Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-13 Thread David Arnold
> On 12 Dec 2019, at 17:32, Lucio De Re wrote: > > I'd like suggestions for some hardware on which to run Plan 9, almost > certainly expandable SSD capacity will be a must (Venti service). > Price and quality will be the biggest factors, as always. > > Ideally, storage is where the value will r

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-13 Thread hiro
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Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Dan Cross
Google invests heavily into basic computer science reseach, and Google researchers are well represented at respected conferences and in high impact journals in their subfields. So yes, one can do 'actual "research" projects' at Google. We have an entire research organization doing just that, often

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread hiro
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Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread hiro
Dan, does that mean you are allowed to have actual "research" projects at google? i just never thought something like this would be possible, and never realized akaros happened at google itself. i imagined the involvement of universities instead, but i clearly didn't check closely enough. I hear on

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread hiro
generally, i would like better hardware, too. i'm especially curious about chipsets that include QSFP or even QSFP+ with lowest possible total power consumption in idle. not much random computation power needed, but i want all the benefits of full throughput at 10gbit or 40gbit, speeding up sequent

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Juan Cuzmar
Ah I see. Thanks Dan for answer me. Dan Cross wrote: > Our use of plan9 was really incidental and was in support of > our work on Akaros. It was a tool we used to support our > development environment, but not a focus of development itself > nor something we did development on directly. We did c

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Dan Cross
Our use of plan9 was really incidental and was in support of our work on Akaros. It was a tool we used to support our development environment, but not a focus of development itself nor something we did development on directly. We did contribute a few things back to 9legacy; some bug fixes for the i

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread David Arnold
> On 12 Dec 2019, at 17:31, Lucio De Re wrote: > > I'd like suggestions for some hardware on which to run Plan 9, almost > certainly expandable SSD capacity will be a must (Venti service). > Price and quality will be the biggest factors, as always. > > Ideally, storage is where the value will re

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Matthew Singletary
I think you are assuming that they don't. On Thu, Dec 12, 2019, 8:04 AM Juan Cuzmar wrote: > I'm ask because maybe if you're using plan9 maybe you could > contribute to it maturing further. > > hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > at google i think they are very often using acme to program web > >

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Juan Cuzmar
I'm ask because maybe if you're using plan9 maybe you could contribute to it maturing further. hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > at google i think they are very often using acme to program web > services in go check out golang.org > > -- > 9fans: 9fans > Per

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread hiro
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Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Juan Cuzmar
Wow I'm surprised that people are still working on plan9 to develop things especially in google... If I could aso: what kind of things you develop with plan9? Dan Cross wrote: > We had 9legacy running on Intel NUCs at Google for our internal > development. It worked well enough, though of course

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Bakul Shah
With a USB3 SSD I have been able to get over 200MB/s sequential (under linux, on RPI4). You can get a TB SSD for under $150 that can theoretically do 540MB/s (on a USB3.1 but pi4 is usb3 so half the peak throughput). For a venti server your bottleneck will be the GBe. I haven't been able to run

Re: [9fans] ARM hardware and SATA

2019-12-12 Thread Dan Cross
We had 9legacy running on Intel NUCs at Google for our internal development. It worked well enough, though of course wasn't an ARM based machine. Getting it going was a little hacky, but not too bad. We were using raspberry pi's as terminals. I haven't looked in depth, but I suspect there's relati