Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2015-04-23 Thread hruodr
On Tue, 21 Apr 2015, Russ Cox wrote: > My paper with Sean Rhea and Alex Pesterev documents the performance > effect of double-checking the equality in some detail. > https://www.usenix.org/legacy/event/usenix08/tech/full_papers/rhea/rhea.pdf Very nice paper. Specialy from chapter 3. By reading

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2015-04-21 Thread Russ Cox
On Tue, Apr 21, 2015 at 2:30 PM, wrote: > Does this mean, that Plan9 by default supposes that A=B if hash(A)=hash(B)? > Yes. > That this was not the default before, but it is now? > Yes. > That I still have the possibility of a "full check" of A=B (and not > supposing > it after checking ha

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2015-04-21 Thread hruodr
Dear Sirs! I have a question about this old discussion: http://www.mail-archive.com/9fans@cse.psu.edu/msg17960.html And about the following answer: > if you change lump.c to say > > int verifywrites = 1; > > then venti will check every block as it is written to make > sure there is no ha

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-11 Thread Uriel
On Thu, Mar 6, 2008 at 6:55 AM, Bruce Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > Uriel, is this guy just a clueless dick? Both..? > Or am I missing a milligram of sense in a mountain of bullshit? If there is even one atom of sense I certainly have not seen it, the guy is a hopeless case. Sorry for the l

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
It's good to see that nobody is passionate enough to put up $10. brucee On Tue, Mar 11, 2008 at 1:10 PM, erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > erik quanstrom wrote: > > > > > that's cause it's 2^80 not 2^60. did i mistype? > > > > Thank goodness! Now I can sleep... > > > > -- > > Wes K

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread erik quanstrom
> erik quanstrom wrote: > > > that's cause it's 2^80 not 2^60. did i mistype? > > Thank goodness! Now I can sleep... > > -- > Wes Kussmaul maybe not. it's just 1024 times more likely that you will. - erik

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Wes Kussmaul
erik quanstrom wrote: that's cause it's 2^80 not 2^60. did i mistype? Thank goodness! Now I can sleep... -- Wes Kussmaul

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
> And if one day you do get a collision, > venti will tell you and then you can tell your grandchildren

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Bakul Shah
On Mon, 10 Mar 2008 15:27:47 EDT erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > > brushing off the factor of 2^60 is like brushing off the difference > > > in weight between a bunch of banannas and the moon. > > > > bunch of bananas = ~1kg > > mass of moon (weight of moon @ earth's sea level)

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Charles Forsyth
> The statistician replies that while the odds of being on a plane with > _one_ bomb are too high for him, the odds of being on a plane with > _multiple_ bombs are infinitesimal. probably that explains why Homeland Security always seemed to be on Orange Alert. at first i thought it had somethin

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread erik quanstrom
> > > brushing off the factor of 2^60 is like brushing off the difference > > in weight between a bunch of banannas and the moon. > > bunch of bananas = ~1kg > mass of moon (weight of moon @ earth's sea level) = 7.3477^22 kg > 2^60 =1,152,921,504,606,846,976 = 1.15etc^18 > > Oh oh, you'

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Wes Kussmaul
erik quanstrom wrote: brushing off the factor of 2^60 is like brushing off the difference in weight between a bunch of banannas and the moon. bunch of bananas = ~1kg mass of moon (weight of moon @ earth's sea level) = 7.3477^22 kg 2^60 =1,152,921,504,606,846,976 = 1.15etc^18 Oh oh, y

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Geoffrey Avila
This reminds me of a joke: A man was asked by his neighbor to watch the neighbor's house while he went away to a conference. The conference was only for one day, but the neighbor was gone a week. He explained to the man that the extra time was due to driving there and back. The neighbor, a st

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
Fine, as long as each node donates $10 :-) Well actually that isn't needed, as you would need several universes of disk space (depending on whose estimate you like). brucee writes a cheque for $10 for polluting 9fans. Oh the Free Beer Foundation - I drank all the donations. brucee On Tue, Mar 1

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
On Mon, Mar 10, 2008 at 1:06 PM, Bruce Ellis <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > I concur and offer the great venti challenge. > > I am willing to personally give $10,000 to the person who experiences > the first venti collision. (I know it's not a million but call me > cheap.) > > The rules are simpl

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Bruce Ellis
I concur and offer the great venti challenge. I am willing to personally give $10,000 to the person who experiences the first venti collision. (I know it's not a million but call me cheap.) The rules are simple. To enroll in the contest send $10 to charity and send me a copy of the receipt. First

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread Russ Cox
This topic just isn't worth all the anguish it is causing. If you are worried about SHA-1 collisions, turn on the flag that looks for them. Then you can sleep at night knowing that all your writes have been collision-free. And if one day you do get a collision, venti will tell you and then you c

Re: [9fans] thoughs about venti+fossil

2008-03-10 Thread erik quanstrom
[redirected to [EMAIL PROTECTED] > The difference between this and venti (aside from the factor of 2^60 > or whatever it was) is that network/memory/disk errors are either brushing off the factor of 2^60 is like brushing off the difference in weight between a bunch of banannas and the moon. > t