Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-13 Thread Akshat Kumar
Hi Matt, On Wed, Jan 13, 2010 at 4:49 AM, matt wrote: > >> >> I'm running the traditional Ken FS, sans Erik's mods. >> > > "sans" is French for "without" hence serif & sans-serif, is that what you > meant ? Yes. Erik's observations are also correct (it's "Geoff's reform 63-bitized version").

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-13 Thread erik quanstrom
> > > >I'm running the traditional Ken FS, sans Erik's mods. > > pedants would point out that it is unlikely this is "traditional" ken fs. it is much more likely to be geoff's reform 63-bitized version. - erik

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-13 Thread matt
I'm running the traditional Ken FS, sans Erik's mods. "sans" is French for "without" hence serif & sans-serif, is that what you meant ?

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-12 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 21:31:19 +0100 Akshat Kumar wrote: >On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Frederik Caulier > wrote: >> Hello Wolfgang >> >> You might want to get in touch with user 'Capso' on the >> #pl...@irc.freenode.org channel. AFAIK he is running a Ken FS >setup. >> >> Best regards, >> F

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Akshat Kumar
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:00 AM, Frederik Caulier wrote: > Hello Wolfgang > > You might want to get in touch with user 'Capso' on the > #pl...@irc.freenode.org channel. AFAIK he is running a Ken FS setup. > > Best regards, > F. Caulier That's just me. Feel free to drop me a mail or visit IRC. I

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> > On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:14:19 +0100 erik quanstrom > wrote: > >fs was removed from the cd but there's a version in > >/n/sources/extra. > > > >kfs and fs(3) are different fileservers. you can also use the > >source in > >contrib quanstro/fs. i run 4 fileservers (plus one for testing) > >b

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Federico G. Benavento
I don't care whether ahci works or not, I only cared if the system was Plan 9 capable and it is, the good thing is that everything except audio is well supported by Plan 9. On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 6:33 AM, Wolfgang Kunz wrote: > >>I have an MSI G31TM-P21 + q8200 >> >> >>http://www.msi.com/index

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
On Mon, 11 Jan 2010 19:14:19 +0100 erik quanstrom wrote: >fs was removed from the cd but there's a version in >/n/sources/extra. > >kfs and fs(3) are different fileservers. you can also use the >source in >contrib quanstro/fs. i run 4 fileservers (plus one for testing) >based on this. all b

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jan 11 12:54:02 EST 2010, w...@hush.com wrote: > >> After reading many mails here I plan to run a fossil only > >> fileserver. So far I understand the "Ken" dedicated fileserver > >> has gone. > > >ken's fs works for me. > > I am very interested in the old dedicated Ken fileserver. So > fa

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Frederik Caulier
Hello Wolfgang You might want to get in touch with user 'Capso' on the #pl...@irc.freenode.org channel. AFAIK he is running a Ken FS setup. Best regards, F. Caulier On 1/11/10, Wolfgang Kunz wrote: >>> After reading many mails here I plan to run a fossil only >>> fileserver. So far I understand

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
>> After reading many mails here I plan to run a fossil only >> fileserver. So far I understand the "Ken" dedicated fileserver >> has gone. >ken's fs works for me. I am very interested in the old dedicated Ken fileserver. So far I understand you there are ways to run Ken fileserver today? When th

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 12:24 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Venti deals with incompletely written blocks; the arenas and index structures >> are still workable. The situation is even recoverable - a proxy could notice >> that one of the backends failed to return a read, so it rewrite the data from

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> There are some newer mini-itx cards from supermicro which also look > interesting but I have no experience of them: > > http://www.supermicro.com/products/motherboard/ATOM i'm trying to get one to test. fortunately, this thing has an 82574 nic. which should work just fine. - erik

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> Venti deals with incompletely written blocks; the arenas and index structures > are still workable. The situation is even recoverable - a proxy could notice > that one of the backends failed to return a read, so it rewrite the data from > an other copy (which it can verify) to the failed one. w

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 10:22:49AM -0500, erik quanstrom wrote: An alternate configuration, which takes more memory, but might offer a bit more in the way of survivability, would be to not use fs for venti. Instead, run one venti daemon per disk, with independent arenas/indexes. Insert a little

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Steve Simon
> i hate to disagree, but i would not recommend that motherboard. Sorry, I have corrected myself privately but not here yet. The Intel D945GCLF2D looks like a nice board but I agree the broken MP tables are a deal breaker for plan9 (unless acpi support can sidestep the issue one day). I bought a

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> > An alternate configuration, which takes more memory, but might offer > a bit more in the way of survivability, would be to not use fs for venti. > Instead, > run one venti daemon per disk, with independent arenas/indexes. Insert a > little > Venti proxy between fossil and your daemons; it sh

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Venkatesh Srinivas
On Mon, Jan 11, 2010 at 01:01:43PM +, Steve Simon wrote: Interessting idea. Do you use a fossil only configuration and mirroring with fs(3)? I use fossil and venti with everything mirrored with fs(3) - each partition. Hi! An alternate configuration, which takes more memory, but might off

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
On Mon Jan 11 03:29:06 EST 2010, w...@hush.com wrote: > >I recently built a new server out of an Intel Dualcore Atom > >motherboard > >(D945GCLF2D), it needs some kernel patches from Erik to get > >everything to > >work cleanly but it is now great. I added two 500Gb SATA disks > >mirrored for st

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> >http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=183 > > > Nice board. I could get it for 50$. So far I can see this board has > the ICH7 chip. So AHCI is not working on this board? i belive that page says ich6. ich6 is not ahci capable. the contrib version of the ahci driver

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread erik quanstrom
> >1. unless one needs more ports than the motherboard > >offers, i would stick with on-board ports. > > That makes sense for me. Perhaps I could save money and > use the onboard network chip too (most RELTEK)? Then I > could invest more money in the board and the CPU. some 8169 parts are pre

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Steve Simon
> Interessting idea. Do you use a fossil only configuration and > mirroring with fs(3)? I use fossil and venti with everything mirrored with fs(3) - each partition. I have two 7500 RPM "Enterprise grade" disks (i.e. better than average reliability) from two different manufacturers, the idea is on

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
>I have an MSI G31TM-P21 + q8200 > > >http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=183 Nice board. I could get it for 50$. So far I can see this board has the ICH7 chip. So AHCI is not working on this board? I am not sure if this is important. Thanks! Wolfgang

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
>I recently built a new server out of an Intel Dualcore Atom >motherboard >(D945GCLF2D), it needs some kernel patches from Erik to get >everything to >work cleanly but it is now great. I added two 500Gb SATA disks >mirrored for storage. Interessting idea. Do you use a fossil only configuration

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-11 Thread Wolfgang Kunz
Hello, >this isn't a complete list of supported ahci or marvell >parts. i don't know about jmicron support. i tried >to add it without having any hardware to test. i have >always chosen other hardware over jmicron. it seems >to benchmark poorly and be unnecessarly incompatable. > >i have not d

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-10 Thread Federico G. Benavento
I have an MSI G31TM-P21 + q8200 http://www.msi.com/index.php?func=proddesc&maincat_no=1&prod_no=1833 On Sun, Jan 10, 2010 at 1:59 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Which disk controller should I use for best performance and >> driver support? >> >> AHCI based: >> SB600 >> IHC9 >> Jmicron JMB363 (su

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-10 Thread erik quanstrom
> Which disk controller should I use for best performance and > driver support? > > AHCI based: > SB600 > IHC9 > Jmicron JMB363 (supported?) > > Marvel based: > Marvell 88SX6081 this isn't a complete list of supported ahci or marvell parts. i don't know about jmicron support. i tried to add it

Re: [9fans] Hardware for Plan9

2010-01-10 Thread Steve Simon
> If possible I would like to ask which hardware the other Plan9 user > are using. I recently built a new server out of an Intel Dualcore Atom motherboard (D945GCLF2D), it needs some kernel patches from Erik to get everything to work cleanly but it is now great. I added two 500Gb SATA disks mirror