Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread Charles Forsyth
>while a descriptive history is good, it takes a lot of extra work >to generate. i've rarely found per-change histories to be any more useful than most other comments, i'm afraid. you'd hope it would answer "what was he thinking?" but i found either it was obvious or i still had to ask. still, p

[9fans] ramfs question

2008-12-26 Thread kix
Hi, I am reading the lib9p/ramfs.c file and I can't understand this (in threadmain): + Qid q; + ... + q = fs.tree->root->dir.qid; Because *q* is not longer used. Why *q* is defined and assigned? Thanks Saludos, kix.

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread Charles Forsyth
>the advantage of dump and snap is that the scope is the whole system: >including emails, discussion documents, >the code, supporting tools -- everything in digital form. if software works >differently today >compared to yesterday, then sorry, got cut off. then in most cases, i'd expect 9fs

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 01:27:49PM +, Charles Forsyth wrote: > perhaps literate programming will fix that if it ever takes off. I use CWEB (D. Knuth and Levy's) intensively and it is indeed invaluable. It doesn't magically improve code (my first attempts have just shown how poor my programming

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread blstuart
> I use CWEB (D. Knuth and Levy's) intensively and it is indeed > invaluable. > It doesn't magically improve code (my first attempts have just shown > how poor my programming was: it's a magnifying glass, and one just saw > with it bug's blinking eyes with bright smiles). Back when I used CWEB o

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 11:25:33AM -0600, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: > > Back when I used CWEB on a regular basis (I don't find myself > writing as much substantive code from scratch of late), I > experienced an interesting phenomenon. I could write > pretty good code, almost as a stream of co

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread erik quanstrom
>> Back when I used CWEB on a regular basis (I don't find myself >> writing as much substantive code from scratch of late), I is it just me, or is hard to read someone else's cweb code? if it's not just me... i wonder if the same reason it's easy to write from the top down doesn't make it hard to

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread tlaronde
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 01:20:17PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: > appropriately, this being a plan 9 list and all, i find code > written from the bottom up easier to read. > Depending on the task (on the aim of the software), one happens to split from top to bottom, and to review and amend from b

[9fans] (off-topic) Renée French

2008-12-26 Thread Eris Discordia
How come the Renée French who appears in Jim Jarmusch's "Coffee and Cigarettes" has nothing to with the Renée French who drew Glenda? How probable is for two people of artistic inclination to have the exact same name? Or is Glenda's creator hiding her identity as part of Plan 9 for World Domina

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread blstuart
> On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 01:20:17PM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: >> appropriately, this being a plan 9 list and all, i find code >> written from the bottom up easier to read. > > Depending on the task (on the aim of the software), one happens to split > from top to bottom, and to review and amend

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread Eris Discordia
The Story of Mel [...] I compared Mel's hand-optimized programs with the same code massaged by the optimizing assembler program, and Mel's always ran faster. That was because the "top-down" method of program design hadn't been invented yet, and Mel wouldn't have used it anyway. He wrote the inne

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread erik quanstrom
> Know why Mel is no more in business? 'Cause one man can only do so much > work. The Empire State took many men to build, so did Khufu's pyramid, and > there was no whining about "many mechanisms that don't work well together." > Now go call your managers "PHBs." building a pyramid, starting a

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread blstuart
> building a pyramid, starting at the top is one of those things > that just doesn't scale. But if you figure out how, it's probably worth a Nobel. BLS

Re: [9fans] (off-topic) Renée French

2008-12-26 Thread Jack Johnson
On Fri, Dec 26, 2008 at 12:31 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: > How come the Renée French who appears in Jim Jarmusch's "Coffee and > Cigarettes" has nothing to with the Renée French who drew Glenda? Interesting movie. Parts of it I dearly love, other parts not so much. A lot like Night on Earth, whe

Re: [9fans] (off-topic) Renée French

2008-12-26 Thread Uriel
I can't think of a single scene in Night on Earth that displays anything less than pure artistic genius. Rome is pure comic gold; and Paris, while more subtle, is not far behind. But of them all, New York will always have my heart. uriel On Sat, Dec 27, 2008 at 12:40 AM, Jack Johnson wrote: > O

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread Eris Discordia
building a pyramid, starting at the top is one of those things that just doesn't scale. For that, you have "bottom-up," right? But there's no "meet-in-the-middle" for a pyramid, or for software. Unless, the big picture is small enough to fit in one man's head and let him "context-switch" back

Re: [9fans] Changelogs & Patches?

2008-12-26 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Dec 25, 2008, at 6:37 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: despite the season, and typical attitudes, i don't think that development practices are a spiritual or moral decision. they are a practical one. Absolutely! Agreed 100%. My original question was not at all aimed at "saving" Plan9 development