Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-04 Thread Nicolas S. Montanaro
An aside: as someone who has only dipped their toes into Plan 9 over the last couple of years, the quality of discussion on this mailing list is quite refreshing to lurk… and at times quite entertaining. The smaller size of the community and the self-evident passion and skill of the contributors

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-04 Thread hiro
> I have no interest in using 9front for [...] non-technical reasons. as i said, probably some misunderstanding. > The "community" is atrocious; anyone willing to turn a blind eye > toward bad behavior due to technical merit is sophomoric if not > abusive. ISTR calling this "elitist fuckery" in

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Alex Musolino
> What are some of the technical reasons? To clarify, I'm asking about technical reasons for not using 9front as opposed to some other Plan 9 flavour; not as opposed to some other operating system(s) altogether. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.top

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Lucio De Re
The world has really moved along since 2000, even since 95/98 (all clear Microsoft milestone years, in case one misses the connection). That genie ain't going back in any bottle. Well, is there really more than one, or is it just one, multiheaded Hydra? I feel at home on Plan 9 and continue to cur

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Alex Musolino
> I have no interest in using 9front for both technical and > non-technical reasons. What are some of the technical reasons? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M7705c3f507b9b7dbb8a8800d Delivery options: ht

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread sstallion
> seriously, i hear only complaints here, meanwhile 9front is doing just > fine. you are deciding against it for non-technical reasons (or > probably misunderstandings). I have no interest in using 9front for both technical and non-technical reasons. The "community" is atrocious; anyone willing t

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 2:47 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > in your words it would be an insult, no? > Of course! How did I miss that?! seriously, i hear only complaints here, meanwhile 9front is doing just > fine. you are deciding against it for non-technical reasons (or > probably misunderst

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread andrey mirtchovski
i resubscribed a week ago but i don't think i'll last another week here. sp9sss is where the action's at. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M311b256852d969d47a786c8c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread hiro
in your words it would be an insult, no? seriously, i hear only complaints here, meanwhile 9front is doing just fine. you are deciding against it for non-technical reasons (or probably misunderstandings). -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.c

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
I can't tell if this is a similitude or an allegory. On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 12:32 PM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > 6) skip continues to protect the doormat somebody forgot in front, but > he never dared to look up at the long demolished building. -- 9fans

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread hiro
out of my pov there is no big problem, my quick summary of the history: 1) it *seemed* hard to get patches in when the gatekeepers were still around (i didn't try) 2) respected gatekeepers have left the building (geoff was last iirc) 3) lots of stuff get fixed in 9front 4) nobody on 9fans realizes

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
Our kernel panics aren't backward. On Tue, Dec 3, 2019, 7:27 AM hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > we have no brand, but our kernel panics are better. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M10a18c13331dbbf8c2d7

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread ori
>> and nobody is building a >> release with an "OFFICIAL" stamp on it > > What exactly would you want such a stamp to mean? > Largely 2 things: 1) That this is the "up to date plan 9" that the community around it believes should be used. This seems to have improve

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread hiro
we have no brand, but our kernel panics are better. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M485e7e8e1250ffc3861ba982 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/19, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: >> and nobody is building a >> release with an "OFFICIAL" stamp on it > > What exactly would you want such a stamp to mean? > > If I may hi-jack the question, I think one needs a starting point that everyone can use as reference. What we have

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Richard Miller
> and nobody is building a > release with an "OFFICIAL" stamp on it What exactly would you want such a stamp to mean? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M702005ba10210f6d96197054 Delivery options: https://

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-02 Thread ori
> On 12/3/19, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: >> >> Unrelatedly, would there be interest in adding the `$split{cmd} syntax >> from 9atom to 9legacy? I think it's currently the only reason that >> git9 doesn't work out of the box there, and it's very nice syntax. >> > I'm quite obsessed with converging

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-02 Thread Lucio De Re
On 12/3/19, o...@eigenstate.org wrote: > > Unrelatedly, would there be interest in adding the `$split{cmd} syntax > from 9atom to 9legacy? I think it's currently the only reason that > git9 doesn't work out of the box there, and it's very nice syntax. > I'm quite obsessed with converging the very