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> This is why harmful.cat-v.org is so important, and it's why I don't have > any interest in suffering fools on internet mailing lists. I can’t stop laughing. PS: kudos to Ruben — Federico G. Benavento benave...@gmail.com signature.asc Description: Message signed with OpenPGP using GPGMail

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> Anyway: no real kind of starvation over here, on my side. That makes you an authority in some field, but none that can shed light on the future of computing for poor children. ++L

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lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: |> And cheap, energy efficient computers for poor kids, which is |> a good thing, | |I have access to a few thousands "poor kids", age 0 to 18. Could I |please have some of these "cheap, energy efficient computers" for |them? I can't help you there -- not from me

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> And cheap, energy efficient computers for poor kids, which is > a good thing, I have access to a few thousands "poor kids", age 0 to 18. Could I please have some of these "cheap, energy efficient computers" for them? Thank you from the bottom of my heart. Lucio.

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Kurt H Maier wrote: |This is why harmful.cat-v.org is so important, and it's why I don't have These pages contain indeed several of the most stupid things i have read in a very long time. |macrocultures in the bud; otherwise we wind up with POSIX everywhere, and |an entire generation of compu

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There is too much to learn, so one must be selective. Much published is not worth learning. Plan9 is worthy. Persevere! Almost a haiku... -Steve PS: Been on the whiskey, sorry. Merry Christmas everyone.

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A quote I like from the 80s at the Labs - "netnews is like standing up in a crowded theater and shouting 'anyone wanna buy a used car?'". Please consider when posting to his list that you might be doing the same. (Not directed at anyone specifically). brucee On 24 December 2013 13:49, Skip Ta

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Please make sure to include "tact sucks" on the list. > On Dec 23, 2013, at 4:57 PM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > I feel a "community code of conduct" doc forthcoming in this list's future. > > I'll copy/pasta the one from go-nuts, where the discussion surrounding it was > very lively

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I feel a "community code of conduct" doc forthcoming in this list's future. I'll copy/pasta the one from go-nuts, where the discussion surrounding it was very lively

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Quoting Blake McBride : There is value in a community. Irrelevant; the question at hand is whether your specific participation in a community enhances its value. On the other hand, you can live in a cave and do whatever you like if you wish. *This* is a false dichotomy. I choose *not* to

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Quoting erik quanstrom : On Mon Dec 23 17:10:13 EST 2013, s...@9front.org wrote: isn't this a false dichotomy? rudeness doesn't preserve value. Neither does gladhanding. it's easy to point out past mistakes. do you think these were obvious at the time they were made? Whether they were

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>> What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek >> out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes >> not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the party. > > isn't this a false dichotomy? rudeness doesn't preserve value. The TUPE[0] -relat

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On Mon Dec 23 17:10:13 EST 2013, s...@9front.org wrote: > > There is value in a community. > > What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek > out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes > not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the par

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> There is value in a community. What remains of Plan 9 might be a better example of failing to seek out community in order to preserve the value, which is sometimes not clearly perceived by the interested few who show up at the party. Conversely, UNIX diverged from its original design philosophy

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On Dec 23, 2013, at 16:45, Blake McBride wrote: > money to pay core contributors (you?) http://mveety.com/just-send-the-money All proceeds go to me, the majority of which then go to khm.

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On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 2:51 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > ... > > Speaking of assumptions, I'm not convinced 'increasing the number of users' > does anyone any good. It didn't help Windows any. > > khm > Although number of users may not translate into a quality system (Microsoft is a prime example

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Quoting Blake McBride : Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but use the documentation as a reminder. It is difficult for a newbie to differentiate out-of-date material, branch specific material, and valid documentation. I am providing feedback from a newbie's

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Thanks for the input. I am making an increased effort to search before asking. I intuitively sense that Plan 9 has something significant to offer based on the little I know. The actual mechanics have been a challenge for me. Constructive feedback is deeply appreciated. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at

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right right. my mistake. :) -- cinap

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I somewhat agree that some of the answers you are getting have somewhat been (sometimes, not all, and not constantly) been insulting. But a year or so ago I was also a Plan9 newbie, and I just read the manuals when I didn't know how to do something. I followed some long-ago-read advice of first sma

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On Mon Dec 23 15:04:54 EST 2013, bl...@mcbride.name wrote: > On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:28 PM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out people who cannot > > reason. > > Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but > use the doc

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Documentation is always clear to people who already know the material but use the documentation as a reminder. It is difficult for a newbie to differentiate out-of-date material, branch specific material, and valid documentation. I am providing feedback from a newbie's perspective. You can eithe

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On Mon Dec 23 14:30:58 EST 2013, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > or man -p an equiv would be "man -P", but "man -p" does work, though it's a completely different approach and looks different due to font handling. - erik

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or man -p -- cinap

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> If most commands are in > lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that need > to be specified. If you view man pages as typeset with troff, you will see them in their full glory with syntactic categories suggested by different fonts. Instead of typing 'man cmd' try 'man

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Quoting Blake McBride : Or perhaps: echo newuser USER-NAME >>/srv/cwfs.cmd replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. If most commands are in lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that need to be specified. Or perhaps we use the documentation as a way to weed out

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Or perhaps: echo newuser USER-NAME >>/srv/cwfs.cmd replace USER-NAME with the new user's name. If most commands are in lowercase, it might make sense to use uppercase names as things that need to be specified. On Mon, Dec 23, 2013 at 12:00 PM, Blake McBride wrote: > It works now. The docs

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It works now. The docs were unclear to me. For example, this works: echo newuser george >>/srv/cwfs.cmd And this does not work (unsupprisingly): echo george george >>/srv/cwfs.cmd Unless you really look at it, it is unclear when to make a substitution (or fill in a variable), and when to type

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> The above echo command did nothing to the /adm/users file for me on > vanilla 9front. Has anyone verified that he's even running cwfs? sl

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that command file is really a bidirectional pipe. you didnt read the pipe so you do not see the command response. to get in a interactive dialog with the fileserver, you can run: con -Cl /srv/cwfs.cmd to leave this dialog, enter +\ and on cons >>> prompt, type q the fileserver console commands

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Did you append or truncate. That command should work. 2013/12/23 Blake McBride > > > > On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > >> Hello ! >> From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin >> Adding Users >> >> Add a new user on the file server: >> >> echo newuser usern

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On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > Hello ! > From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin > Adding Users > > Add a new user on the file server: > > echo newuser username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd > > The newuser filesystem command is described in the > fs(8)

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Thanks. I ended up editing /adm/users directly. That seemed to work. On Sun, Dec 22, 2013 at 11:19 PM, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > Hello ! > From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin > Adding Users > > Add a new user on the file server: > > echo newuser username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd > > I

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On Mon Dec 23 08:47:19 EST 2013, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > > ah, but being hostowner gives you no special status on the file > > server. > > Which file server are you referring to? In the case of Plan 9 and fossil, > hostowner can talk to /srv/fscons which is effectively root power. i consider

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> ah, but being hostowner gives you no special status on the file > server. Which file server are you referring to? In the case of Plan 9 and fossil, hostowner can talk to /srv/fscons which is effectively root power.

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> It's not super required to add a new user on standalone systems. > Obviously file/auth servers have more of a need. You're system isn't > less secure using Glenda. You're going to be host owner no matter > what user you use. > ah, but being hostowner gives you no special status on the file se

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> I gather that command is for fossil, and fossil isn't used anymore. Fossil is still the standard disk file system for Plan 9. Trying to use 9front by following Plan 9 documentation, or vice versa, is likely to lead to much frustration.

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It's not super required to add a new user on standalone systems. Obviously file/auth servers have more of a need. You're system isn't less secure using Glenda. You're going to be host owner no matter what user you use. > On Dec 23, 2013, at 0:19, Sergey Zhilkin wrote: > > Hello ! > > From -

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Hello ! >From - https://code.google.com/p/plan9front/wiki/admin Adding Users Add a new user on the file server: echo newuser username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd If needed, make the new user a member of the upas (email) group: echo newuser upas +username >>/srv/cwfs.cmd The newuser filesystem command is d

[9fans] Adding a new user on 9-Front

Greetings, I've searched the net to find a way to add a new user. The following command doesn't work: con -l /srv/fscons I gather that command is for fossil, and fossil isn't used anymore. I poked around /srv but couldn't find a substitute. Appreciate any help. Blake