They do different things. the ?i series is mainly intended to debug and
improve the compilers:
it emulates only so much of the architecture and system, enough to get the
compiler and libc going.
5e's a nice bit of work (except for the limitation to little-endian host).
the emulation of /proc was i
I am currently looking into Plan 9's governance as part of a project
and was asked this question: does Plan 9 have a Benevolent dictator
for life (B.D.L) similar to python's Guido van Rossum? I can't seem to
find any one other than the four original authors of the system. Would
I be wrong in saying
On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote:
> Would
> I be wrong in saying there are four dictators?
Yes, there's just good taste :)
I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Good taste is its own reward.
On 14 May 2012 20:32, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote:
>
>> Would
>> I be wrong in saying there are four dictators?
>
> Yes, there's just good taste :)
> I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Yes, but somhow a "Gang of four" sounds so much more exciting.
-Steve
I would say the de facto dictators are those with write permission
on /n/sources/plan9, namely:
sys:sys::glenda,rsc,jmk,sape,ehg,pb,geoff,bootes
And they're mostly benevolent. (Not sure about glenda.)
On Monday 14 of May 2012 11:51:45 Richard Miller wrote:
> And they're mostly benevolent. (Not sure about glenda.)
she anything but: http://mirtchovski.com/p9/images/glendatux.jpg
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you speed through the eerie nothingness of space
you circle 'rou
> i've had the most problems with power supplies on both models; going
> by my sample size, they have a 25% combined failure rate.
I've had 100% failure rate (sample size = 1) of the host usb connector,
while attempting a demo at IWP9 -- seriously embarrassing.
On May 14, 8:39 pm, charles.fors...@gmail.com (Charles Forsyth) wrote:
> I thought we were an autonomous collective.
Sorry quick edit, it should actually read B.D.F.L.
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:32:35PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
>
> On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote:
>
> > Would
> > I be wrong in saying there are four dictators?
>
> Yes, there's just good taste :)
>
Since the OS was designed ; is simple ; is consistant, not a lot of
peop
Ah - Bund Deutscher Fußball-Lehrer - of course!
2012/5/14 Bruce Ellis :
> Ah - Bund Deutscher Fußball-Lehrer - of course!
>
Nein, british defense film library.
G.
On May 14, 8:51 pm, 9f...@hamnavoe.com (Richard Miller) wrote:
> I would say the de facto dictators are those with write permission
> on /n/sources/plan9, namely:
>
> sys:sys::glenda,rsc,jmk,sape,ehg,pb,geoff,bootes
>
> And they're mostly benevolent. (Not sure about glenda.)
Exactly what
Plan 9 is a research platform for programmers, not a product. As such,
your questions don't make sense. Everybody maintains their private
trees because this is the way the system is supposed to be used. Plan
9 has a philosophy, but not a direction. There's no single roadmap. At
least not anymore.
On May 14, 2012, at 7:54 , IainWS wrote:
> However things like who handles legal issues in the project, who is
> the release manager ( if there is going to be another release ), a
> "decision maker" - and so on, are some of the answers I am looking
> for. Is there funding for the project coming fr
Greetings.
On Mon, 14 May 2012 16:12:41 +0200 Anthony Sorace wrote:
> But "Plan 9" often refers to the broader set of directly-derived
> systems, like 9atom, 9front, and the two NIXes (at least). Each of
> those has their own structure (you might say 9atom has the BDFL
> you're looking for, 9fron
On Mon, 14 May 2012 15:05:56 +0200
Aram Hăvărneanu wrote:
> Plan 9 is a research platform for programmers, not a product. As such,
> your questions don't make sense. Everybody maintains their private
> trees because this is the way the system is supposed to be used. Plan
> 9 has a philosophy, but
On 05/14/2012 05:00 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 12:32:35PM +0200, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
>>
>> On May 14, 2012, at 12:14 PM, IainWS wrote:
>>
>>> Would
>>> I be wrong in saying there are four dictators?
>>
>> Yes, there's just good taste :)
>>
>
> Since the OS
EthanG will be disciplined.
-sl
> Plan 9 has never approached Unix in popularity, and has been primarily a
> research tool:
>
> Plan 9 failed simply because it fell short of being a
> compelling enough improvement on Unix to displace its ancestor.
> Compared to Plan 9, Unix creaks and clanks and has obvious rus
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 02:32:17PM +, Balwinder S Dheeman wrote:
> On 05/14/2012 05:00 PM, tlaro...@polynum.com wrote:
> >
> > Hence, Plan9 is in part, by design, insulated from entropy.
>
> Plan 9 has never approached Unix in popularity, and has been primarily a
> research tool:
>
> P
if hes using 9front, then eriks ahci driver should support
puis. there also should have been different diagnostic prints
when it failed to spinup looking at ahciidentify().
so looks like jammed interrupt problem? is the cdrom also sata
or is it ide?
what puzzles me is that you said it booted fine
> so looks like jammed interrupt problem?
It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini
and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with
mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly.
So no MP for this machine for now.
Of course I screw
> It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini
> and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with
> mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly.
> So no MP for this machine for now.
Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=
> maybe the bios leaves the sata drives in some unusable
> state (only) when booting from harddrive?
i don't see how. controller reset should comreset the drives.
it's almost got to be an interrupt issue.
- erik
> Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=1
>
> On the Thinkpad T61, the hard drive is sometimes not detected on the
> first attempt. After thirty seconds or so it usually succeeds and
> boots as normal.
have you done any debugging of this? that sounds like a condition i haven't
obse
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:05 PM, wrote:
>> It was an MP problem. I had commented out *nomp=1 in my plan9.ini
>> and after I tried to boot again and saw a number of errors with
>> mpintreenable and intreenable I put it back in and it booted correctly.
>> So no MP for this machine for now.
>
> Can
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:36 PM, Burton Samograd
wrote:
>>> So no MP for this machine for now.
Here's some relevant output of linux dmesg regarding MP on my machine:
[0.00] found SMP MP-table at [880fe200] fe200
[0.00] initial memory mapped : 0 - 2000
[0.00] B
> > On the Thinkpad T61, the hard drive is sometimes not detected on the
> > first attempt. After thirty seconds or so it usually succeeds and
> > boots as normal.
>
> have you done any debugging of this? that sounds like a condition i haven't
> observed.
On my Thinkcentre M55 there is actually a
I'm currently stuck with gmail and you can't login to google using
readweb. Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap
maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing.
--
Burton Samograd
> > Can you try getting rid of *nomp=1 and setting *msi=1
> >
>
> I tried removing *nomp and adding *msi and got similar errors,
> but with ioapicenable and mpreenable. The disks got recognized
> a lot faster this time, which was better, but my keyboard didn't work :-/
> I can't really capture the
> Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap
> maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing.
Mount your gmail account via IMAP:
upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com
The first time you try this, upas/fs will complain:
upas/fs: opening /imaps
On Mon, May 14, 2012 at 8:08 PM, wrote:
>> Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap
>> maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing.
>
> Mount your gmail account via IMAP:
>
> upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com
>
> The first time you try this, upa
On May 14, 2012, at 11:51 PM, John Floren wrote:
>
> If you have a large number of messages, Erik's "nupas" is useful; IIRC
> it will cache messages locally so you don't have to download a ton of
> headers each time you start upas.
>
> However I've found that with both old upas and nupas, there
> Is there any way to read gmail from plan9? Over SSL imap
> maybe? I searched for imapfs but came up with nothing.
Mount your gmail account via IMAP:
>
>upas/fs -f /imaps/imap.gmail.com/usern...@gmail.com
Any help on sending mails using gmail?
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/
>
> Any help on sending mails using gmail?
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gmail_on_plan9/index.html suggests
> that it should be a simple matter, but I get
>
> Mail from 'glenda'
> to '9...@...net'
> failed with error 'Invalid address'.
> if I try to post with that modification in my
http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html
factotum doesn't have your key, try
% auth/fgui &
% /bin/upas/smtp -as net!smtp.gmail.com dest@dom
a window will pop up and ask for your pass...
you'll have to add the smtp value for your network in your /lib/ndb/local or
> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/mail_configuration/index.html
>
> factotum doesn't have your key, try
> % auth/fgui &
> % /bin/upas/smtp -as net!smtp.gmail.com dest@dom
>
> a window will pop up and ask for your pass...
>
> you'll have to add the smtp value for your network in your /lib/
>> Any help on sending mails using gmail?
>> http://www.plan9.bell-labs.com/wiki/plan9/gmail_on_plan9/index.html suggests
>> that it should be a simple matter, but I get
>>
>> Mail from 'glenda'
>> to '9...@...net'
>> failed with error 'Invalid address'.
>> if I try to post with that modification
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