[9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-13 Thread Jim Habegger
We have three Windows laptops in our family. I've been using free software systems off and on for years. Last week I learned about Plan 9 from Bell Labs, from someone in a Linux Questions forum. Now I have it installed on a partition on my laptop, along with XP, Ubuntu-on-NTFS, Debian, and Slackwar

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-14 Thread Jim Habegger
Thanks to everyone for all the information and ideas! At first I was going to try to make Plan 9 my all-purpose system on this laptop, but for now it looks like I'll just be using it to learn more about networking and distributed systems. I've tried using virtual machines in Windows before to run

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-14 Thread Jim Habegger
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 3:43 AM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > Look at - http://9fans.net/archive/2008/10/304 > > Plan9 hardware support is limited to those that plan9 users have. Well, now there's a Plan 9 user with Atheros 5K. I suppose I could try to port ath5k myself. I had some experience many y

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-15 Thread Jim Habegger
On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:26 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: > Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office. Yes, I understood that from the responses to my questions. As soon as I read them, I gave up the idea of trying to switch to Plan 9. Now it's more about enriching my knowledge and experience.

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

2009-04-16 Thread Jim Habegger
Thanks to everyone again for all the information and ideas. I decided to try running Plan 9 with Qemu in Ubuntu. I can't use kvm because my processor doesn't support it. I resized my partitions to make room to install Ubuntu in its own partition. Before that it was running from a CD image on my XP

[9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-18 Thread Jim Habegger
I haven't responded yet to all the info and ideas in my earlier thread, because I've been trying to get Plan 9 working in QEMU. First, I tried using 9vx. I found these instructions at http://swtch.com/9vx/ : 9vx-0.12.tar.bz2 is a binary distribution > containing a minimal plan 9 tree and binaries

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Jim Habegger
john, eric, and yy, thanks! 9vx isn't working out very well for me so far. I'm trying to practice everything in the documentation on the Plan 9 site, then I'll work on the ideas that have been posted for me here. I was going to practice first in 9vx, because it's easier to switch back and forth be

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Jim Habegger
Eric and Anthony, thank you. I'm stepping through the Plan 9 documentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. As you noticed, Anthony, I missed a step in adding a new user: con -l /srv/fscons > That didn't work in 9vx either, I imagine for the reasons you explaine

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-19 Thread Jim Habegger
I'm working through the Plan 9 documentation at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/documentation/index.html. I'm running Plan 9 in QEMU in Ubuntu Intrepid Ibex. qemu plan9jim.img -k en-us -no-reboot > I have to wait a few seconds before responding to each prompt, to avoid having it freeze and

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
Thanks again to everyone for all the help! I did this (thanks Andrey): ndb/cs > ip/ipconfig > ndb/dns -r > Then I took a look at /net/ipselftab and /net/iproute. Then I pinged the gateway (thanks André) and got a response! Then I did (thanks Federico) hget http://google.com > and got some hi

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
I've done as much as I can and want to do from the documentation for now. Now I'm working on some of the responses to my posts here. Pietro, I did 9fs sources > and installed fgb. I'm planning to look at that troff tutorial, the manpage for juke, and the files in /sys/doc. Here's what happened

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid. Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other Ubuntu windows.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 11:52 AM, Jim Habegger wrote: > I'm also planning to look into Inferno and the /9/grid. > > Now, in Plan 9/QEMU/Ubuntu, I need to learn how to access my shared fat > partition, and how to copy and paste between the QEMU window and my other > Ubuntu wind

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-20 Thread Jim Habegger
Now I have a list of commands to type every time I boot. I need to learn how to run them automatically.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
On Tue, Apr 21, 2009 at 2:31 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: > fgb's a person, not a thing you install. > fgb is also the name of the directory containing his system, which is what I meant. I see now that what I installed was actually fgb/contrib.

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
On Mon, Apr 20, 2009 at 6:42 PM, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote: > I don't who and why one referred you to try 9vx > Maybe because it's faster, and easy to install. It only took a few minutes to download it, unpack it, and start using it. It's an easy way to get acquainted with the Plan 9 environment,

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
I tried webfs and got an error message, so I ran webcookies, and then I was able to run webfs without an error message. Then I was able to run abaco. Now I need to learn how to use it. I thought maybe I could just type in a URL and 2-click "Get," but nothing happened. I'll need to learn how to acc

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry.

[9fans] (offlist) Re: Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
It was nice to see this message. Thank you! On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 6:23 AM, wrote: > > I've been posting too much for this kind of list. Sorry. > > Not at all. As long as the questions are genuine and > you're learning from it, your questions are welcome > as far as I'm concerned. The real fl

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-21 Thread Jim Habegger
On Wed, Apr 22, 2009 at 8:29 AM, wrote: > Yeah, don't let my message from earlier scare you off... I was just > cranky at the prospect of a long day of classes ;) The point of a > mailing list isn't to see how few messages we can get in a month, > although of course it's not a blog either. Tha

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

2009-04-23 Thread Jim Habegger
My Plan 9 training is temporarily suspended while I learn to use QEMU. That's funny because I suspended my Slackware training to learn to use Plan 9. Now I might suspend my QEMU training to try out some other virtualizers. Also, I got a FreeDOS image to use for my QEMU training, so I may wander o