Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread roger peppe
if you hate misinformation, why not provide some correct information to counter it? i'd hazard a guess that nobody other than you in this thread knows what you mean by "deadly embrace". On 31 Oct 2010 05:47, "Bruce Ellis" wrote: good call. i just hate misinformation. if there is any more mislead

Re: [9fans] Non-VESA video card

2010-10-31 Thread pmarin
The some of the raedon X1xxx series still use the PCI slot. Plan9 drivers is another story. http://www.visiontek.com/1000-series-cards/radeon-x1300/radeon-x1300-256mb-pci.html On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:21 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > On 27 Oct 2010, at 6:12 pm, Lyndon Nerenberg wrote: > >>

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Bruce Ellis
oh shut up. learn. you want Morgan's phone number? brucee On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, roger peppe wrote: > if you hate misinformation, why not provide some correct information to > counter it? i'd hazard a guess that nobody other than you in this thread > knows what you mean by "deadly emb

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread fgergo
I believe livelock can happen. On 10/31/10, Bruce Ellis wrote: > oh shut up. learn. > > you want Morgan's phone number? > > brucee > > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, roger peppe wrote: >> if you hate misinformation, why not provide some correct information to >> counter it? i'd hazard a guess

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread fgergo
Or not. Sorry for the noise. On 10/31/10, fge...@gmail.com wrote: > I believe livelock can happen. > > On 10/31/10, Bruce Ellis wrote: >> oh shut up. learn. >> >> you want Morgan's phone number? >> >> brucee >> >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, roger peppe wrote: >>> if you hate misinformatio

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Bruce Ellis
That is correct. On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 9:25 PM, wrote: > I believe livelock can happen. > > On 10/31/10, Bruce Ellis wrote: >> oh shut up. learn. >> >> you want Morgan's phone number? >> >> brucee >> >> On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, roger peppe wrote: >>> if you hate misinformation, why n

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread roger peppe
an isbn number would be more useful. On 31 Oct 2010 09:04, "Bruce Ellis" wrote: oh shut up. learn. you want Morgan's phone number? brucee On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 7:52 PM, roger peppe wrote: > if you hate misinformati...

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Gorka Guardiola
After some research and reading I believe that deadly embrace was first used in: E. W. Dijkstra "EWD108: Een algorithme ter voorkoming van de dodelijke omarming" (in Dutch; "An algorithm for the prevention of the deadly embrace" or so I 've been told. as a synonym for deadlock or actually to desc

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > So, yeah, deadlock is a synonym for deadly embrace. Yes, in Hoare's model > they are indistinguishable, so when he says deadly embrace, he can refer > to both. > I mean livelock and deadlock are indistinguishable in Hoare's model. -- -

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:07 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > On Sun, Oct 31, 2010 at 2:06 PM, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > >> So, yeah, deadlock is a synonym for deadly embrace. Yes, in Hoare's model >> they are indistinguishable, so when he says deadly embrace, he can refer >> to both. >> > > I mean li

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
http://www.olc.edu/~cdelong/jargon-4.4.7/jargon-4.4.7/html/D/deadly-embrace.html In the case of 9P I believe the concern in context is waiting for clunks when the server is dead means the waiter will never die. Can get particularly bad if its actually a communication failure with bi-directional m

Re: [9fans] p9p/OS X - Acme magic mouse chording

2010-10-31 Thread Russ Cox
acme and 9term are using the same graphics driver (an external binary called devdraw). if chording works in one, it should work in the other. russ

Re: [9fans] Non-VESA video card

2010-10-31 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 10-10-30 11:21 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > I'm really curious what machine this is for. A mini-ITX system running as a diskless terminal.

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Bruce Ellis
There really is a University of Wollongong. The Wollong Group was a Unix team in the 70s. It a coal and steel port city about 50 miles south. And the sprig of Wattle indeed goes to Gorka. brucee On Mon, Nov 1, 2010 at 1:21 AM, Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: > http://www.olc.edu/~cdelong/jargon-4.4

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread EBo
And the sprig of Wattle indeed goes to Gorka. Then who gets the daub? EBo --

Re: [9fans] A little more ado about async Tclunk

2010-10-31 Thread Steve Simon
> There really is a University of Wollongong. The Wollong Group was a > Unix team in the 70s. Though I am sure he is far to modest to say, our own Richard Miller did some important work at the University of Wollongong: http://www.usenix.org/publications/library/proceedings/usenix98/invited_talks/

Re: [9fans] Non-VESA video card

2010-10-31 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Oct 31 16:37:47 EDT 2010, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: > On 10-10-30 11:21 PM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > I'm really curious what machine this is for. > > A mini-ITX system running as a diskless terminal. if that's it, i don't understand the objections to vesa. you can nearly buy a atom or

Re: [9fans] Non-VESA video card

2010-10-31 Thread Lyndon Nerenberg
On 10-10-31 5:13 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > what's the restriction you're not telling us? Mouse turds in the VNC client when running VESA mode.

Re: [9fans] Non-VESA video card

2010-10-31 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Oct 31 20:24:23 EDT 2010, lyn...@orthanc.ca wrote: > On 10-10-31 5:13 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > what's the restriction you're not telling us? > > Mouse turds in the VNC client when running VESA mode. but not other programs? why do you think this is this a vesa bug and not a vncv bug?

Re: [9fans] p9p/OS X - Acme magic mouse chording

2010-10-31 Thread Lorenzo Vegro
Il giorno 31/ott/2010, alle ore 21.00, Russ Cox ha scritto: > acme and 9term are using the same graphics driver > (an external binary called devdraw). if chording works > in one, it should work in the other. ok, I tried cloning again the repository and reinstalling, and now suddenly it works.