[9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Admiral Fukov
I'm looking at http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in years. Is the development of plan 9 abandoned?

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Lucio De Re
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:36:11AM +, Admiral Fukov wrote: > I'm looking at > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > years. > Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? Why fix what's perfect? ;-) ++L

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Steve Simon
> and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > years. > Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? No it is not, a lot, depends on which file(s) you are looking at. There has been much work recently on the ARM port (guru plug and beagleboard) Other changes happen as required (

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Brantley Coile
Unlike many open source systems, plan 9 is stable. Very reliable. It doesn't get changed just for fun. iPhone email On Nov 4, 2010, at 5:43 AM, "Admiral Fukov" wrote: > I'm looking at > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread dexen deVries
On Thu, Nov 04, 2010 at 09:36:11AM +, Admiral Fukov wrote: > I'm looking at > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > years. > Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? Please note the timestamps in listings

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
In the ~8 years since the 4th edition release, there has been pretty continuous work on Plan 9, both at Bell Labs and in the 9fans community; nightly an ISO is constructed and uploaded. Changes have been incremental -- a tool appears, bugs are fixed, etc.. http://acm.jhu.edu/git/plan9 has a git tr

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2010-11-04 Thread Gorka Guardiola
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Re: [9fans] we all hava a secret life...

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 8:13 AM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > I got spam today anouncing Richard Miller PhD at Yoga yoga... > :-) > > http://www.yogayoga.com/special-events/special-topics-richard-miller > -- > - curiosity sKilled the cat > > I've been getting more "creative" spams lately too. They're

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov wrote: > I'm looking at > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > years. > Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? > > There's a plan9changes google group I believe th

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread erik quanstrom
> On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov wrote: > > > I'm looking at > > > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > > years. > > Is the development of plan 9 abandoned? > > > > > There's a plan9changes g

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread John Floren
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:55 AM, Stanley Lieber wrote: > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, David Leimbach wrote: >> >> There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the >> commits that have been going in. > > http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes/topics > > doesn't show

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > There's a plan9changes google group I believe that will let you see the > commits that have been going in. http://groups.google.com/group/plan9changes/topics doesn't show any updates since July, 2008. Is there another way to track updat

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread ron minnich
ignoring the troll, but for the rest of you here: plan 9 is *very* active. If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going on. If you're the kind of guy who can't resist changing things that don't need changin

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Stanley Lieber
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:01 AM, John Floren wrote: > > Watch Ron's repository, which Venkatesh posted earlier. > http://bitbucket.org/rminnich/sysfromiso On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 11:39 AM, ron minnich wrote: > > sysfromiso makes that clear. It's a great way to watch the > improvements going in. H

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Don Bailey
Request to add "If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going on." to fortune. Ron++ D On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:39 AM, ron minnich wrote: > ignoring the troll, but for the rest of you here: plan 9 is *ver

Re: [9fans] we all hava a secret life...

2010-11-04 Thread Richard Miller
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Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Admiral Fukov
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 5:00 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov >wrote: > > > > > I'm looking at > > > > > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > > > > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > > > years. > > >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Admiral Fukov
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 1:48 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote: > In the ~8 years since the 4th edition release, there has been pretty > continuous work on Plan 9, both at Bell Labs and in the 9fans community; > nightly an ISO is constructed and uploaded. Changes have been incremental -- > a tool appea

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Jeff Sickel
On Nov 4, 2010, at 11:39 AM, ron minnich wrote: > If you're the kind of person who understands that we don't need to > change 'cat' any further, then you understand the work that is going > on. But why isn't the source for mk (3929 lines w/ headers, okay 4661 with mkfile and acid) at least as l

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread andrey mirtchovski
> Some people prefer privacy, others are just assholes who want to pick fights > because they are bored. > > Asking a perfectly valid question is not trolling, unlike your reply that > adds nothing to the subject at hand. so, no bait and switch then? was your question answered satisfactorily?

[9fans] glean

2010-11-04 Thread Steve Simon
New toy if anyone is interested, a bit of fun really. glean - a network reconnaissance tool. listens to your ethernet, parses NetBIOS and DHCP requests, mounts itself on /lib/ndb/gleaned which is an ndb(6) file of what it has discovered. /n/sources/contrib/steve/glean.tgz -Steve

Re: [9fans] glean

2010-11-04 Thread erik quanstrom
On Thu Nov 4 13:31:15 EDT 2010, st...@quintile.net wrote: > New toy if anyone is interested, a bit of fun really. > > glean - a network reconnaissance tool. > > listens to your ethernet, parses NetBIOS and DHCP requests, > mounts itself on /lib/ndb/gleaned which is an ndb(6) file > of what it ha

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Admiral Fukov
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 6:19 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > Some people prefer privacy, others are just assholes who want to pick > fights > > because they are bored. > > > > Asking a perfectly valid question is not trolling, unlike your reply that > > adds nothing to the subject at hand. > > so

Re: [9fans] glean

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 10:25 AM, Steve Simon wrote: > New toy if anyone is interested, a bit of fun really. > > glean - a network reconnaissance tool. > > listens to your ethernet, parses NetBIOS and DHCP requests, > mounts itself on /lib/ndb/gleaned which is an ndb(6) file > of what it has disco

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 9:00 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > On Thu, Nov 4, 2010 at 2:36 AM, Admiral Fukov >wrote: > > > > > I'm looking at > > > > > > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/plan9/sys/src/ > > > > > > and I noticed that most of the distribution hasn't been updated in > > > years. > > >

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Charles Forsyth
>But why isn't the source for mk (3929 lines w/ headers, okay 4661 with mkfile >and acid) >at least as long as all that Java in the ant distribution (213151 lines)? >That's a lot of catching up to do. >The market has clearly spoken, and it appears that more lines dominates the >soup. one interes

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
> > one interesting thing about that example is that if it were done again > for the Plan 9 environment, mk might well be even smaller, since > some of the existing functionality isn't really used, > or might be achieved by simpler mechanisms, or with functionality > added instead by further compos

Re: [9fans] Plan9 development

2010-11-04 Thread Bruce Ellis
mash has a make builtin. very brief, as all the shell type stuff in mk goes away.. brucee On Fri, Nov 5, 2010 at 12:41 PM, Venkatesh Srinivas wrote: >> one interesting thing about that example is that if it were done again >> for the Plan 9 environment, mk might well be even smaller, since >> so