Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi userland is now open

2012-10-25 Thread Richard Miller
In practical terms this doesn't make a lot of difference for Plan 9 as it is now. Dev/draw makes use of only a few simple 2d operations for "accelerated" graphics, and the dma engine on the raspberry pi SoC provides a 2d memory-to-memory mode which should be sufficient to do these on the ARM si

Re: [9fans] Raspberry Pi userland is now open

2012-10-25 Thread Charles Forsyth
I don't see any problem with having to talk to invisible firmware. Surely that's normal for devices with firmware? In this case, it seems even better for Plan 9, because the OpenGL/ES engine is in the firmware, so we don't need to write or port one, just talk to an existing one. It's similar situat

Re: [9fans] The cons file and consolefs

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Sat, 25 Aug 2012 10:47:15 +1200 Andy Elvey wrote: > Hi all - > I've just been looking at the docs for cons and consolefs. I am just > **blown away** by how cleanly and elegantly keyboard input is handled in > Plan 9! There seems to be *none* of the - um - "less than optimal", to > put it

Re: [9fans] The cons file and consolefs

2012-10-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> By the way, if you run p9p acme on Linux as root, don't use win. The > pty subsystem crashes or something; you have to reboot before you can > open any X term. :D just change the permissions on /dev/ptmx back to g+w. in fact, since you have a case narrowed down, it might be easy to find & fix

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Mon, 3 Sep 2012 09:46:58 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sun Sep 2 16:41:20 EDT 2012, gleb.ax...@gmail.com wrote: > > > Ok. Anyway, no one will write so huge and complicated code (like > > sorcery from Source Mage GNU/Linux) in rc. > > that's a good thing, right? > > - erik > sorcery is

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Wed, 29 Aug 2012 16:10:39 +0100 Charles Forsyth wrote: > Changing my default shell from bash to rc caused even terminal windows (let > alone 9term ones) to appear almost instantly on Ubuntu > (9term windows appear instantly on the click). i'm not sure how ubuntu manages this when other linux

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> sorcery is a nice package manager; the only one i've ever actually > liked, but yeah, it's a monster. a short time after i stopped using it > i was interested to see someone report he'd actually reduced the size > of his shell script by converting it from bash to ordinary sh; using > the proper t

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread dexen deVries
On Wednesday 29 of August 2012 16:10:39 Charles Forsyth wrote: > Changing my default shell from bash to rc caused even terminal windows (let > alone 9term ones) to appear almost instantly on Ubuntu > (9term windows appear instantly on the click). interactive bash reads, among others, ~/.bash_hist

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800 Jack Johnson wrote: > Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and elegant. > > -Jack > It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or as a user-space program under other OSs. I used it to try out someone else's work and did

Re: [9fans] Acme: the way the future actually was

2012-10-25 Thread Dan Cross
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:28 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Fri, 14 Sep 2012 08:48:40 -0800 Jack Johnson wrote: > > Even with it's "faults" (age?), I still miss Oberon. It was *fun* and > > elegant. > > It's still around in AOS form where it can run native or as a > user-space program unde

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Burns
On Thursday, October 25, 2012 9:58:45 AM UTC-4, dexen deVries wrote: > On Wednesday 29 of August 2012 16:10:39 Charles Forsyth wrote: > > > Changing my default shell from bash to rc caused even terminal windows (let > > > alone 9term ones) to appear almost instantly on Ubuntu > > > (9term window

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:08 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? Pull the cable and or battery. G.

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread Matthew Veety
On Oct 25, 2012 1:00 PM, "Gorka Guardiola" wrote: > > > > On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:08 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? > > Pull the cable and or battery. > > G. > > Don't use Ubuntu. -- Veety

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 10:18 AM, Matthew Veety wrote: > > On Oct 25, 2012 1:00 PM, "Gorka Guardiola" wrote: >> >> >> >> On Oct 25, 2012, at 5:08 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> >> > can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? >> >> Pull the cable and or battery. >> >> G. >> >>

Re: [9fans] The cons file and consolefs

2012-10-25 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 25 Oct 2012 09:09:39 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > > By the way, if you run p9p acme on Linux as root, don't use win. The > > pty subsystem crashes or something; you have to reboot before you can > > open any X term. :D > > just change the permissions on /dev/ptmx back to g+w. in fact

Re: [9fans] rc vs sh

2012-10-25 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
a sledgehammer. works for mac os x also. On Thu, Oct 25, 2012 at 8:08 AM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > can someone tell me how to speed up poweroff on ubuntu? >

Re: [9fans] The cons file and consolefs

2012-10-25 Thread erik quanstrom
> > ... how did i not find this solution? probably because i wasn't familiar with > what the perms should be. it's 100% reproducible, anyway, i'll go pester > p9p-dev. many smart people i know actively avoid knowing the details of ill-conceived and archic technology. :-) - erik