hee hee
Brantley
On Sep 14, 2011, at 6:10 PM, Dan Cross wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Floren wrote:
>> I don't want to drag out the discussion, but:
>>
>> 1. Nixie is pretty much generic these days. Wikipedia even calls it a
>> genericised trademark.
>> 2. Nixies are also Germ
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:42 PM, John Floren wrote:
> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
> about the name.
If you need yet another proposal that would Google with minimal
collisions, it's possib
In the experiments I made I was sending all results through shared memory
(a pointer to the reply).
But I don't think that code is in the main rep.
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 4:13 PM, erik quanstrom
wrote:
> On Thu Sep 15 10:04:54 EDT 2011, n...@lsub.org wrote:
>> I could run old binaries. Perhaps p
On Thu Sep 15 10:04:54 EDT 2011, n...@lsub.org wrote:
> I could run old binaries. Perhaps profiling no longer works for them,
> didn't even try.
> Either way, we had no choice. We had to put some stuff in there.
i wasn't complaining. i just wanted to make sure. also, for the
nixcalls, where does
I could run old binaries. Perhaps profiling no longer works for them,
didn't even try.
Either way, we had no choice. We had to put some stuff in there.
On Thu Sep 15 03:30:29 EDT 2011, nemo.m...@gmail.com wrote:
> i was in the middle of a commit
> try the release tag or give me one more hour.
>
> On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:39 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
>
> > i'm having a bit of trouble compiling everything.
> >
> > chula; mk trap.6
> > 6c -FTVw tra
noah.ev...@gmail.com (Noah Evans) writes:
> don't forget to hg add amd64/bin/auth/.shutuphg
>
> Noah
Works, and submitted. (After I "fixed" codereview for mercurial 1.9 :P)
--
Christian Neukirchenhttp://chneukirchen.org
don't forget to hg add amd64/bin/auth/.shutuphg
Noah
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 1:07 PM, Noah Evans wrote:
> mkdir /amd64/bin/auth
> touch /amd64/bin/auth/.shutuphg
>
> will let you build factotum and friends.
>
> Then from your normal shell and your nix directory(I assume you have
> your .hg/hgr
mkdir /amd64/bin/auth
touch /amd64/bin/auth/.shutuphg
will let you build factotum and friends.
Then from your normal shell and your nix directory(I assume you have
your .hg/hgrc ready for codereview, if not look at /PROCESS):
hg change
hg mail
I'd do it myself, but I have some speculative cha
n...@lsub.org (Francisco J Ballesteros) writes:
> cd /sys/src
> objtype=amd64
> mk install
...
mk factotum
for (i in factotum fgui)
mk $MKFLAGS $i.install
cp 6.factotum /amd64/bin/auth/factotum
cp: can't create /amd64/bin/auth/factotum: '/amd64/bin/auth' does not exist
mk: cp 6.factotum /
Let's make a deal.
Anyone who writes something can give it a name. :)
Just one thought: call it "Nicht OS".
Perhaps you checked out an old version?
I just checked and there's a $nixroot/BUILDING_AMD64 file,
provided you did the check out at $nixroot.
This is what the file has:
cd /sys/src
objtype=386
mk libs
cd ape/lib
mk install
cd /sys/src
objtype=amd64
mk install
BTW, for building the nix kernel ju
rminn...@gmail.com (ron minnich) writes:
> You'll need a 9vx setup to start.
> Checkout the tree, and run 9vx with the tree as your root. You'll find a file
> called BUILDING_AMD64 with further instructions in the root.
Just for the record, one needs the 9vx from https://bitbucket.org/rminnich/vx
Ok. If you check out the release tag from nix-os.googlecode.com it
should be ok and compile and work fine. I just checked.
We are sorry we didn't tell before.
>From now on we'll tag as "release" the last release we are happy with.
hth
i was in the middle of a commit
try the release tag or give me one more hour.
On Sep 15, 2011, at 6:39 AM, erik quanstrom wrote:
> i'm having a bit of trouble compiling everything.
>
> chula; mk trap.6
> 6c -FTVw trap.c
> trap.c:280 not a member of struct/union: core
> trap.c:281 not a member
i'm having a bit of trouble compiling everything.
chula; mk trap.6
6c -FTVw trap.c
trap.c:280 not a member of struct/union: core
trap.c:281 not a member of struct/union: nixtype
mk: 6c -FTVw trap.c : exit status=rc 25899: 6c 25901: error
/sys/include/tos.h doesn't appear to match.
- erik
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:10 PM, ron minnich wrote:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
>
> > So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs?
>
> Yes. nemo had some extremely clever ideas and hence we can use them
> (but not in the same segment).
>
>
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 3:36 PM, Nick LaForge wrote:
> Surely though I'm jumping the gun and need to wait for Ron's talk to tell all.
well, most of the work having been done by others, I doubt you need my talk :-)
For those of you going to IWP9, you can push on Nemo and Gorka and
Enrique for in
Kudos to the involved researchers for valuing such public involvement. :-)
Performance numbers immediately come to mind considering the nature of
the work. I know Ron's past talks considered bottleneck analysis, but
for those of us not running such large machines it is probably
necessary to read
I heard German, so I say: Schall und Rauch
I think bad names can help quality of information (because without
being able to use google people can only use the official site as a
starting point).
On Wed Sep 14 18:09:19 EDT 2011, yiyu@gmail.com wrote:
> > BTW, can 9vx access fossil or kenfs from a separate partition?
> >
>
> It should work with fossil or kfs setting nobootprompt. Adding cwfs
> would be trivial, but I don't know if anybody has tried with a proper
> kenfs kernel. You coul
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 5:48 PM, John Floren wrote:
> I don't want to drag out the discussion, but:
>
> 1. Nixie is pretty much generic these days. Wikipedia even calls it a
> genericised trademark.
> 2. Nixies are also Germanic water spirits.
>
> I think we're good :)
(I don't want to contribute
> BTW, can 9vx access fossil or kenfs from a separate partition?
>
It should work with fossil or kfs setting nobootprompt. Adding cwfs
would be trivial, but I don't know if anybody has tried with a proper
kenfs kernel. You could also use rcvx and mount whatever you want from
there.
--
- yiyus |
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:32 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:42:53 PDT John Floren wrote:
>>
>> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
>> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
>> about the name.
>
> I like the name Nixie (&
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:38 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> BTW, can 9vx access fossil or kenfs from a separate partition?
I've done it but it was long ago.
BTW, I also forget to mention (there's lots of new stuff) that there
is a nice performance counter implementation in there too.
ron
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 14:10:42 PDT ron minnich wrote:
>
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
>
> The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name had to be
> used.
You betcha.
> Sorry. hg is having some issues with that. Here it is. You need the
> 386 libraries there for jp
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 13:42:53 PDT John Floren wrote:
>
> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
> about the name.
I like the name Nixie (& Nixie tubes (& Nixie tube watches!))
but isn't Nixie a trad
possibly there could be fewer new names for things.--- Begin Message ---
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
>
> The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name had to be
> used.
should we just call them "stubes"?
- erik--- End Message ---
Awesome! Congrats to all involved!
D
On Sep 14, 2011, at 8:41 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel
> with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9.
> For now, here are some highlights.
>
> - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte P
On Wed Sep 14 16:56:53 EDT 2011, rminn...@gmail.com wrote:
> The tree is set up to run under 9vx or on a standard Plan 9 system. We
> have tested and it is possible to do a full build of amd64 binaries
> and then a build in /sys/src/nix/k10 and boot the kernel. You'll be prompted
> during the build
> > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
>
> The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name had to be
> used.
should we just call them "stubes"?
- erik
2011/9/14 Lluís Batlle i Rossell :
> As google results depend on who searches... I "work" for a
> project under the name of nix for some years:
> http://nixos.org/nix/
yep, name clashes are regrettable but they happen.
Anyway, I like your project too so at least we are in good company!
ron
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:56 PM, Francisco J Ballesteros wrote:
> Yes, IX was already taken for a file system protocol.
>
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:38 PM, s s wrote:
>> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>>
>
>
And X was used to. Ah well.
ron
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs?
Yes. nemo had some extremely clever ideas and hence we can use them
(but not in the same segment).
> "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
The name came first, but once I found the quote, well, the name ha
Yes, IX was already taken for a file system protocol.
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:38 PM, s s wrote:
> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>
>
> We have discussed this. "Nixie" was a proposed new name, but for now
> we'd rather get the actual code and distribution right than worry
> about the name.
>
> John
>
http://doc.cat-v.org/bell_labs/the_hideous_name/
- Leonard
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 04:38:42PM -0400, s s wrote:
> Very nice.
>
> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>
> A google search for "nix kernel" returns a lot of unrelated results.
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=nix+kernel
As google results depend on who searches... I "work" for a
p
hello
do you have a virtual machine image? 9vx crash here. Also i can´t find the
BUILDING_AMD64
thanks,
gabi
El 14/09/2011, a las 22:42, John Floren escribió:
> On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM, s s wrote:
>> Very nice.
>>
>> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>>
>> A google sear
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 1:38 PM, s s wrote:
> Very nice.
>
> Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
>
> A google search for "nix kernel" returns a lot of unrelated results.
>
> http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=nix+kernel
>
> How about, "Plan-64"?
>
> - Leonard
>
We have discussed this. "Nix
Very nice.
Are you sure you want to call it NIX, though?
A google search for "nix kernel" returns a lot of unrelated results.
http://www.google.com/#hl=en&q=nix+kernel
How about, "Plan-64"?
- Leonard
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 9:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote:
> So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs?
Yes.
>> - Tubes, a new IPC mechanism like pipes that uses the optimistic semaphores
>
> "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?
No. In the memory of regular standard tubes. But yes,
there's a comment about that
Excellent news!
On Wed, 14 Sep 2011 08:41:48 PDT ron minnich wrote:
> - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte PTEs are not used in user programs at all.
> - 64 bit address space for processes, backed by 1 Gbyte PTEs for BSS
> with addresses > 1 Gbyte. Use of Gbyte PTEs does not require anything
> special; it ju
futexes do not promise to behave like actual semaphores the last
time I checked them out.
These ones do. But the main difference is not that. They come with
a semalt() op that tries to do a down at the same time on a set of semaphores.
So, if you model tubes (nix channels) as a regular producer-c
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:32 AM, David Leimbach wrote:
> PTE = Page Table Entry? Sorry, been working in Java too long I guess :-(.
yes. pages are 2 MB. Most programs need only 3 PTEs: code, data+bss, and stack.
> Can I run Mozilla Firefox? :-)
no. Cinap's linux emulation is far more capabl
Great set of ideas here!
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM, ron minnich wrote:
> We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel
> with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9.
> For now, here are some highlights.
>
> - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte PTEs are no
mind the gap
On Sep 14, 2011, at 10:58 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote:
> sounds great. now, explain the tubes in more detail, please :)
>
>
sounds great. now, explain the tubes in more detail, please :)
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