[9fans] Newbie - wassup everyone?

2013-04-20 Thread Keith
Hi! I've used 9 every now and then for two years now, and its pretty awesome. Rio however, I feel needs a friendlier, sleeker look. Like hi-res image display (is hd available in rio?), option to set your background to that, and softer window edges with terminal options such as other fonts and co

Re: [9fans] Ideas from Plan-9

2013-12-15 Thread Keith
Who here remembers/knows of the vision for the apple newton? The iPad realized it when the technology was able and the time was right. Who is to say the same couldn't be said for 9?

[9fans] Where do I find...

2009-02-05 Thread Keith Thompson
Where's the FAQ for this newsgroup? Thanks.

Re: [9fans] Foundation new releases question

2021-04-03 Thread Keith Gibbs
It's almost as if the accusations that 9front in some way undermines the core philosophies of Plan 9 are not motivated by facts, but more invented in the minds of people who just don't like 9front people being in charge of 9front. Almost... -pixelheresy On 21/04/03 05:39PM, hiro wrote: > btw ev

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-17 Thread Keith Gibbs
One Plan Nine? Sure, we have the historical version of the Bell Labs/Lucient codebase, preserved as 9legacy, but yeah we have one currently developed branch of Plan 9 called 9front. Are you proposing that to be called “Plan 9 from Bell Labs 5th edition”? To be serious though, when has monolit

Re: [9fans] OAuth2 in factotum

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
Lucio, man, you are a comic genius. > On 18. Aug 2021, at 6.55, Lucio De Re wrote: > > You bought the "exceptionalism" Kool-Aid, lock, stock and barrel, > haven't you? It's a question of size: a small code base should remain > small, then it is not weaponisable or monetisable. So we raise the b

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
kip Tavakkolian wrote: > > I changed the Subject line to better reflect the discussion. Please do go on. > >> On Tue, Aug 17, 2021 at 8:57 PM Lucio De Re wrote: >> >>> On 8/17/21, Keith Gibbs wrote: >>> One Plan Nine? >>> >>> Sure, we h

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
Come, come, Vester. Please don’t introduce false premises under the guise of calling them out. I never said that. 9front as the official Plan 9 would be pretty absurd. I never said it was *the* development branch. It is *a* development branch. I could even imagine that it may in fact be the mos

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-18 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On 18. Aug 2021, at 14.28, Lucio De Re wrote: > Let me put it this way: German and Italian motorcycle manufacturers > eventually figured that the gear shift should be on the same side as > Japanese manufacturers preferred. This is my point exactly in one sense. In your example, there were al

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Keith Gibbs
Hej Eli, I think, philosophically, there is a disconnect re: the status of 9front vs 9legacy by 9legacy folks. Even David suggested that 9legacy is “real” Plan 9, rather than a fork. Fundamentally this is semantics, but it leads to seeing them as fundamentally different things, when they really

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Keith Gibbs
january/february! >> > I think P9F has performed the most important duties they set > themselves: they are providing a useful umbrella to protect Plan > 9-related resources from becoming extinct and have modernised the Plan > 9 software licence to protect Plan 9 from being hi-jacke

Re: [9fans] Software philosophy

2021-08-19 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On Aug 19, 2021, at 7:34 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > > It is the pragmatic end of the Plan 9 spectrum, courtesy of Cinap who > clearly would be a Torvalds if Plan 9 had gained the traction of > Linux. > Oh please. You think Cinap is some sort of charismatic demogogue of 9front? Yeah… he’s not

Re: [9fans] New to plan9

2021-10-16 Thread Keith Gibbs
Yeah, don't switch for simple tools like mothra, but as you learn more, there are strengths to both. I ran the "9miller" Pi version for a bit and as a retro computer collector and old software junkie, I enjoyed myself, but I played with VMs and then got some baremetal installs of 9front going. 9l

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
+1 Instead of responding to an idea that would potentially benefit the whole of the community, several people got *personally offended* about the fact that the original author wanted to make sure that the effort was inclusive [as there *are* LGBTQ+, differently abled, and neurodivergent develo

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
thing. We don’t just need one book. We can have lots of books. -pixelheresy > On 24. Jan 2022, at 20.33, Alexandr Babic wrote: > > keith, nice analysis, but what would you think about original post: > > >>Apparently the author of the well-known 'intro to OS abstraction

Re: [9fans] Sponsoring a new Intro book by the Flan 9 Poundation

2022-01-24 Thread Keith Gibbs
> On 25. Jan 2022, at 9.23, adr wrote: > > Just for curiosity, in what thread people has been harassed here > for race, sexual orientation, disablility or whatever you want to > add to the list social champion? > Perhaps when you said, quote, "I think you are not bipolar, you are just another

Re: [9fans] Difference between Plan 9 legacy and 9front

2022-01-27 Thread Keith Gibbs
There is certainly a variety of opinions of what means what, but generally speaking: 9legacy: Continuation of Plan 9 from Bell Labs v4 with patches and fixes 9front: A close fork of Plan 9 focused on using and developing Plan 9 systems on modern hardware as a rolling and continually developed sy