On Mon Aug 18 17:18:07 EDT 2008, [EMAIL PROTECTED] wrote:
> I'm trying to track down a copy of the Nextstation kernel sources, but not
> having much luck.
> Geoff Collyer informed me that Steve Jobs has personally said "no" to
> distribution of the sources
> except under the 2nd Edition license,
The culprit was simply the structure changes in MacFUSE version of
fuse_kernel.h, at least for the Leopard versions that are now
distributed.
I've got a patch that I'm forwarding to Russ and anyone else
interested in the changes. Not tested on Tiger as I'm no longer
running that version of the OS
Seeking an alternative to vi and emacs, I've been giving Acme a try (acme-sac,
actually). After reading the articles and man pages and playing with it for a
few days, I'll admit I don't see how Acme could be even remotely competitive
with vim/emacs for editing code.
Searching the 9fans archive,
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:52 AM, Wendell xe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seeking an alternative to vi and emacs, I've been giving Acme a try
> (acme-sac, actually). After reading the articles and man pages and playing
> with it for a few days, I'll admit I don't see how Acme could be even
> remo
>this setup reminds me of the story about the priest who, playing golf
>against the orders of his superiors on sunday morning, hits a hole in one.
ouch.
>supposing you're successful in getting a licence and you do great things
>with the next port. who are you going to tell?
>
>- erik
Does the l
> 01. Toggle on/off line wrapping
> 02. Toggle on/off EOL character display
> 03. Display line numbers
> 04. Display ruler
> 05. Rectangluar block selection
> 06. Search and replace with confirmation at each item
> 07. Automatic insertion of spaces for tabs
> 08. Syntax highlighting of code
> 09. C
Going by your list, I would conclude your code is something in the
vein of Java plus web stuff, maybe even J2EE, or maybe the scourge of
the editing world, Python.
If that's the case and you have to deal with other people's code, Acme
is probably not going to help you very much. In fact Acme will
>>supposing you're successful in getting a licence and you do great things
>>with the next port. who are you going to tell?
>>
>>- erik
>
> Does the license prevent updating the port as well??
didn't you already determine that the next port is unobtainable
without a 2d edition license? doesn't
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:28 AM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> didn't you already determine that the next port is unobtainable
> without a 2d edition license? doesn't that imply that your
> modifications would not be useful without a 2d edition licence?
>
> i don't mean to be a wet
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 7:58 PM, ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> You mean like this?
> Low cost 200MHz ARM single board computer, LAN, USB, UARTs, D-IO, A/D,
> D/A, from $65.
>
>* 200MHz ARM 9 processor 100MHz system bus. 32-64MB SDRAM,4-32MB FLASH
>* 10/100 baseT Ethernet
>*
> what is the Acme way of approaching it?
> 01. Toggle on/off line wrapping
> 02. Toggle on/off EOL character display
Write shorter lines.
> 03. Display line numbers
You can go to a specific line with :n and
find out the current line with Edit =
> 04. Display ruler
If you really care, you ca
This is all as far as I know how to use acme (mind you I haven't
stretched acme out as far as the other guys might have)...
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 9:52 AM, Wendell xe <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Seeking an alternative to vi and emacs, I've been giving Acme a try
> (acme-sac, actually). After r
On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Wendell xe wrote:
01. Toggle on/off line wrapping
02. Toggle on/off EOL character display
03. Display line numbers
04. Display ruler
05. Rectangluar block selection
06. Search and replace with confirmation at each item
07. Automatic insertion of spaces for tabs
08.
> For me, that's a crucial thing. Keeps my code in check purely through
> the text of it.
If I understand what you are saying I find this is really interesting.
I many of the prople I work with use syntax highlighting editors and I
often find their code difficult to read (I use sam).
In the way t
11. Bookmarks
Typically handled by 'guide' files. I.e. a file, open in an acme window,
full of B3-able search strings. E.g.:
foo.c:/^main
Also useful with B2-able command strings:
grep -n 'where_is_this_function_called_from\(' *.c
slay program | rc
--lyndon
Don't force it, use a b
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> 7. sed 's/ //g' file > file2 && mv file2 file
rest in peace file2.
iru
Just stay away from Acme if you aren't stuck with Plan 9. None of the
features you need or want are supported in Acme out-of-the-box. Not in any
sane, meaningful way. And if you tell the 9people you need them or want
them they'll either tell you it isn't "worth" it, or it isn't "meant" to be
do
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
I admit we all use plan 9 just to justify ourselves to read and write
threads like the one this post might trigger on 9fans.
For everything else, we use DOS, which is windows simplified, along with edlin.
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 12:00 AM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just stay away
On Aug 19, 2008, at 6:00 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
That's the gist of responses you've received before this one. I've
gone through these 9ish episodes twice. Plan 9 and the related
software just isn't for someone who wants to Get Their Job Done
(tm). It's a "research" platform for those who
> Plan 9 and the related software just
> isn't for someone who wants to Get Their Job Done (tm).
Sorry, I have to bite.
Its because I want to "Get my job done"™ that I use plan9.
-Steve
Sorry, I forgot to finish my comments:
Wrong on so many levels. Plan 9 lets you Get The Job Done(TM), but in
a completely different way from *your* approach. Plan 9 obeys the UNIX
way: tools that make jobs simpler. This is augmented by 33 libraries
that provide common utilities in a transpa
> It's a "research"
> platform for those who want to "tell" other people what they should do and
> how they should do it and why any other way would be "sacrilege."
thanks for setting me straight. for some reason, i thought my company had
shipped
several thousand units based on plan 9. i don
relax
--
Federico G. Benavento
You might give Sam a try. I'm still working my way up to Acme too, but Sam has
an edge over vi for me... ...Might be nice if there was an option to open a
document in a default window though, but if it were a big enough concern, I've
got the source and could make the change... :)
-Ben
<>
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
"Just lurking," I overheard the "hackers" say.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:12 PM -0600 andrey mirtchovski
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having
written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change
my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. You have nothing else but
"researching" OS's and "submitting" papers. That "justifies" your 9life.
Others, like
On Wed, 2008-08-20 at 00:27 +0100, Eris Discordia wrote:
> No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having
> written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change
> my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people. You have nothing else but
> "researching" OS's an
Wrong on so many levels.
Go read the responses 9people gave the original poster. You'll see why it's
_right_ on so many levels.
Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler.
A UNIX better than UNIX? I thought that was just the thing 9people claimed
to be past. Didn't I hear som
Its because I want to "Get my job done"™ that I use plan9.
Bite if you please. Hook, line, and sinker ;-)
What's your job?
1. Maintaining a Plan 9 system?
2. Programming a Plan 9 system?
3. Researching a Plan 9 system?
4. Or you got some job other than jobs created _around_ Plan 9 and you use
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 2:24 PM, Iruata Souza <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 5:22 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>
> wrote:
> > 7. sed 's/ //g' file > file2 && mv file2 file
>
> rest in peace file2.
>
> iru
>
We barely knew you?
On Aug 19, 2008, at 7:51 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler.
A UNIX better than UNIX? I thought that was just the thing 9people
claimed to be past. Didn't I hear someone saying, "Plan 9 is not
UNIX?" Ahem... GNU's Not UNIX, too, nah?
No, that
I'm cool.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 7:46 PM -0300 "Federico G. Benavento"
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
relax
--
Federico G. Benavento
thanks for setting me straight. for some reason, i thought my company
had shipped several thousand units based on plan 9. i don't know what
would have given me that idea.
Somebody would make a bad choice anyway. Microsoft shipped "thousands" of
copies of Microsoft Bob before they learnt about
Yes, try that. Sam has an "edge" over vi by being a desperate half-clone of
ed.
Is it sam that attaches a file named "winmail.dat" to your emails?!
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:03 PM -0700 Benjamin Huntsman
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
You might give Sam a try. I'm still working my way up
Evidently not... (Or you'd be doing it now).
Petty work is _petty_, you see. They give you some breaks during which you
come to desolate mailing lists and upload enlightening orations. I know,
it's a pretty miserable life--my life.
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 4:36 PM -0700 Jonathan Cast
>Is it sam that attaches a file named "winmail.dat" to your emails?!
No, though this has been discussed here before. It's a result of the fact that
my e-mail is hosted on an Exchange server.
winmail.dat gets generated to pass formatting data between OWA (which I use)
and Outlook. It unfortunat
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> Wrong on so many levels.
>
> Go read the responses 9people gave the original poster. You'll see why it's
> _right_ on so many levels.
>
>> Plan 9 obeys the UNIX way: tools that make jobs simpler.
>
> A UNIX better than UN
take it easy on the porn and get some real sex, eris. you're way too
angry.
Sir, yessir! The Marines don't do Japanese, sir!
--On Tuesday, August 19, 2008 10:31 PM -0300 Iruata Souza
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
On Tue, Aug 19, 2008 at 8:51 PM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
Wrong
No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX philosophy,
not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of where
to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows
(Windows Movie Maker doesn't call up another computer now, does it?)
I guess "t
I have an idea, Eris. Why don't you fuck off and actually USE Plan 9
for once?
On Aug 19, 2008, at 9:39 PM, Eris Discordia wrote:
No, that's not what I said. I said that Plan 9 obeys the UNIX
philosophy,
not that it was UNIX. GNU obeys this philosophy (up to the point of
where
to draw the lines on the size of tools). And to some extent, Windows
(Windows Movie Maker doe
// Others, like me, have some "petty" work to do. Like knowing which
// character on which line they're editing or controlling how long their
// lines of text get, _without_ resorting to acrobatics.
Wait, your *job* is knowing where editor cursors are and how long
lines are? Wow, that really sucks
eris, I agree, thanks.
iru
// Bite if you please. Hook, line, and sinker ;-)
Oh, I'm waiting for a phone call before bed. What the hell.
My job has nothing to do with your 1-3. I agree with Steve exactly: I
use Plan 9 because it allows me to get my job done easier. My job
includes some programming, some document writing, l
> Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
therapy?
> Just stay away from Acme if you aren't stuck with Plan 9.
should be "Just stay away from Acme if you aren't lucky enough to be
stuck with Plan 9".
>> Ms. Discordia, if you don't like it here why do you stay?
>
> therapy?
here is the scary.devil.monastery of old systems programmers, after all. :)
> No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having
> written the nemo book--you're nemo after all. That, however, won't change
> my stance on Plan 9 and the 9people.
as i suspected, you're here for therapy.
> You have nothing else but "researching" OS's and "submitting
When in doubt say something's shitty and try somother OS. You'll be back.
Others have tried and failed with your strategy.
brucee
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:26 PM, Skip Tavakkolian <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
>> No, you justify your salary, dear Sir. I honestly respect you for having
>> written th
Don't believe everything you read on Wikipedia.
Geoff! Why not let Eris read your paper on Why Plan 9 Matters?
Pietro why don't you shut up? You annoy my dog.
brucee
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:43 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Geoff! Why not let Eris read your paper on Why Plan 9 Matters?
Just a few other bits of relevance to the original topic:
On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Wendell xe wrote:
07. Automatic insertion of spaces for tabs
style(6) says not to convert tabs to spaces.
11. Bookmarks
If you know what text the bookmark will point to, make a comment on
the line above
We've seen that, and go to band practice. Tell us all about. Just
keep up the therapy and the medication.
brucee
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 1:54 PM, Pietro Gagliardi <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Just a few other bits of relevance to the original topic:
>
> On Aug 19, 2008, at 11:52 AM, Wendell xe w
On Wed, Aug 20, 2008 at 9:39 AM, Eris Discordia
<[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote:
> Steve Simon's trademark character, I presume, was generated by [Alt]+0153
Wow. Does memorising codepoints fall under your job description aswell?
> $ curl gopher://tokyo.ac.jp/a/b/r.tokyo.jpg
> $ ifconfig cellnetif num
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