Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
>> 9p is not going to replace fuse now, if ever, on these systems. >> >> That's not to say that 9p goes away. But it's not worth worrying about >> whether FUSE will have more users -- it already has and it probably >> always will. if the winner is determined by usage (silly criteria, i think), th

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
> Sure. But that would an argument in favor of the Plan 9/Inferno > kernel architecture, not the protocol itself. Nobody's denying > that 9P is a perfect match to that kind of kernel architecture. > What I'm trying to find out is whether the protocol could stand > its own ground even if Plan9 kerne

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 12:47 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> Sure. But that would an argument in favor of the Plan 9/Inferno >> kernel architecture, not the protocol itself. Nobody's denying >> that 9P is a perfect match to that kind of ker

Re: [9fans] Cannot "boot from:"

2008-11-08 Thread Rodolfo kix Garcia
Your CD-Rom is SATA? If it is, try to change it to legacy mode in BIOS and try Trask Bryant Trojanek escribió: I am using a Dell Latitude CPx laptop, trying to install Plan 9. I successfully get to the "boot from:" line, but anything I put into the entry gives back no feedback. I have tried sd

Re: [9fans] yes, comcast really *does* suck

2008-11-08 Thread LiteStar numnums
Actually, there is a decent amount of noise over switching back to UUCP or the like to avoid the types of restrictions governments & corporations are attempting to put on the 'net. Can't wait. :| On Fri, Nov 7, 2008 at 9:09 PM, Lyndon Nerenberg <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > you have to love comca

[9fans] Driver-writing workshop at iwp9?

2008-11-08 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
Hi, Did the driver-writing workshop that was talked about months ago happen at IWP9? If so, is there video? Thanks, -- vs

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Charles Forsyth
>It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel.

Re: [9fans] Driver-writing workshop at iwp9?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
> Did the driver-writing workshop that was talked about months ago happen at > IWP9? > > If so, is there video? it was discussed but there was no workshop and no videos. - erik

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
>>It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. > > that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. to paraphrase Edison, MS' genius is 1% development and 99% marketing.

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-08 Thread Eris Discordia
Little troll, thy baiting f'r fray-- My thoughtless passage has flushed away Am not _I_ a troll like thee, Or art not _thou_ a Goddess like me? Practice your technique, little troll, while you have time to do mischief under the Goddess' nose! --On Friday, November 07, 2008 6:07 PM -0800 Lyndon

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread akumar
Well, they do have a branch called "MicroSoft Research" that they seem fond of putting money into. And apparently, a portion of that has gone into making an Inferno/Plan 9 -equivalent, thus far dubbed, "MS Singularity". Development has been going on for quite some time, it seems. Think it'll out

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Russ Cox
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 10:32 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Well, they do have a branch called "MicroSoft Research" that they seem > fond of putting money into. And apparently, a portion of that has > gone into making an Inferno/Plan 9 -equivalent, thus far dubbed, "MS > Singularity". Developm

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Brantley Coile
And don't forget MS' programming motto, 'Don't think; Type!' On Nov 8, 2008, at 12:21 PM, Skip Tavakkolian wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. to paraphrase Edison, MS' genius is 1% development and 99% marketing.

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread John Barham
>>It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. > > that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the e

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-08 Thread Noah Evans
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychological_projection On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 9:21 AM, Eris Discordia <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Little troll, thy baiting f'r fray-- > My thoughtless passage has flushed away > Am not _I_ a troll like thee, > Or art not _thou_ a Goddess like me? > > Practice your

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:11 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. True. But it is not MS that worries me in this particular case. At least they don't have anything to offer yet. This: http://docs.amazonwebservices.com/AmazonS3/2006-03-01/ on the other hand,

Re: [9fans] mmap and shared libraries

2008-11-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
Noah is dangerously wise. Have you got rid of the smell of mackerel yet? Seriously Eris, you need a good hobby. And if I was your physician I would recommend medication. A SSRI or maybe a simple Benzo. Maybe twice a day, or when required. brucee On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 11:37 PM, Noah Evans <[EMAI

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 11:15 AM, John Barham wrote: It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a directory

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
I wrote a functional 9P S3 client but it just seemed silly in the end. Buy a few T of disk and fossil+venti and it's over. Even aging kenfs will do. brucee On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:13 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 8, 2008, at 4:11 AM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote: >>

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote: I wrote a functional 9P S3 client but it just seemed silly in the end. Buy a few T of disk and fossil+venti and it's over. Even aging kenfs will do. The most ironic thing of all is that one would expect a company which stood behind a technology li

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Bruce Ellis
Hmmm, that's politics ... and here is mine - I forgot how much fun journalism is. I'm two hours late for filing, oh well. brucee On Sun, Nov 9, 2008 at 12:59 AM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Nov 8, 2008, at 2:19 PM, Bruce Ellis wrote: >> >> I wrote a functional 9P S3 client bu

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
>> Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking >> from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a >> directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the equivalent ftp >> listing, and then you twiddle your thumbs waiting for the webdav >> client to

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread ron minnich
On Sat, Nov 8, 2008 at 2:59 PM, Roman Shaposhnik <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > The most ironic thing of all is that one would expect a company which > stood behind a technology like ZFS to easily appreciate that. Especially > since we've always had a userland ZFS. And especially now, that > we are

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Mechiel Lukkien
On Sat, Nov 08, 2008 at 02:16:39PM -0800, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Nov 8, 2008, at 11:15 AM, John Barham wrote: > >>>It seems that MS is pushing webdav hard. > >> > >>that's what's needed when heavy things run out of fuel. > > > >Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaki

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Nov 8, 2008, at 3:11 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: Even as a potential substitute for ftp webdav is a farce. Speaking from personal experience, the amount of XML you need to generate for a directory listing is at least 20 times the size of the equivalent ftp listing, and then you twiddle you

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Bakul Shah
> It's not just the PHBs. I showed the original 9p (for 2.0.36) in 1998 > to a fair number of linux people, and back then I had private name > spaces, union mounts, user level servers, in fact just about all you > get in plan 9 today and STILL don't get in linux. > > They were strongly convinced t

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread LiteStar numnums
Well they took Cyclone & made Vault C, so they might as well go along with Inferno/Plan9 too. Interestingly enough, Singularity is written in Sing#, yet another MS-specific language. ugh. I think F# is the only thing to have recently escaped MSR (well, besides LINQ, although they killed Comega).

Re: [9fans] photos of iwp9

2008-11-08 Thread sqweek
On Thu, Nov 6, 2008 at 8:01 PM, Kernel Panic <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > http://plan9.bell-labs.com/sources/contrib/cinap_lenrek/photos/iwp9.2008/dscn0195.jpg I have this sudden impulse to start using abaco... -sqweek

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
> I wrote a functional 9P S3 client but it just seemed silly in the end. > Buy a few T of disk and fossil+venti and it's over. Even aging kenfs > will do. > > brucee and the Coraid boxes are an excellent option. purely virtual infrastructure for rolling out services is a good idea but the pieces

Re: [9fans] Do we have a catalog of 9P servers?

2008-11-08 Thread erik quanstrom
> purely virtual infrastructure for rolling out services is a good idea > but the pieces aren't there yet. also, it assumes that the vm/vs > service provider will be able to provide as good or better quality of > service as you would maintaining your own infrastructure. one also needs to deal wit