Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Peter A. Cejchan
> It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down menus, > multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. Oh, no!!! ++pac

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Yaroslav
I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. 2012/3/13 Peter A. Cejchan : >> It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down >> menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. > > Oh, no!!! > ++pac > -- - Yaroslav

Re: [9fans] pxeboot & tftpd

2012-03-13 Thread Yaroslav
Yes, tftpd becomes none and calls newns(2), thus the only way to have /net.alt populated for it is through /lib/namespace, as you figured out. -- - Yaroslav

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 07:31:46 EDT 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: > I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. > this project is too large for a summer. - erik

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 09:01:07 EDT 2012, quans...@quanstro.net wrote: > On Tue Mar 13 07:31:46 EDT 2012, yari...@gmail.com wrote: > > I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. > > > > this project is too large for a summer. however, implementing tls1.2 is not. - erik

Re: [9fans] pxeboot & tftpd

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
Also note: Some old 9fans mails requested help solving DHCP errors showing up like: !Discover(hwa01_204e7f518eeb via 192.168.0.239): no binding :: I don't think there was a concise description of what the solution was in the prior threads. Here's a small attempt: The DHCP discovery err

Re: [9fans] pxeboot & tftpd

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> I don't think there was a concise description of what the solution was > in the prior threads. Here's a small attempt: > > The DHCP discovery error occurs because dhcpd will only only provide > an IP address on the subnet for the inquiry. In this case a device > defaults to ip=192.168.0.239 ip

[9fans] hardware device line -> what about the "file resource hardware devices" that are supported

2012-03-13 Thread Christoph Paschke
I'm a newbe at Plan 9 and I got Inferno and Octopus just running. I writing first limbo programs and I like it. + Made in plane C + resource is a file and not complicated proprietary drivers + it can be run such easy and small with emu at each system (I have Mac) + interconnect of resources And

Re: [9fans] hardware device line -> what about the "file resource hardware devices" that are supported

2012-03-13 Thread Nemo
For the octopus we wrap underlying MacOS X or Linux devices, and then use them. For native plan 9 I don't know if there's a working usb camera. I think there was some, long ago, but I'm not even sure.

Re: [9fans] hardware device line -> what about the "file resource hardware devices" that are supported

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 13:26:41 EDT 2012, n...@lsub.org wrote: > For the octopus we wrap underlying MacOS X or Linux devices, and then use > them. > For native plan 9 I don't know if there's a working usb camera. > I think there was some, long ago, but I'm not even sure. wasn't that a tv tuner? - erik

[9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread V-CA ! Christoph Paschke
@Nemo   Ok, I just want start with a very easy constellation:   1.) I installed octopus on top of my MacMini (newest version) at my televison in living room, he running also Mac-Server 2.) I got the terminal started at an older MacBook 3.) I have a HP Envy 100 WLAN Inkjet printer / Scanner integrat

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-03-13, at 11:14 AM, V-CA ! Christoph Paschke wrote: > For me it is most important that I can realize what is promised from that > operting system according "all resources, also devices are a file" and that > this idea is more than a theory! This only applies if you're running native Pl

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Nemo
I think in the octopus we have a print device that used the underlying default printer. It should be in /mnt/print or /mnt/terms/yourmachinename/print Take a look to the start scripts to see if print is starting or printing some diagnostics. So, cp afile.pdf /mnt/print should print it there. A

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-03-13, at 11:55 AM, Nemo wrote: > What Lyndon said is also true, btw. I'm not saying it's not. > Only that you can also wrap non-native devices with little > file servers, as in this case. It's just very confusing knowing how P9 concepts apply in an emulated environment. It's frustratin

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> It's just very confusing knowing how P9 concepts apply in an emulated > environment. It's frustrating even for those of us (okay, me) who have been > tooling around with P9P (and the like) for years. Every day a new surprise > ... :-| p9p's raison is to get along with the local environment,

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 2012-03-13, at 12:03 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > this naturally puts it somewhat > at odds with itself. Sadly, I think that's what turns people away from Plan 9: they only get to see a pale shadow of its worth :-(

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
On Tue Mar 13 15:08:48 EDT 2012, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: > > On 2012-03-13, at 12:03 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > > this naturally puts it somewhat > > at odds with itself. > > Sadly, I think that's what turns people away from Plan 9: they only get to > see a pale shadow of its worth :-( its

Re: [9fans] For first ONLY a laser printer in this resource meaning

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 11:14 AM, V-CA ! Christoph Paschke wrote: > @Nemo > > Ok, I just want start with a very easy constellation: > > 1.) I installed octopus on top of my MacMini (newest version) at my > televison in living room, he running also Mac-Server > 2.) I got the terminal started at an

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 12:05 AM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: >> It would be nice to have a widget library including buttons, drop-down >> menus, multiple-line text entry, radio buttons, scrollbars, etc. > > Oh, no!!! > ++pac > Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, "And then force Pe

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> Oddly enough, that idea does not come with the rider, "And then force > Peter to use the library exclusively". I somehow doubt that acme will > suddenly turn into an MS Word-esque monstrosity simply because someone > has created a successor to libpanel. libpanel could be classified as a hate cri

[9fans] olpc wifi (libertas)

2012-03-13 Thread Tristan
i've just barely have a driver from the usb incarnation of marvell's libertas hacked together. as in i can boot over it (with hardcoded association) so long as i don't load the kernel over it (apparently openfirmware doesn't reset it when finished). it's not really in any sort of shape to have peop

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread Tristan
> So, my question: Doesn't it makes sense that some hardware like CAMs or > USB-Scanners are working with Plan 9. I mean: There is a good system but as I > understand there is absolutely no device what I can buy and connect to it. > Is this a stupid question? Sure I could now spend endless times i

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> folks don't write code until they want it. until now, nobody has cared > enough about cameras or scanners or printers (though i thought ethernet > connected printers work more or less (but i've never printed anything)) > to do anything. now you care, maybe you'll write them. the beauty of plan >

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread John Floren
On Tue, Mar 13, 2012 at 3:09 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> folks don't write code until they want it. until now, nobody has cared >> enough about cameras or scanners or printers (though i thought ethernet >> connected printers work more or less (but i've never printed anything)) >> to do anything.

[9fans] user oriented driver interface, advanced efficiency trimmed GUI

2012-03-13 Thread V-CA ! Christoph Paschke
@Tristan yes, that's what I wanted explain with GSoC. Need be something what realy brings the Plan 9 system forward I think. Also, you maybe never use a printer or any other hardware devices, with me and most business applications it is just opposite. Since I can remember there are 2 branche lines

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread Tristan
> >> or maybe some common user-oriented device support like this would > >> make a good Google Summer of Code project? > > you'd do much better in gsoc if you limited your scope. i would imagine so, but it wouldn't be up for me to specify which one. i'm not qualified for gsoc. (read some as 'one

[9fans] duppage

2012-03-13 Thread erik quanstrom
with panic's duppage fix, i get hits. Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: minooka# duppage: p->ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p->ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p->ref 3 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p->ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p->ref 2 != 1 Tue Mar 13 17:31:34: duppage: p

Re: [9fans] hardware device (...)

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Mar 13, 2012, at 4:54 PM, Tristan wrote: >> So, my question: Doesn't it makes sense that some hardware like CAMs or >> USB-Scanners are working with Plan 9. I mean: There is a good system but as I >> understand there is absolutely no device what I can buy and connect to it. > >> Is this a stu

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Anthony Sorace
> I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good proposal for it. To me, it seems larger than that, but I'd be happ

Re: [9fans] GSoC application & ideas page

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Mar 13, 2012, at 11:42 PM, Anthony Sorace wrote: >> I'd suggest to complete native SSH2 implementation. > > This has obvious utility, but I'm hesitant to add it without a > mentor who can vouch for its suitability for a summer-sized > student project, and who'd be willing to mentor a good > p

[9fans] Mercurial and Plan 9

2012-03-13 Thread Steven Stallion
All, I have to admit I've been a bit late posting to the list regarding updates to Mercurial. As Erik has mentioned a couple of times, a 1.7.5 port was made last year (a factotum extension for http/https authentication was also written; see /n/sources/contrib/stallion/src/mercurial). This port has

Re: [9fans] Mercurial and Plan 9

2012-03-13 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Mar 14, 2012, at 1:15 AM, Steven Stallion wrote: > > As for the current status, I'm working on a port for the latest stable > (2.1.1 at the time of this writing). This should be complete soon - > there are a few rough edges I want to polish first, particularly with > documentation. This port