Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-08 Thread Uriel
On Sat, Aug 8, 2009 at 4:44 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > Yeah they were hot on CORBA, and KDE folks were doing DCOP, which was > derived from some X11 ICE thing... Neither of them was that great, and > somehow they've both come back to DBUS. > I don't honestly know the rhyme or reason for any of it.

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote: > > On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > X11 isn't a desktop, it tries very hard not to define a look and feel, but >> it has to include inter-app communications to support the supposedly >> desirable drag & drop as well a

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-07 Thread Daniel Lyons
On Aug 7, 2009, at 11:37 AM, ron minnich wrote: On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote: My beef is that they were hot-all-over CORBA not too long ago. I expect in another three years nobody will be using D-Bus, they'll be using some new layer that sits on top of it... ad nau

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-07 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Aug 7, 2009 at 10:34 AM, Daniel Lyons wrote: > My beef is that they were hot-all-over CORBA not too long ago. I expect in > another three years nobody will be using D-Bus, they'll be using some new > layer that sits on top of it... ad nauseam. Outside Plan 9 I don't see > anyone solving tw

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-07 Thread Daniel Lyons
On Aug 7, 2009, at 7:06 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: X11 isn't a desktop, it tries very hard not to define a look and feel, but it has to include inter-app communications to support the supposedly desirable drag & drop as well as any copy/paste beyond plain text. In fact my big beef with

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-07 Thread Ethan Grammatikidis
On Thu, 6 Aug 2009 23:03:17 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > > These are reasonable questions (and many of them have "yes" as the > > answer ;-)) but I have a more > > fundamental objection here: the desktop is just NOT the place for such > > a functionality to originate from. The very > > conce

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread ron minnich
"Not surprisingly, given that it is a cross-desktop API, D-Bus will be used to implement a protocol for extracting the needed secrets. " some things never change. But no, I guess we should not be surprised. ron

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> These are reasonable questions (and many of them have "yes" as the > answer ;-)) but I have a more > fundamental objection here: the desktop is just NOT the place for such > a functionality to originate from. The very > concept of a fixed desktop that resides on a physical piece of > hardwa

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread Daniel Lyons
On Aug 6, 2009, at 7:39 PM, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Daniel Lyons wrote: It's easy for me to object to what they're coming up with but it would be hard for me to describe in detail how exactly factotum + all the other stuff encompass it, and I don't think that th

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:33 PM, Daniel Lyons wrote: It's easy for me to object to what they're coming up with but it would be hard for me to describe in detail how exactly factotum + all the other stuff encompass it, and I don't think that the paper we have on factotum or the section in nemo's

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Aug 6, 2009, at 11:13 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: poorly. massive, overengineered, and yet lacking: http://lwn.net/Articles/344117 This looks like a case in desperate need of Peter Gutmann's Wave Therapy: http://diswww.mit.edu/bloom-picayune/crypto/14238 "Whenever someone thinks tha

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> 270 web form passwords or internet passwords in my keychain. Does > factotum handle web passwords? yes, it does. abaco and hget already use factotum for http passwords. > with me. Could factotum be adapt to integrate with a browser and store > web form secrets? If so that would be a compe

Re: [9fans] linux reinvents factotum, secstore ...

2009-08-06 Thread Daniel Lyons
On Aug 6, 2009, at 12:13 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: poorly. massive, overengineered, and yet lacking: http://lwn.net/Articles/344117 Ugh. A brief apology on their behalf, though. I have been trying to understand the workings of factotum, secstore, auth/keyfs and whatnot for a while and