> On the otherhand, putting any command in the chain makes the behavior
> disappear.
>
> cpu% @{rfork e; echo hi} |cat > /env/hi cpu% cat /env/hi hi
>
> My question is, is this intensional? It feels as if there is a
> leakage here of the rfork when its effect is felt beyond the braces,
> and it fe
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:30 AM, wrote:
>> but refers to the Latin motto "Nemo me impune lacessit"!
>
> Sorry, off topis.
> What does this Latin motto mean?
> I have no Latin based culture...
>
> Kenji -- still learning octopus and inferno☺
>
>
It means (loosely translated) no-one provokes me wi
Where "no-one" is aka Nemo.
On May 16, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
> It means (loosely translated) no-one provokes me without punishment.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:25 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> Where "no-one" is aka Nemo.
>
> On May 16, 2012, at 9:07 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote:
>
>> It means (loosely translated) no-one provokes me without punishment.
>
>
So in NIX' recent politically incorrect fuck-up no-one was actually
I got my Thinkpad T61 last night and installation was somewhat
successful but not without problems:
- the main thing was to set the SATA controller to 'Compatibility'
mode. 9front would find the disk
and install correctly but would get stuck after the pbs if this was
not set. The bell labs iso
a friend gave me a T61 and the bell-labs iso installed just fine. i
can't recall using any tricks, pretty much however the bios was
configured - i did it in the pub.
brucee
On 16 May 2012 22:24, Burton Samograd wrote:
> I got my Thinkpad T61 last night and installation was somewhat
> successful
In the end it was better to design and write code than to argue.
Serenity reigns.
On 16 May 2012 12:22, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> So in NIX' recent politically incorrect fuck-up no-one was actually harmed?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 6:32 AM, Bruce Ellis wrote:
> a friend gave me a T61 and the bell-labs iso installed just fine. i
> can't recall using any tricks, pretty much however the bios was
> configured - i did it in the pub.
Did you have DMA enabled on the disks? I chose yes at that prompt now I'
> again just to see if it works a different time. Maybe I'll give 9atom
> a shot too
I had to switch to 9atom some time asgo whe I bought my first sata-ii hd
(but it was not on a laptop). If there is an option "Configure SATA(or IDE)
as AHCI" in your BIOS,
use it.
regards,
++pac
Greetings.
On Wed, 16 May 2012 15:04:45 +0200 erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Tue May 15 21:44:21 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
> > there might be more plan9 users than you think.
>
> all kidding aside, take a job in athens. see for yourself.
Athens is full of rioting people these days. I wo
> The bell labs iso would boot but not find the disk leading
> to some confusion when I didn't notice it was trying to
> partition the install CD during installation
Which Plan 9 CD image have you tried? The first Plan 9 CD
including the new bootstraps was published just yesterday.
> after settin
Wrong Athens, methinks.
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 2:04 PM, Christoph Lohmann <2...@r-36.net> wrote:
> Greetings.
>
> On Wed, 16 May 2012 15:04:45 +0200 erik quanstrom
> wrote:
> > On Tue May 15 21:44:21 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
> > > there might be more plan9 users than you think.
> >
This is the plan9.ini on my T61, for use with the latest
9front kernel. With these settings mp, Ethernet and USB
all work (the integrated mouse button 2 does not work).:
bootfile=9pcf
bootargs=local!/dev/sdE0/fscache
nobootprompt=local!/dev/sdE0/fscache
nvram=/dev/sdE0/nvram
mouseport=ps2
monitor=
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 02:16:29PM +0100, Robert Raschke wrote:
> Wrong Athens, methinks.
Easy mistake to make. Most of Georgia is also full of common tools.
Athens Georgia (USA, not the country) is a small, pleasant university town
with Plan 9, restaurants, pubs and live music.
Avoid Atlanta, however, which has none of those things.
Le 16/05/2012 14:24, Burton Samograd a écrit :
So, in the end I got 9front installed but now the bell labs wiki isn't
very helpful since so much has
changed, with the first being how to add a new user among other
things. To be honest, I'd rather
be using the Bell Labs iso so if anybody could giv
Le 16/05/2012 15:14, David du Colombier a écrit :
Have you enabled DMA at the begin of the installation
process? Whitout DMA, your disk i/o will likely be
something like ten times slower.
Is there any remaining reason today for dmaon not being the default?
Nicolas
There are towns without restaurants and pubs in America?
On May 16, 2012, at 4:03 PM, hiro wrote:
> There are towns without restaurants and pubs in America?
More than there are in Spain.
term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/hi
test
term% wc -l /env/hi
0 /env/hi
term% rm /env/hi
term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >[2]/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/hi
hi
test
term% wc -l /env/hi
0 /env/hi
term% rm /env/hi
term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >[3]/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/
On Wed May 16 09:52:32 EDT 2012, nberc...@yahoo.fr wrote:
> Le 16/05/2012 15:14, David du Colombier a écrit :
> > Have you enabled DMA at the begin of the installation
> > process? Whitout DMA, your disk i/o will likely be
> > something like ten times slower.
>
> Is there any remaining reason toda
> Athens is full of rioting people these days. I wouldn't go there.
you aced Geography.
> Is there any remaining reason today for dmaon not being the default?
I don't think so, but I have this following patch still pending:
http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/patch/maybe/sdata-dma/
Erik also provides a way to enable DMA in plan9.ini,
as part of 9atom.
Personally, I ended up with th
most /env things haven't got newlines so wc -l /env/* generally gives 0.
you also need to watch the binding in things like this:
2012/5/16
> @{rfork e; echo hi} >/env/hi
ie, the env file might be created in the parent name space, because the >
is done before the @,
and in the scope above the r
... that you might enjoy entering ... and leaving.
On 16 May 2012 15:03, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> There are towns without restaurants and pubs in America?
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:03 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote:
> There are towns without restaurants and pubs in America?
Yes. Americans tend to have bars, rather than pubs.
Forsyth's characterization of Atlanta is largely correct, but his
conclusion (to avoid) is incorrect. Atlanta has
no, thats why we removed dmaon in 9front. we have a kernel
option now to disable dma, but default is enabled.
we also have virtio drivers for qemu/kvm.
--
cinap
actually, it is a huge difference. there's also "rwm on".
On 16 May 2012 15:05, erik quanstrom wrote:
> no. though i doubt there would be a 10x reduction in performance.
> one could reasonablly get 10mb/s with pio. (if it working.)
>
That's probably fair: I had a bad time in Atlanta (my research notebooks
were stolen).
On 16 May 2012 15:21, Dan Cross wrote:
> Forsyth's characterization of Atlanta is largely correct, but his
> conclusion (to avoid) is incorrect.
>
> though i doubt there would be a 10x reduction in performance.
I already measured a 4MB/s to 40MB/s difference on
some controllers, but I don't have the exact numbers
and condition right now.
--
David du Colombier
The confusing part to me is why >[2] or >[3] or >[4]
(and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
-sl
On Wed May 16 10:27:24 EDT 2012, charles.fors...@gmail.com wrote:
> actually, it is a huge difference. there's also "rwm on".
>
> On 16 May 2012 15:05, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > no. though i doubt there would be a 10x reduction in performance.
> > one could reasonablly get 10mb/s with pio.
On Wed May 16 10:33:50 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote:
> The confusing part to me is why >[2] or >[3] or >[4]
> (and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
>
yes, it is confusing. but that's how rc rolls.
- erik
On Wed May 16 10:25:41 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
> no, thats why we removed dmaon in 9front. we have a kernel
> option now to disable dma, but default is enabled.
i did the same, but 15 minutes. since your only installing ~500mb,
and only about 50 or less got installed means the disk i
On 16 May 2012 15:31, wrote:
> The confusing part to me is why >[2] or >[3] or >[4]
> (and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
>
it doesn't: look closely at your commands.
term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >[2]/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/hi
hi
test
the echo hi is going to standard output, w
Bruce Ellis wrote:
a friend gave me a T61 and the bell-labs iso installed just fine. i
can't recall using any tricks, pretty much however the bios was
configured - i did it in the pub.
Is the fact that you did it in the pub the reason that you "can't recall"?
> > The confusing part to me is why >[2] or >[3] or >[4]
> > (and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
> >
>
>
> it doesn't: look closely at your commands.
>
> term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >[2]/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/hi
> hi
> test
>
> the echo hi is going to standard output, which is
2 or 3 years ago i installed the bell-labs iso on a Thinkpad T61p at
my office and it was uneventful.
like brucee, i can't recall using any tricks; so this could mean
either (a) no tricks were required or (b) there's something wrong with
my memory because clearly i would have had to jump through h
On Wed May 16 11:02:14 EDT 2012, skip.tavakkol...@gmail.com wrote:
> 2 or 3 years ago i installed the bell-labs iso on a Thinkpad T61p at
> my office and it was uneventful.
>
> like brucee, i can't recall using any tricks; so this could mean
> either (a) no tricks were required or (b) there's some
> But then why:
>
> term% @{rfork e; echo hi} >/env/hi; echo test; cat /env/hi
> test
>
> Where is the 'echo hi' going?
in the rfork e'd environment. try something like
@{rfork e; echo -n hi; cat /env/hi >[1=2]} >/env/hi; cat /env/hi
this seems wrong. the file descriptor is clearly c
On Wed, May 16, 2012 at 10:35:20AM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote:
> On Wed May 16 10:33:50 EDT 2012, s...@9front.org wrote:
> > The confusing part to me is why >[2] or >[3] or >[4]
> > (and so on) captures the stdout of the @{} block.
> >
>
> yes, it is confusing. but that's how rc rolls.
>
> - e
> I had a bad time in Atlanta
My clearest memory of Atlanta is watching the "murder report" on the
hotel TV which was a bit like a weather report - "there were X murders
in Atlanta this week, that's Y more than the same week last year but
Z% below the seasonally-adjusted weekly average murder rate
hm, wait... that cant be right:
term% @{echo 1; echo 2 >[1=2]} >[2]/dev/null
1
term% @{echo 1; echo 2 >[1=2]} >/dev/null
2
so this is what i would expect. why is that
broken with rfork e? theres some bug lurking.
--
cinap
ah! got me :)
thanks
--
cinap
On Wed May 16 11:40:13 EDT 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote:
> hm, wait... that cant be right:
>
> term% @{echo 1; echo 2 >[1=2]} >[2]/dev/null
> 1
> term% @{echo 1; echo 2 >[1=2]} >/dev/null
> 2
>
> so this is what i would expect. why is that
> broken with rfork e? theres some bug lurking.
the "
Not really. I think this conversation has successfully hinted that a benign
dictator would eventually be compelled to adopt more ruthless measures.
On 16 May 2012 16:10, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote:
> Are we getting a bit off topic here?
> I think this conversation has successfully hinted that a benign
> dictator would eventually be compelled to adopt more ruthless measures.
See /lib/theo.
-sl
yes, it's a little unusual that opening a file doesn't create a constant
connection to that file (while it lasts),
separating the i/o from (for instance) the effect of OTRUNC
On 16 May 2012 16:44, erik quanstrom wrote:
> but on the face of it (that is, without thinking too hard),
> it seems inco
the hardware for different t23s, for instance, could be quite different.
i used to buy them up and swap the bits round.
On 16 May 2012 16:02, erik quanstrom wrote:
> or, (c), there is not a single bios version for all t61s.
You just like listening to yourself talk. Shut up.
Just curious, but what exactly to the mp[0..24] lines do? And are they only
supported by the 9front kernel?
--
Burton Samograd
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its a hexdump of the machines mp table. if you boot with *dumpmp=, the
kernel will dump its mp table to the console where it can be captured
from /dev/kmesg or other means like serial console.
normally, mp table is provided by the bios and placed in some memory
area where the kernel can find it. i
> So in NIX' recent politically incorrect fuck-up no-one was actually harmed?
> Seems like you guys are trying to fuck with our brains!
According to my understanding, you are always fuck with our brains.
Nemo and Forsyth are both very important persons here, because
they make much contributions by
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