up acme, and have been using it since. I also find that, for some reason I can't explain, I have rarely reached for the Edit X// command in a scratch w

Re: [9fans] Musings on Interfaces

2016-09-01 Thread James A. Robinson
ked syntactically, even though I use LaTeX. ​So you couldn't do something like clicking on the start and typing in a .,// where holds the last few words of the text range you wanted to select? I understand not having regular markup like a program, but if a few words could be used to identify

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 port to Raspberry Pi 3 Model B (ARM64)?

2016-09-07 Thread James A. Robinson
Now I'm so tempted to get a stack of Raspberry Pi 3 and this case: https://www.amazon.com/GeauxRobot-Raspberry-Model-6-layer-Enclosure/dp/B01D9130QC/ref=sr_1_32 On Thu, Mar 3, 2016 at 6:53 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > Getting Plan 9 to boot on the pi3 (in 32

[9fans] Question re source trees

2016-09-29 Thread James A. Robinson
berry Pi were getting folded back into a source tree available via means other than those with an active plan9 system (I see references to /n/sources/contrib/miller which I assume is a 9fs mount). I was specifically curious because I wanted to poke around to get sense of what kind of suppo

Re: [9fans] Question re source trees

2016-09-29 Thread James A. Robinson
​Thank you for the answer, that's very generous of ​you and your client! (I had thought the http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources site was having trouble, looks like maybe it's just Chrome getting aggressive about HTTPS and failing, I can open the page w/ lynx). Jim

[9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread James A. Robinson
Is anyone here using Plan 9 as a terminal to connect to remote CPU / File servers over the internet to get work done? If I set up a small Plan 9 cluster at home, I'm thinking it'd be pretty neat to be able to connect to the network at home over the internet. While I have a laptop and

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread James A. Robinson
It would be interesting to hear how this works out in practice. The > bandwidth requirement is probably so low compared to typical traffic from a > hotel, compared even to smart phones. >

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-09-30 Thread James A. Robinson
I was thinking about things like this: http://www.ohgizmo.com/2011/05/20/ohgizmo-review-verbatim-wireless-bluetooth-mobile-keyboard/ On Fri, Sep 30, 2016 at 3:56 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > since i've never been in a cheap motel room with a keyboard and usable > 3-butto

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson
Thank you for sharing your thoughts. On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 1:06 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > i don't see a mouse in this keyboard. the keys have non-standard size > and i'm sure it sucks to type on it. also once you add up the size of > the pi, the pi case, t

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson
Honestly I had been assuming one of those usb battery packs would work. :) On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 4:59 AM Chris McGee wrote: I found some $4 voltage regulators that will convert 18v Lithium ion drill batteries to power my Pi. Could be useful for field work.

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson
I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000 made me think of your thread here: https://goo.gl/PO85oD

Re: [9fans] Questions on the browser as a platform if plan 9 had gained marketshare

2016-10-01 Thread James A. Robinson
Oh, and for anyone who hates web pages but were on the mailing list back then, it is the "[9fans] Gecko based web browser" thread from 2000-07-18. :-P On Sat, Oct 1, 2016 at 8:03 AM James A. Robinson wrote: > I was browsing of my old plan 9 mail and this conversation from 2000 ma

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread James A. Robinson
On Sun, Oct 2, 2016 at 2:13 AM Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > I've tried accessing plan 9 using vnc from a touchscreen tablet, > and yes it does suck. Rio and acme really do want a mouse. > > With a multitouch screen it's possible somebody could think up

[9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com hates AppleWebKit?

2016-10-02 Thread James A. Robinson
So... Does Alcatel-Lucent have a problem with AppleWebKit users on principle? It looks to me as though my problem with browsing around under http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/ (and other subpages) is because the server doesn't like the User-Agent string: $ telnet plan9.bell-labs.com 80 T

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread James A. Robinson
As Chris indicated, the keyboard modifiers let you simulate buttons 2 or 3. The remaining issue is the chording combinations, selecting with 1 and then clicking 2 (cut) or 3 (paste), or having some copied text and using 2-1 to execute with args. The patch I mentioned helps with those, letting you

Re: [9fans] 9P - Meaning of iounit

2016-10-03 Thread James A. Robinson
On Mon, Oct 3, 2016 at 6:54 AM Chris McGee wrote: > Lately, I’m looking at the “iounit.” Initially, I had thought of it as a > way to give the size of a file on Topen. After some testing I realized that > the network subsystem in plan9 is expecting the iounit to be large enough &

[9fans] What does your fileserver consist of?

2016-10-11 Thread James A. Robinson
Folks, One of the things I'm thinking about is setting up a full Plan 9 cluster, meaning one of the components would be a stand-alone fileserver hooked up to a decent amount of storage. I was wondering what experience people have had with slower or faster machines in this role? I was wond

Re: [9fans] What does your fileserver consist of?

2016-10-12 Thread James A. Robinson
Ha, looks familiar: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtherDrive https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/EtherDrive#/media/File:EtherDriveCluster.JPG Very neat, thank you for the description. But it's probably a bit more than I can fit into my closet. :-P On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 11:31 AM Brantley

Re: [9fans] 3D graphics as a filesystem

2016-10-12 Thread James A. Robinson
I wonder if the Inferno guys did anything like that. There was a youtube video from John Floren talking about his work replacing Java w/ Inferno on an Android phone and I think he mentioned some ideas he had consider w/re to driving graphics using a 9p interface. On Wed, Oct 12, 2016 at 4:03 PM

Re: [9fans] What does your fileserver consist of?

2016-10-13 Thread James A. Robinson
Thank you to everyone for their answer. It sounds like the safest route is for me to build a small computer to handle the role of fileserver. The last time I built a cluster I know I could PXE boot the terminals, but as I recall I set up the auth and fileservers using a CD. Is it possible and

Re: [9fans] NEC building Raspberry Pi 3s into its displays

2016-10-15 Thread James A. Robinson
Ah, that's too bad. I suppose there's nothing to prevent someone from getting a VESA mount enclosure and just bolting onto the back of a monitor of their choice, but it'd have been kind of neat to just buy a monitor w/ rpi like you can pick up an imac. :) On Sat, Oct 15, 2016 at

Re: [9fans] NEC building Raspberry Pi 3s into its displays

2016-10-18 Thread James A. Robinson
Good point, thank you. The reason I keep talking about the RPi is that I know it's (mostly) supported and I can buy it from a reseller that I (mostly) trust. :) I was looking at putting together a system for a file server, and I've come to the conclusion that I'll have to build i

[9fans] Fossil+Venti system memory requirements to be aware of?

2016-10-19 Thread James A. Robinson
Anyone able to tell me whether or not there are disk size limits I should beware of given a limited amount of system memory in a file server? What I'm wanting to try and do is get a hardware RAID1+0 enclosure and put in 20TB of disk (so 10TB of usable space). The board I am looking at will

Re: [9fans] Fossil+Venti system memory requirements to be aware of?

2016-10-19 Thread James A. Robinson
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 10:13 AM Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > There are cheaper ways of disposing of 10TB of data. > If I decide the configuration is problematic I'm sure I can repurpose the device. Besides, the costs of spinning disk these days is amazingly low. As, I think, the developers for Pl

Re: [9fans] What does your fileserver consist of?

2016-10-22 Thread James A. Robinson
For you folks with an Intel Atom D525 based motherboard in your fileserver, do you run with a fanless? Use heatsink? Use a fan? Use liquid cooling? Use a quantum heat sink? Jim

[9fans] Venti off-site backups

2016-10-26 Thread James A. Robinson
I see several threads about how people are cloning their Venti servers to remote Venti servers as a means of creating a backup. Reading over the man pages, I assume it's also possible to do something like use rdarena to dump an arena out, encrypt it, and put the encrypted arena into a r

Re: [9fans] acme tag bars stacking

2016-10-28 Thread James A. Robinson
I suspect one reason for placing the stack at the bottom is that it gives you a consistent area to target, at the top, when going back to work on your primary window. If they were stacked top down then, depending on how many files you had open, you might have to more carefully target how to get

[9fans] 9atom - odd error during build phase

2016-10-29 Thread James A. Robinson
Hi folks, I've put together the parts for the CPU unit that I want to use as a fileserver. I haven't gotten the parts for the actual disk array yet, but the machine got a local SSD in it and I figured that would be good enough to at least install a standalone system on. This is on a

[9fans] fossil vs. fossil+venti in 9atom installation?

2016-10-31 Thread James A. Robinson
I was looking over the 9atom install script and I saw it appeared to code in support for building filesystems based on kfs, fossil, or fossil+venti, but it only surfaced kfs and fossil+venti. I was wondering why that was. Does anyone know? Jim

Re: [9fans] Fossil+Venti system memory requirements to be aware of?

2016-11-02 Thread James A. Robinson
On Wed, Oct 19, 2016 at 9:47 AM Steven Stallion wrote: > In short, start small and grow as needed. For reference, when I ran > Coraid's fs based on 64-bit Ken's (WORM only, no dedupe) in RWC > (based on the main fs in Athens). Over the course of a few years > the entire WO

[9fans] cyberpower ups serial line?

2016-11-03 Thread James A. Robinson
Has anyone put together a serial line handler for a CyberPower UPS? Something along the lines of the one for an APC UPS? http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/apc.rc Jim

[9fans] VoCore SoC?

2016-11-03 Thread James A. Robinson
This looks like it might be of interest to others on the list: http://vocore.io/ Jim

[9fans] q re /sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/prep.c:240

2016-11-04 Thread James A. Robinson
So I noticed that if I run disk/prep -b -a^(arenas isect bloom) against my disk it goes ahead and creates a partition table that has arenas starting at sector 0. If I manually create partitions, /sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/prep.c:24 guards against using sectors 0 and 1 unless it's a 9fat part

[9fans] /sys/src/9/port/portfns.h execregs uint vs ulong

2016-11-04 Thread James A. Robinson
While futzing around with rebuilding a kernel, I noticed that 9atom distributed source tree /sys/src/9/port/portfns.h declares void* execregs(uintptr, uint, uint) but /sys/src/9/pc/trap.c declares long execregs(ulong entry, ulong ssize, ulong nargs) which seems to match all the other

Re: [9fans] q re /sys/src/cmd/disk/prep/prep.c:240

2016-11-04 Thread James A. Robinson
On Fri, Nov 4, 2016 at 1:43 PM Steve Simon wrote: > The usual process is to use prep first to create a windows etc > compatible partition table with one big partition called plan9. > then subdivide that. > > see the recipie near the end of the format(1) manpage. > > why part

Re: [9fans] IWP9

2016-11-08 Thread James A. Robinson
And will the Proceedings be called 9p? On Tue, Nov 8, 2016 at 1:31 PM michaelian ennis wrote: I just realized that the next would be the 9th International Workshop on Plan 9. I wonder where it will be. Ian

Re: [9fans] What does your fileserver consist of?

2016-11-09 Thread James A. Robinson
Ah, I'm not familiar with those. I ended up buying a fairly old board, but one I knew would work (for everything) with the plan 9 kernels. I got a Supermicro X7SPA-H-D525, and while it isn't amazingly zippy (11 sec to build /sys/src/9/pc) it seems to be fast enough to be a file server

Re: [9fans] Job interview questions

2016-11-09 Thread James A. Robinson
ane”, I am at a loss. Any hints from the group? > Happy to help. > 1) What is the base object in .Net Despair. > 2) Which version of Asp.Net MVC have you used The wrong one. > 3) Explain MVC in general The 'model' is your database connection

[9fans] Purism laptops

2016-11-11 Thread James A. Robinson
Have folks seen https://puri.sm/ ? Their description of how they are trying to put together "open" hardware (not 100% there yet) makes me wonder if it'd be open enough w/re to hardware specs to make it a target for Plan 9 porting/support. Jim

Re: [9fans] Purism laptops

2016-11-11 Thread James A. Robinson
he 15". I guess they haven't got enough traction yet to be on a regular build cycle (makes me think of the issues getting ahold of One Plus One phone). On Fri, Nov 11, 2016 at 3:41 PM Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > Those things really aren't cheap, are they... >

Re: [9fans] Purism laptops

2016-11-12 Thread James A. Robinson
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 8:19 AM, Andrés Domínguez wrote: > D​​o they really make open hardware? In what aspect > is their hardware more open than any other laptop? Hi, A summary would bet hat typically the hardware drivers that are run on a computer come in two possible forms, either

Re: [9fans] Purism laptops

2016-11-12 Thread James A. Robinson
On Sat, Nov 12, 2016 at 1:12 PM Harri Haataja wrote: > https://puri.sm/learn/blobs/ Indeed, blobs seems to be one point. > > Another thing seems to be that they advertise that these laptops > have no hidden features or remote control. How they could claim to > guarantee this and

[9fans] Maintenance of an auth server files vs a dns+dhcp+tftp server

2016-11-15 Thread James A. Robinson
Folks, For a multi-machine network of Plan 9 services, would it be normal to have an authsrv machine that only runs that service, and uses a standalone local filesystem, and then have a separate server running dns+dhcp+tftp to PXE boot client machines. The latter would be backed by a 3rd machine

Re: [9fans] Maintenance of an auth server files vs a dns+dhcp+tftp server

2016-11-15 Thread James A. Robinson
So in a canonical installation the auth server mounts its root from the file server? On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:47 AM Stanley Lieber wrote: > The idea is that there is one file system shared by all the neighboring > systems. The canonical Plan 9 installation comprises one disk file server

Re: [9fans] Maintenance of an auth server files vs a dns+dhcp+tftp server

2016-11-15 Thread James A. Robinson
Ah, ok. I'll try that. Thank you! On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 11:05 AM Stanley Lieber wrote: > "James A. Robinson" wrote: > > >So in a canonical installation the auth server mounts its root from the > >file server? > > > >On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 10:4

Re: [9fans] Maintenance of an auth server files vs a dns+dhcp+tftp server

2016-11-15 Thread James A. Robinson
That sounds *very* useful. Thank you! I had 9atom installed, but was planning to try out 9front next (probably this weekend). Jim On Tue, Nov 15, 2016 at 4:23 PM wrote: > you might take a look at 9front devtls and libsec. it does support > tls1.1 and tls1.2. including ecdsa, ecdhe

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-16 Thread James A. Robinson
On Wed, Nov 16, 2016 at 3:54 PM Chris McGee wrote: > A C compiler that supports the latest spec would be nice as long as it > doesn't sacrifice compile times. I like how quickly the system can > recompile itself. Maybe extend pcc to include new features? > I'll admit to

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 5th Edition

2016-11-19 Thread James A. Robinson
9fans - best served dry.

Re: [9fans] How to take a portion of a screenshot

2016-11-23 Thread James A. Robinson
On Wed, Nov 23, 2016 at 12:33 PM Benjamin Purcell wrote: > even simpler: > > tojpg < /mnt/wsys/window > window.jpg Simpler because you're capturing a specific window in this case?

[9fans] raspberry pi root over tcp

2016-11-24 Thread James A. Robinson
Hi folks, I can boot a raspberry pi using its local fossil, and I can mount a remote fileserver using 9fs once it is booted. Next, I wanted to try and mount the filesystem as the pi's root. Based on this http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/8/plan9.ini http://man.cat-v.org/plan_9/8/boot I tried

Re: [9fans] raspberry pi root over tcp

2016-11-25 Thread James A. Robinson
On Thu, Nov 24, 2016 at 11:11 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > > panic: boot process died: undefined instruction: pc 0x605c > > I bet that's a SWPW instruction - valid for armv5, deprecated > for armv6, and illegal for armv7. > > You probably

[9fans] Proof of concept inertial scrolling on macOS with devdraw/acme

2017-02-26 Thread marius a. eriksen
It’s surprisingly pleasant to use (with a Mac laptop, a Magic Trackpad or aMagic Mouse) Demo here: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1XJFJ4coS48&feature=youtu.be commit d782c880d4ca30fcacddfbab298dad82fe8277c3 Author: marius a. eriksen Date: Sat Feb 25 21:48:50 2017 -0800 devdraw/

Re: [9fans] Reimplementing Plan 9 in Go (Was: Re: [9front] bio io functions)

2017-05-06 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
"clive was just another attempt"...oh, no... Clive is dead ??? On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 10:18 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: > I don’t now if clive or not, > > but, I think the world has changed and I’d like to get a plan9 like > environment > but considering as the

Re: [9fans] Reimplementing Plan 9 in Go (Was: Re: [9front] bio io functions)

2017-05-06 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
Cross fingers... On Sat, May 6, 2017 at 3:17 PM, Fran. J Ballesteros wrote: > not yet. > sorry for the "was". > > El 6 may 2017, a las 15:12, Peter A. Cejchan escribió: > > "clive was just another attempt"...oh, no... Clive is dead ??? > >

Re: [9fans] Acme Edit to remove lines

2017-05-26 Thread James A. Robinson
You ought to be able to just add '\n' to the end of your expression in an 'x//' + 'd' command sequence. For example, "search the file for lines starting with [a-z] and delete the entire line" would be: Edit ,x/^[a-z].+\n/d On Fri, May 26, 2017 at 7:23 AM d

[9fans] v9fs authentication question

2017-06-05 Thread James A. Robinson
If I want to be able to use v9fs to mount a plan9 fileserver as a specific user, do I need to provide credentials via plan9port factotum? Drawterm takes an argument about which authentication server to talk to, but the directions I see for v9fs seem to only talk about USER environment variables

[9fans] Do you use fossil or venti under Linux?

2017-06-06 Thread James A. Robinson
While I was playing around getting v9fs mounts to work, I see that plan9port has added fossil and venti at some point. I was curious whether or not anyone was actually running these under Linux? Jim

[9fans] Edit X// and with a pipe in plan9port?

2017-06-28 Thread James A. Robinson
So let's say I have an Edit line Edit ,x,(^//.+\n)+(const|func|type|var) , x,^(// [^ \t].*\n|//\n)+,|sed 's:^//::'|fmt|sed 's:^://:' that I can use in a tag to reformat comments in a body. I noticed that while it's possible to run an Edit with an X from a sep

Re: [9fans] Inferno on Plan9

2017-12-30 Thread James A. Robinson
sy to bring in people to program on a Linux based platform, easier than bringing people in to learn an OS they probably haven't even heard of. On Sat, Dec 30, 2017 at 3:37 AM, Andre Wingor wrote: > On 12/29/17, Brian L. Stuart wrote: > ​ > > ​[...] > I don't understand why

Re: [9fans] simple rc problem in p9p (on OpenBSD)

2018-06-13 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Thu, Apr 26, 2018, at 8:01 PM, Costin Chirvasuta wrote: > I lot of the messages on this list end up being marked as spam. I > believe there was a previous discussion about this. I've had no trouble with this list on fastmail.fm , for what it's worth.

[9fans] looking for tcl/tk sam clone

2018-06-13 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
i had a copy of sam clone written entirely in tcl/tk, "tsam" or something, but I've lost it. where can i download it from, please? -- The lyf so short, the craft so long to lerne. -- Chaucer

Re: [9fans] how to undo in Rio shell window and Acme editor?

2018-06-13 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
As a small extra hint if you ever need to work outside Acme, any delete of selected text is effectively a cut. You can paste it back in. I used to use that like undo all the time. On Wed, May 9, 2018, at 7:32 AM, 刘宇宝 wrote: > Hi all, > > Recently I started an adventure to 9front and f

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-20 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
ant I could miss things sometimes, such as a clue in a room description or a private message while travelling -- noscroll isn't really feasible when you're following someone rapidly through a dozen rooms, each with their own description. I never got around to filtering different kinds o

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-21 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, at 8:20 AM, Mart Zirnask wrote: > On 21/06/2018, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > >... I no longer have a desk of > > the right proportions to make mouse use comfortable, and can no longer bend > > over a laptop for hours on end, (a Thinkpad with 3 butt

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-21 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, at 4:58 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > On 6/20/18, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > > [ ... ] Most of it is going into game scripting at the moment, but on the > > back > > burner is a Forth-based project; a sort of operating system where the > > primary

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-21 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, at 5:49 AM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Thu, 21 Jun 2018 05:58:42 +0200 Lucio De Re wrote: > Lucio De Re writes: > > On 6/20/18, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > > > [ ... ] Most of it is going into game scripting at the moment, but on the > > > b &

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-21 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, at 6:39 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Wed, Jun 20, 2018 at 10:35:42PM +0100, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > > > > a sort of operating system where the primary interface to all tasks is > > a Forth interpreter. > > I think we've talked about this

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-25 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Thu, Jun 21, 2018, at 7:03 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Jun 21, 2018, at 8:23 AM, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > > > > Thanks! I don't know APL at all, beyond the fact that its need for a > > graphical (or at least sophisticated) display held it back in the past. I >

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-27 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
sad when I read it too, but like you, I hope the prevalence of KVM will bring a new wave of OS development. :) > > • Server hardware will become extreme powerful, TB DRAM, non-volatile > memory, NVMe disk, 100Gb ethernet, the paradigm of separate cpu server, > file server, (a lit

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-27 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, at 6:17 AM, 刘宇宝 wrote: > > > > On Jun 25, 2018, at 5:33 PM, Ethan A. Gardener wrote: > > > > > > I picked up an idea from microapl.com, workspaces. Saving system > > state is one of my goals for my OS, and the concept of workspaces &g

Re: [9fans] What are you using Plan 9 for?

2018-06-27 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Tue, Jun 26, 2018, at 7:36 AM, Tyga wrote: > Re: your comment about trackpad / vertical mouse. > > I had a similar RSI problem a couple of years ago.  I solved it by using a > Logitech trackball with my right hand - but only to move the cursor and I > used a MS optical

[9fans] I prefer cropping images in Plan 9

2018-07-21 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
I just had to crop a bunch of images in the Gimp, and recalled how much I prefer doing it in Plan 9; it's so much less frustrating. In the Gimp, it's either a matter of estimating numbers (for a quick, casual job on visual media), or select, copy, paste into new window. In the latter

Re: [9fans] I prefer cropping images in Plan 9

2018-07-22 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
ain text? Kind of like > TempleOS or systemd's journal does. I had some idea of structured pipes, but that idea's been on the shelf so long it's synapse-rotted. I was thinking of ls ps and others outputting key-value pairs, fields of which could then be selected by name. I suppose t

Re: [9fans] I prefer cropping images in Plan 9

2018-07-22 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
ean like... images? > Ha ha! :) Images in the terminal would be fun, but would have to wait until we have more than vt220/char cell display. That means it's going to get implemented under Plan 9 first, most likely. Forgot to say in other mail: Nothing wrong with storing structured pipe d

Re: [9fans] I prefer cropping images in Plan 9

2018-07-22 Thread Ethan A. Gardener
On Sat, Jul 21, 2018, at 4:20 PM, Ryan Gonzalez wrote: > On July 21, 2018 8:21:10 AM "Ethan A. Gardener" wrote: > > > I just had to crop a bunch of images in the Gimp, and recalled how much I > > prefer doing it in Plan 9; it's so much less frustrating. In the G

[9fans] Slashed zero in Lucida Grande (macOS)

2019-04-02 Thread marius a. eriksen
seline serifs but the default zero and Oh are the same as in the original version. The Lucida Grande font also includes both slashed and dotted versions of zero, as well as a seriffed variant of capital I, but these are not the default forms." Intrigued, I went poking about macOS's font b

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-03-31 Thread Douglas A. Gwyn
"Gorka Guardiola" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > The fix doesn't break anything, ... Any change in externally visible behavior could in principle "break something" that had relied on the previous behavior. That said, "echo

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-04-01 Thread Douglas A. Gwyn
roger peppe wrote: > personally, i'd vote for allowing -- just for > the above case: echoing unknown text. Exactly.

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-04-01 Thread Douglas A. Gwyn
> this is a very odd case which can be worked around without adding --. > the adding of which adds another odd case. what if you want to echo > --? so adding -- special case code doesn't really solve any problems. echo -- {whatever} # {whatever} can be "--", "-n", or other things

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-04-01 Thread Douglas A. Gwyn
Russ Cox wrote: > Who needs an operating system when you have a 0 and a 1? Actually all you need is one symbol. 3(decimal) = ||| 7(decimal) = ||| etc. Obviously this can express any numerically-coded object.

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-04-01 Thread Douglas A. Gwyn
Bruce Ellis wrote: > well the gcc list is still waiting for you ... maybe it was volatile. Is that a pointer to const volatile?

Re: [9fans] bug in echo?

2008-04-03 Thread Douglas A. Gwyn
"Anders Li" <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote in message news:[EMAIL PROTECTED] > Are all you spare all your spare time in Play9 ? No, but all my base are belong to you.

[9fans] read/write offset hack

2008-05-30 Thread Nyang A. Phra
Poking around Plan 9 and 9P, I was wondering whether it would be a neat hack or some sort of abuse to read and write dynamically served files at different offsets to get different semantics, instead of reading and writing different files (ctl, clone, etc.) to do that. Given that the system

Re: [9fans] read/write offset hack

2008-05-30 Thread Nyang A. Phra
> Nyang: I must say one thing: you are simply going to LOVE an > abomination of an acme feature i am working on! Do let us in on the secret (if you wish) :)

Re: [9fans] read/write offset hack

2008-06-02 Thread Nyang A. Phra
On May 30, 6:06 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (Russ Cox) wrote: > If you want to violate a convention, Plan 9 won't stop you, > but in doing so you give up compatibility with programs that > depend on that convention (bind /net/tcp /proc; ps). > Sure, you could replace ctl and clone

Re: [9fans] Getting qlock errors when trying to install

2008-12-27 Thread Sebastian A. Liem
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:18 PM, Steve Simon wrote: > Did you ever get plan9 to run on the Intel Atom D945GCLF, I was planning > to buy one to replace my old, power hungry plan9 server. > > -Steve Yes, when I disabled the onboard eth card. I haven't had the time to try erik's 9pccd.gz.

[9fans] question re acme and plumber

2019-07-10 Thread James A. Robinson
If I add a plumber rule for javac output: type is text data matches '\[ERROR\] ([.a-zA-Z¡-�0-9_/\-]+\.java):\[([0-9]+),[0-9]+\] .*' arg isfile $1 data set $file attr add addr=$2 plumb to edit plumb client $editor I can sweep a line (short of its trailing newline): [ERROR] /Users

Re: [9fans] question re acme and plumber

2019-07-11 Thread James A. Robinson
expand the plumber rule so I could select the bulk of the line (it's easier for me to select). Looking at src/cmd/acme/look.c I see that look3 has a section discussing sending a whitespace delimited section to the plumber, but it is guarded by a check of (plumbsendfd >= 0), and I see the

Re: [9fans] question re acme and plumber

2019-07-11 Thread James A. Robinson
Well, I can see this is getting called: look.c:187: if(m->ndata= 0){ and the m->data is the full line, including the trailing ".java:[,]" data. So it's certainly appears to be sending the data to the plumber. But I don't get the same behavior from acme as when I send the same text I see in m->da

Re: [9fans] question re acme and plumber

2019-07-25 Thread James A. Robinson
Thanks, I stopped digging after that and just added a shell script wrapper to reformat the lines in question ¯\_(ツ)_/¯ $ cat ~/bin/mvn #!/bin/sh /usr/local/bin/mvn "$@" | sed 's!\.java:\[\([0-9]*\),[0-9]*\]!.java:\1!g'; On Wed, Jul 24, 2019 at 2:19 PM Ole-Hjalmar Kristensen

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 security

2019-08-20 Thread Don A. Bailey
Fwiw Plan 9’s code vase has indeed been audited. By me. Several exploitable bugs were found including a kernel exploit due to the env driver. I wrote a working PoC for it which is somewhere on the internet, but it’s quite old. Much of the code hasn’t changed, and, I would suspect, is largely

Re: [9fans] Re: moving 9fans to new server, but still 9fans@9fans.net

2019-10-14 Thread James A. Robinson
> For fun, here's my first mail to 9fans. Wow, this makes me feel my age. I see your first email to the ilst was 23 years ago and mine was 21 years ago! -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T73a7388a716e3644-M239143a07611e83c

Re: [9fans] plan9port on osx

2019-11-08 Thread James A. Robinson
#x27;m not traveling much I'm using the Evoluent VM4RB VerticalMouse, which has 3+ buttons. On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 4:44 AM Steve Simon wrote: > > hi, > > i cannot find a plan9port maillist, so i am asking here. > > anyone using plan9port on osx? if so which mouse are y

Re: [9fans] plan9port on osx

2019-11-08 Thread James A. Robinson
Oh that's very nice, I'll have to update and try it. Thank you for pointing this out! On Fri, Nov 8, 2019 at 10:19 AM Xiao-Yong Jin wrote: > > since commit 9af9ceca, the metal backend has (undocumented), > > Allow touch events to simulate mouse clicks: > three finger tap for the middle mouse

Re: [9fans] Is the vanilla Plan 9 still alive?

2019-11-22 Thread Don A. Bailey
This :) > On Nov 22, 2019, at 1:54 AM, Skip Tavakkolian > wrote: > >  > It's not dead; it's resting. > >> On Thu, Nov 21, 2019 at 10:29 PM wrote: >> The site hasn't been updated since 2014-2015. If it's dead, is there any >> chance of it coming back into development? > > 9fans / 9fans / se

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