Re: [9fans] Plan 9 History Timeline

2025-08-02 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
02.08.2025 04:20:11 Ron Minnich : > I wonder if this is the place for links to publications and results. > We produced a fair bit of stuff for HPC, including the amd64 compiler > and the ratrace command which are still around; some stuff which may > come back, like NiX; and a lot of stuff that's n

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 History Timeline

2025-07-31 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
31.07.2025 23:08:24 ron minnich : > sorry if I missed this, but how do you want updates? github pull requests, > just send you the lines, ... ? Honestly, I think these updates would integrate quite nicely in any way, so you can choose the way you want. A pull request would be easiest for me, but

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 History Timeline

2025-07-21 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, 19.07.2025, 18:11, ron minnich: > I would say the first real harvey commit was feb 1 2015 or so, those earlier > commits were from 0intro's trees.  I added that, thanks. > Jehanne forked off a few years after that. It would be cool to know some more precise year for that graph. > > On Sa

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 History Timeline

2025-07-19 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
17.07.2025 22:22:42 ron minnich : > This is nice, I'll try to get my changes in Nice, thank you. A few notes: Right now, there is a limitation that we can't add more than one event per year per system. I mean, we can add more, but they will visually overlap, which is not so nice. I don't know

[9fans] Plan 9 History Timeline

2025-07-17 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, sometimes I'm confused about the number of Plan 9 related projects and how they fit into the whole scheme of Plan 9 World. So I started collecting some historic events about various projects and built a little script to convert that into an SVG timeline. The current state of the timeline c

Re: [9fans] the linux appliance has networking

2025-07-05 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, Not that it really makes sense, but have you tried running 9front as a thread? Inferno could also be interesting... sirjofri -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Te76ab24d61c9ede7-M283c0dd451b9938b395fa20f Delivery optio

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

2025-07-01 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
01.07.2025 02:38:46 Stanley Lieber : >> On Jun 30, 2025, at 6:39 PM, Stanley Lieber wrote: >>  > markdown >> >> this builds and runs on plan 9: >> >> https://www.pell.portland.or.us/~orc/Code/discount/ I'll look at that, it looks promising! > actually, werc even ships an awk implementation: > h

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

2025-06-30 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, 30.06.2025 18:51:41 ron minnich : > I can understand that, and I agree with your decision; I would hate to see > you distracted from the work you are doing! I can see lots of use cases though. There are many smaller tasks where I could choose to implement the solution in C, or just take a g

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

2025-06-30 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
30.06.2025 16:45:00 o...@eigenstate.org: > The bigger problem is interest -- I don't have perl code I care > to run, does anyone else here? That's what I also think. Most people don't use perl anymore. I know someone who uses perl professionally for basically all his projects, and it's possible

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

2025-06-30 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
30.06.2025 11:54:50 a...@xplshn.com.ar: > (there are ports of `perl`, `python`, `lua`, but Go is the only language with > proper upstream support, and also the stability required for development, and > given its immense portability, we get access to the millions of libraries > developed in Go wi

Re: [9fans] linux vm appliance

2025-06-15 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
14.06.2025 23:56:16 o...@eigenstate.org: > I don't want to write an X server, only for firefox to decide > that they want to lead the way into a glorious wayland-only > future. I was actually thinking about writing one. It shouldn't be too hard, but then I remembered how much effort it'll be to s

Re: [9fans] linux vm appliance

2025-06-15 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi again, I read a bit through Wayland and it seems like we could take a Wayland implementation (like weston) and adjust it to output to devdraw instead of using Linux DMA or vulkan or whatever. That adjusted Weston could run inside the Linux vm. That way, the bridge could be easily synchronize

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

2025-06-09 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
09.06.2025 14:39:50 Lucio De Re : > I'm tempted to close off with something like: "The concept of API is a > generalisation, each individual API defines its own boundary" even though it > is too concise to convey what I would need to develop much further. Feel free > to challenge my presentation

Re: [9fans] The Big Questioning: Plan 9 everywhere?

2025-06-07 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, Vic, your mail raised many arguments which I didn't agree with. Discussion inline. As the original mail was already quite long, this response is even longer. If you still want to read it, prepare yourself with a cup of tea or something. 06.06.2025 00:44:39 vester.thac...@fastmail.fm: > Muc

Re: [9fans] A challenge for all of you out there ...

2025-06-03 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
03.06.2025 02:10:51 Ron Minnich : > I have this picture in my head of a p9f.org web page, showing a > desktop with lola, and a "try it in your web browser" button, and a > "try it on qemu" button, and a "boot it on your laptop" button. I believe the zero-effort choice for anyone would be the web o

Re: [9fans] Self Hosting and 9front Development

2025-06-03 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, nice write-up, I can second every thought and feel the same. However, I think it's worth looking at the beginner's journey - and I think there are many. I'll share my own, maybe that helps you understand a bit more about certain issues I (and probably others) had. For the background, I pro

Re: [9fans] A challenge for all of you out there ...

2025-06-02 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
02.06.2025 22:50:17 Paul Lalonde : > Stanley writes: > > but how do we transmit deep knowledge of strange computing concepts that > experience teaches are rarely happily received (new users always know better, > and/or demand their favorite tools) without inducing the candidate to read? > > I po

Re: [9fans] 11th IWP9 proceedings

2025-06-02 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, for easier reading and permalinks, having all the papers also as individual pdf files would be really cool. I think we had that for earlier IWP9s, too. sirjofri -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T273587b7cce74ef5-Mc3d

Re: [9fans] uvlong does not work on 9legacy raspberry pi image

2025-05-19 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
19.05.2025 11:06:20 Frank D. Engel, Jr. : > Just to point it out, you should technically be using %llu instead of %lld > for an unsigned value, though that would not explain the problems described > here. Are you sure you don't mix this up with %ulld? Idk, I never used scanf on plan 9. I can im

Re: [9fans] Re: Curious about the state of Plan 9 / 9front in practice

2025-05-15 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
15.05.2025 03:31:28 hahahahacker2009 : > Vita Nuova have Inferno. Microsoft use 9P for wsl. That's all I know. Well, that's not much, and if you're mentioning 9p, you could also mention utf8, which is basically used everywhere. Regarding the full plan 9 experience (if we include inferno): vita n

Re: [9fans] add delkey(1) to factotum man page's "see also"

2025-04-20 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
20.04.2025 14:53:34 adi : > Had the same problem, also rebooted. Adding it to the man pages would be a > good first step. 9front's factotum(4) already mentions delkey with an explanation, and it also links to the delkey tool which is described in delkey(1). In my opinion, that should be enough

Re: [9fans] github mirror status

2025-04-08 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
08.04.2025 06:16:27 Roman Belenov : > Yes, local branches (on local computer) work fine with shithub; however, as > far as I see, there is only one branch (front) on shithub server, and I guess > it's not intended as a place for local forks for random people. However, I'd > like an easy way to

Re: [9fans] 9phone

2025-03-25 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, 25.03.2025 13:53:02 Anthony Sorace : > I don’t think the Bitsy hardware screen was multi touch, but the software > interface certainly wasn’t. From memory, it matches what you describe. I'm pretty sure the bitsy wasn't multitouch. I think it was an H3600 series device, and my H3630 certainl

Re: [9fans] slides ...

2025-03-18 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, I built a small macro package some time ago for slides. It was mostly about setting the layout to some 4:3 format and adding a few macros for headings and stuff. Other than that, you can do a lot already with pure troff as well as ms. I wanted to look if I ever uploaded it to shithub, but I

Re: [9fans] Chemnitz Linux Days 2025

2025-03-15 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Following up on that, it looks like I'll be there. I don't know the location yet, but it seems pretty open so it should be quite possible to find each other if there are obvious signs. sirjofri -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups

[9fans] 9front as a webxdc app (deltachat)

2025-02-26 Thread sirjofri via 9fans
Hi, I just wanted to share that some deltachat developer made 9front work as an webxdc app using v86 (the browser VM). Here's a fediverse thread with screenshots etc: https://fosstodon.org/@link2xt/114067539216670904 For those who don't know, deltachat is a chat platform that's using the exist