Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-09 Thread erik quanstrom
> It's part of the EFI promise: everything they touch will turn to merde :-) optimist! - erik

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-09 Thread ron minnich
On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 8:53 AM, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - One potential method to provide access to contiguous >> disk space may be a rich partitioning system, e.g. GPT. > > I can't believe what a terrible idea this is. I honestly thought > that PC architecture couldn't get any wo

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-09 Thread Wilhelm B. Kloke
On 2008-06-06, Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> - Using venti for backing up a streaming application is not a good idea. >> - Contiguous storage areas may be better. > > So far I agree with you. > ... > > to the disk's ctl file. A GPT implementation would be only a few > hundred lines conf

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 7:42 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > * Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: >> > VAC eg. is good for archiving, but it's tree-based structure >> > is probably not optimal for streaming (on large files, a lot >> > of blocks IMHO have to be loaded before getting

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread Russ Cox
> - Using venti for backing up a streaming application is not a good idea. > - Contiguous storage areas may be better. So far I agree with you. > - One potential method to provide access to contiguous > disk space may be a rich partitioning system, e.g. GPT. I can't believe what a terrible id

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> Yes. A protective mbr is in the specification. Protective means: Not to be > used for fiddling. the spec says that the protective mbr should include entries reserving the space used by gpt partitions. thus if you use fdisk to edit such a partition table, you will not harm gpt unless you delete

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread Wilhelm B. Kloke
erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: Of course, some support form the OS is needed, which excludes Plan9. >>> >>> what is the basis for this claim? references? >>> ... > > plan 9 doesn't support gpt. This was my claim. Nothing else. You d

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> In his paper about Foundation Russ Cox explains some circumstances > where you probably don't want venti to archive these files forever. > For these sort of files the services of other file systems are > overkill, too. You don't want write more than one at the same time mostly. > You don't need t

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread erik quanstrom
> erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >>> Of course, some support form the OS is needed, which excludes Plan9. >> >> what is the basis for this claim? references? >> >> - erik >> > > Does Plan9 support GPT partitions now? The last time I tried Plan9 on a > GPT partitioned disk I got my di

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread Wilhelm B. Kloke
Francisco J Ballesteros <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > a gpt partitioned disk should have its mbr declaring mostly the disk > in use, IIRC, plan 9 fdisk does not screw it up unless you decide > to change the partitions in the mbr. On a GPT partitioned disk the mbr has to be ignored, as there is no

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread Francisco J Ballesteros
a gpt partitioned disk should have its mbr declaring mostly the disk in use, IIRC, plan 9 fdisk does not screw it up unless you decide to change the partitions in the mbr. On Fri, Jun 6, 2008 at 10:33 AM, Wilhelm B. Kloke <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >>

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-06 Thread Wilhelm B. Kloke
erik quanstrom <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: >> Of course, some support form the OS is needed, which excludes Plan9. > > what is the basis for this claim? references? > > - erik > Does Plan9 support GPT partitions now? The last time I tried Plan9 on a GPT partitioned disk I got my disk severely sc

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> Of course, some support form the OS is needed, which excludes Plan9. what is the basis for this claim? references? - erik

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread Wilhelm B. Kloke
Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> schrieb: > > Well, I'll have to think about this. My primary goal is to > make the sequential read as fast as possible. There won't be > any non-sequential access. > IMHO, using venti to serve streams is a bad idea. None of the advantages of venti do matter in t

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* Russ Cox <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > VAC eg. is good for archiving, but it's tree-based structure > > is probably not optimal for streaming (on large files, a lot > > of blocks IMHO have to be loaded before getting the first > > payload block can be reached). > > A typical venti tree has a

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread Russ Cox
> VAC eg. is good for archiving, but it's tree-based structure > is probably not optimal for streaming (on large files, a lot > of blocks IMHO have to be loaded before getting the first > payload block can be reached). A typical venti tree has a branching factor of 409 (8192/20). For a 1GB fi

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread erik quanstrom
> It's intendet for video streaming. Upload is uncritical, but > sequential download should be fast. > > The venti behind will be clustered, but that's another story ... there's no such thing as sequential in venti. venti is content addressed. - erik

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
* ron minnich <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > > > Hi folks, > > > > > > is anyone already working on an venti-based storage format > > which is optimized for streaming ? > > > > ah, well, what's this mean? What kind of data

Re: [9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread ron minnich
On Thu, Jun 5, 2008 at 4:24 AM, Enrico Weigelt <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> wrote: > > Hi folks, > > > is anyone already working on an venti-based storage format > which is optimized for streaming ? > ah, well, what's this mean? What kind of data rate are you looking at? ron

[9fans] Streaming on venti

2008-06-05 Thread Enrico Weigelt
Hi folks, is anyone already working on an venti-based storage format which is optimized for streaming ? VAC eg. is good for archiving, but it's tree-based structure is probably not optimal for streaming (on large files, a lot of blocks IMHO have to be loaded before getting the first payload