Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Rudolf Sykora
> Leftmost-first matching is difficult to explain. > When POSIX had to define the rules for regexps, > they chose to define them as leftmost-longest > even though all the implementations were leftmost-first, > because describing leftmost-first precisely was too > complex. > > Leftmost-first matchin

[9fans] central list of bugs

2008-10-27 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Hello, is there any central place, where there is a list of known bugs/potential bugs that sould be corrected/thought about? During my short play with plan9 I encountered several bugs/bug-like cases. They were marginally discussed in this forum, too, amongs those are: -- an obvious bug with sele

[9fans] Volos

2008-10-27 Thread sqweek
Hi from Volos! Is anyone else here already? -sqweek

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Charles Forsyth
>Both systems are complex enough that essentially no one completely understands >them. this touches on an important point. the first introduction of regular expressions to editors was great, because it took some formal language theory and made it useful in an `every day' way. conversely, the th

[9fans] Plan 9 on Xen 3.0

2008-10-27 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Hi list! I'd like to build a server to install a virtualized grid with Plan 9, using XEN. (The dom0 will be a Debian) Here: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/OSCompatibility Plan 9 support for domU installation is said "currently broken". Is it right? Anyone has experience installing the last

Re: [9fans] Setting the resolution

2008-10-27 Thread Angelo Papenhoff
On Oct 20, 5:08 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (erik quanstrom) wrote: > > On Oct 20, 2:51 pm, [EMAIL PROTECTED] (erik quanstrom) wrote: > > > > Could it be something with my graphics card maybe (it's onboard)? > > > > I hope someone can give me a hint :) > > > > which video controller? i've had similar pr

[9fans] Query on Venti access

2008-10-27 Thread anoop . anoop
Hi All, I am new to plan9 and venti. All your help is greatly appreciated. I am doing a project and my professor suggested that I use venti as a back end server. Could any you please let me know whether it is possible to access a Venti server running on a plan 9 machine from another machine runni

Re: [9fans] Query on Venti access

2008-10-27 Thread Gorka Guardiola
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 11:28 AM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi All, > > I am new to plan9 and venti. All your help is greatly appreciated. > I am doing a project and my professor suggested that I use venti as a > back end server. > > Could any you please let me know whether it is possible to ac

Re: [9fans] Query on Venti access

2008-10-27 Thread matt
The most comprehensive man pages are on swtch.com Venti uses a simple protocol, the C library is described here : http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man3/venti.html And the source here : http://swtch.com/usr/local/plan9/src/libventi/ this is the intro http://swtch.com/plan9port/man/man7/venti.h

Re: [9fans] central list of bugs

2008-10-27 Thread hiro
i think it was something like /dev/null :D On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Rudolf Sykora <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hello, > > is there any central place, where there is a list of known > bugs/potential bugs that sould be corrected/thought about? > > During my short play with plan9 I encountere

Re: [9fans] central list of bugs

2008-10-27 Thread Steve Simon
There is an errata page on the wiki, however I doubt there is anyone looking at this and fixing the bugs. The bottom line is if you discover a bug, and it anoys you, fix it (you have the source). If you are feeling friendly submit a patch. Sorry if this seems harsh, but there is no support team

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Eris Discordia
practical application. now there are big books on `regular expressions' mainly because they are no longer regular but a big collection of ad-hoc I thought they were "regular" because they "regularly" occurred in the target text. Turns out other interpretations are possible. Though, mine has t

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
>> practical application. now there are big books on `regular expressions' >> mainly because they are no longer regular but a big collection of ad-hoc > > I thought they were "regular" because they "regularly" occurred in the > target text. Turns out other interpretations are possible. Though, m

Re: [9fans] central list of bugs [replica]

2008-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
about the replica bug > There is an errata page on the wiki, however > I doubt there is anyone looking at this and fixing > the bugs. > > The bottom line is if you discover a bug, and it anoys you, > fix it (you have the source). If you are feeling friendly > submit a patch. in order to pull th

Re: [9fans] Volos

2008-10-27 Thread Noah Evans
Nope not yet, but now that people are trickling in should we schedule a get together on the night of the 29th for everybody coming in? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:11 AM, sqweek <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi from Volos! > Is anyone else here already? > -sqweek > >

Re: [9fans] Setting the resolution

2008-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
>> i'm ashamed to admit, it was by trial and error. >> and a few hacks to vga/nvidia.c. >> >> - erik > > > I think it must be possible without hacks. > I'm probably just too ignorant to get it to work :/ this depends on your monitor and your exact nv chip. i have a syncmaster 204b and a 1.0.0:

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Xen 3.0

2008-10-27 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:23 AM, Giacomo Tesio <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Hi list! > > I'd like to build a server to install a virtualized grid with Plan 9, using > XEN. > (The dom0 will be a Debian) > > > Here: http://wiki.xensource.com/xenwiki/OSCompatibility > Plan 9 support for domU installat

[9fans] Soekris 4801 bootp timeout

2008-10-27 Thread Matthias Teege
Moin, I have problems to boot a Soekris 4801 via PXE from my Plan 9 DHCP Server. Here the console output Plan 9 Bootstrap (serial console) ns83815: auto neg timed out ns83815: auto neg timed out ether#0: 83815: port 0xE100 irq 10: ether#1: 83815: port 0xE200 irq 10: ethe

Re: [9fans] Soekris 4801 bootp timeout

2008-10-27 Thread erik quanstrom
> ns83815: auto neg timed out > ns83815: auto neg timed out i had a similar problem. /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/9pxesoekris worked for me. the change is in /n/sources/contrib/quanstro/src/9loadaoe/ether83815.c iirc, it was a pretty simple change. - erik

Re: [9fans] Soekris 4801 bootp timeout

2008-10-27 Thread andrey mirtchovski
the cards don't look like they're initialized correctly. the driver reports their mac addresses as "" On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 9:37 AM, Matthias Teege <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Moin, > > I have problems to boot a Soekris 4801 via PXE from my Plan 9 DHCP > Server. Here the console out

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Brian L. Stuart
> The set of "big books on regular expressions" includes Jeffrey Friedl's > "Mastering Regular Expressions" that happens to contain a chapter by the > title "NFA, DFA, and POSIX" wherein he says: > > > DFA Speed with NFA Capabilities: Regex Nirvana? This guy seems to blur the distinctions here.

Re: [9fans] Volos

2008-10-27 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
We´ll arrive also on 29th evening. On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:05 PM, Noah Evans <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Nope not yet, but now that people are trickling in should we schedule > a get together on the night of the 29th for everybody coming in? > > On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 4:11 AM, sqweek <[EMAIL

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Aharon Robbins
> > GNU grep takes a simple but effective approach. It uses a DFA when > > possible, reverting to an NFA when backreferences are used. GNU awk does > > something similar---it uses GNU grep's fast shortest-leftmost DFA engine > > for simple "does it match" checks, and reverts to a different engine f

Re: [9fans] Volos

2008-10-27 Thread Jonas Amoson
Great idea. Just make up a place and a time. A humble suggestion; outside Park Hotel at 8pm. I am flying to Thessaloniki tomorrow, and then have the full wednesday to get down to Volos. Jonas A Mobile phone: +46-70-29 38 330 >Nope not yet, but now that people are trickling in should we schedule >

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Eris Discordia
there's a reason they're not called regularly expressions. As explained in the post by Brian L. Stuart it's a matter of "grammar" :-P (if this were the definition, an expression's regularlyness would depend on the target text, would it not?) Yes, and that _would_ be why you wouldn't craft a

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Eris Discordia
First of all, thanks for the explanation. It's above my head, but thanks anyway. This guy seems to blur the distinctions here. His discussion He doesn't. If one reads the whole section part of which was quoted one will see that he clearly states DFA and NFA are theoretically equivalent, bu

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Eris Discordia
As other mails have pointed out, anything that isn't leftmost longest has weird semantics. Non-greedy operators are mostly syntactic sugar. Is (leftmost-longest + all-greedy operators) syntactic salt then? Not in the least. The Plan 9 regexp library in fact gives you close to the same nirvana

Re: [9fans] Volos

2008-10-27 Thread Noah Evans
Works for me. Although I know some people will be coming in later than that, 10-11pm or so. So maybe pick a restaurant/bar so everyone can meet up there? On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 2:47 PM, Jonas Amoson <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Great idea. Just make up a place and a time. A humble suggestion; out

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

2008-10-27 Thread Aharon Robbins
> > As other mails have pointed out, anything that isn't leftmost longest > > has weird semantics. Non-greedy operators are mostly syntactic sugar. > > Is (leftmost-longest + all-greedy operators) syntactic salt then? It is merely the traditional POSIX flavor. Some people like that flavor, some

[9fans] tracing & bricking the e1000e on Linux

2008-10-27 Thread matt
Sorry if I got this wrong but iirc there was a discussion re. tracing the kernel ftrace on Linux got it very wrong and was bricking the Intel e1000e's http://lwn.net/SubscriberLink/304105/d32d3f1f921d9b73/ Loadable modules part of the problem

Re: [9fans] tracing & bricking the e1000e on Linux

2008-10-27 Thread Uriel
We don't have to fear about that with Plan 9, the trace device is for the amd64 kernel, no danger of that bricking anything any time soon. uriel On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 10:19 PM, matt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Sorry if I got this wrong but iirc there was a discussion re. tracing the > kernel

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Xen 3.0

2008-10-27 Thread giacomo
> virtualization is fine. But my recommendation is that you use lguest > or kvm -- not xen. Xen is painful to set up and run. > > ron Any problem with intel x86_64? I knew lguest could guest linux only! Giacomo

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Xen 3.0

2008-10-27 Thread ron minnich
On Mon, Oct 27, 2008 at 3:24 PM, <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> virtualization is fine. But my recommendation is that you use lguest >> or kvm -- not xen. Xen is painful to set up and run. >> >> ron > > Any problem with intel x86_64? > I knew lguest could guest linux only! > lguest supports plan 9

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Xen 3.0

2008-10-27 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
I KVM plan 9 on x86-64, only issue is drawterm doesn't work so well on the host. -eric Sent from my iPhone On Oct 27, 2008, at 5:24 PM, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote: virtualization is fine. But my recommendation is that you use lguest or kvm -- not xen. Xen is painful to set up and run. ron

[9fans] Questions about 9VX/NETBSD, tip9ug and contrib account

2008-10-27 Thread Fernan Bolando
Hi all 9vx/Netbsd: I remember reading some discussion in OpenBSD/NetBSD. I was wondering if someone already tried netbsd/9vx? I have realized that I have been using my 9vx environment now than the linux host. I was looking into using netbsd as a host for another computer. To minimize the host fo