Re: Charting the Future: Envisioning Plan 9 Release 5 for the 9fans Community. [Was:Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks]

2024-01-24 Thread Alex Musolino
ntrol system. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T42f11e0265bcfa18-Mc80ef2a838a4553dadb77d99 Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

[9fans] Supported Notebooks

2024-01-24 Thread alex-ml
the corresponding code be easily transferable to 9legacy? Many thanks in advance! Best regards,  alex -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T724dd319036f59d3-Me3be0af8080652c166755c6a Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com

Re: [9fans] Error when trying to install contrib/install

2023-02-24 Thread Alex Musolino
; I would suggest compiling the plan9 version locally and seeing if > that fixes the issue. That will probably get you by, but I'd say the contrib/install script should be fixed also. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fan

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2022-05-13 Thread Alex Musolino
> I'm getting rid of ape but I need the functions at > /sys/src/ape/lib/bsd/ntohl.c to port some software. These functions > just change endianness. Is there some native similar functions > somebody is aware of? lookman is not helping me here. I don't want > to add code if a similar functionali

Re: [9fans] 9P in Forth

2022-02-14 Thread Alex Musolino
> Just curious if anyone has attempted a 9P implementation in Forth? Seems so: https://github.com/iru-/9p4 -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T83ca5eda689bd9be-M86ada06c92d1b5dd39db3bfb Delivery options: https://9fans.topic

Re: [9fans] Create HTML pages

2022-02-01 Thread Alex Musolino
> I wanted to ask if there is a "Plan9 way" to create simple HTML > pages. Would this possibly be doable with troff, or is there for > example a way to convert Markdown? Since my intention would be a > very simple blog, it would also be possible to just create the pages > directly in HTML using a

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

2022-01-27 Thread Alex Musolino
Quoth o...@eigenstate.org: > Quoth Kurt H Maier via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net>: > > > > The Evoluent VerticalMouse series has three mechanical buttons plus a > > scroll wheel between buttons 1 and 2. > > This one is my personal favorite. I have two of these and they're quite good, though quite expe

Re[2]: [9fans] Strange 'uintptr' behavior

2022-01-25 Thread Alex Musolino
It didn't always work on 9front. Check the dump! After bisecting the dump and looking through the git log, I suspect that 9front changeset 71939a82 [1] will fix it for you. [1] https://git.9front.org/plan9front/plan9front/71939a82ccc505b0baa990d7fe17e7085d0ab8fc/commit.html --

Re: [9fans] ed regular expressions in sam

2021-07-20 Thread Alex Musolino
> In ed it is trivial to edit either side of a line such as changing > the line, > > I use sam and ed > > to, > > echo "I use sam and ed." > > simply with, > > g/.*/s//echo "&."/ > > I am trying to figure out how to do the same in sam.  ,s/^.*$/echo "&."/g or, perhaps closer to your ed exam

Re: [9fans] git9 to tradational interface wrapper for go

2021-02-28 Thread Alex Musolino
> Anyone made any progress writing a wrapper script, like djc's > /rc/bin/git, for ori's git9? Yes. This is what git/compat is for. Just run `git/compat` to spawn a new shell with a 'git' executable in your $path. For example: term% cd path/to/repo term% git/compat term% git version git versio

Re: [9fans] 9Front / cwfs64x and hjfs storage

2021-02-04 Thread Alex Musolino
> As as filesystem becomes full, what's the plan9/9front way to report > disk utilization? i.e. the equivalent of 'df'? Use the "statw" command for cwfs(4) and the "df" command for hjfs(4). -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fan

Re: [9fans] Acme Mail editable from address

2021-01-28 Thread alex
> Please double-check this. When I add a From: in acme Mail it's always > converted to a destination address. Perhaps that's a quirk of acme Mail? Works for me with Nail and marshal(1). -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/

Re: [9fans] Acme Mail editable from address

2021-01-28 Thread Alex Musolino
don't think it would change existing behavior too much. Seems it's already in 9front. I can just write my own custom From: header with Nail or marshal(1). I've never had much reason to change it so I just put the From: header you see in this message in /mail/box/alex/headers. -

Re: [9fans] getting 9front ssh to use RSA key?

2021-01-25 Thread Alex Musolino
> You are exactly correct. Looks like rsa(8) has a bug in its example > for generating and installing a fresh key for a remote Unix system, in > that it says to use: > > auth/rsagen -t 'service=ssh' >key > auth/rsa2ssh key | ssh unix 'cat >>.ssh/authorized_keys' > cat key >/mnt/factot

Re: [9fans] getting 9front ssh to use RSA key?

2021-01-25 Thread Alex Musolino
Nevermind. It doesn't matter. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td072863a97c9d3e9-M7475d1a41736a02e67e3842c Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] getting 9front ssh to use RSA key?

2021-01-25 Thread Alex Musolino
You're missing the 'role=client' tuple. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Td072863a97c9d3e9-M6e96e6354356366203ac231b Delivery options: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/subscription

Re: [9fans] 9Front / cwfs64x and hjfs storage

2020-12-29 Thread Alex Musolino
> While it is not yet a concern, I am trying to figure something out > that does not seem to be well documented in the man pages or the fqa > about the file systems. Parts of fs(4), fs(8), and fsconfig(8) can be applied to cwfs. The syntax that Ethan talked about for concatenating WORM devices is

Re: [9fans] 9front man page on ps doesn't seem to match up?

2020-09-16 Thread Alex Musolino
On my system (9front) ps(1) states: Syscall performing the named system call. Which is what you're seeing. For the complete list, have a look here: /sys/src/9/port/systab.h:/sysctab/ -- Cheers, Alex Musolino -- 9fans: 9fans Perm

Re: [9fans] /mail/lib/rewrite and net!$smtp

2019-12-06 Thread Alex Musolino
What about: % ndb/csquery /net/cs 'net!$smtp!25' Or even: % ndb/csquery /net/cs 'tcp!$smtp!25' -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/Tf5f20e4ab86fee91-M6401d7abb306e5837d2593aa Delivery options: https://9fans.

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Alex Musolino
> What are some of the technical reasons? To clarify, I'm asking about technical reasons for not using 9front as opposed to some other Plan 9 flavour; not as opposed to some other operating system(s) altogether. -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.top

Re: [9fans] upgrading the 9legacy shell (was: Gmail vs Upas)

2019-12-03 Thread Alex Musolino
> I have no interest in using 9front for both technical and > non-technical reasons. What are some of the technical reasons? -- 9fans: 9fans Permalink: https://9fans.topicbox.com/groups/9fans/T861dcd95691a032b-M7705c3f507b9b7dbb8a8800d Delivery options: ht

Re: [9fans] strange propogation paths in 9fans mail?

2019-05-04 Thread Alex Musolino
> Is this happening for anyone else? Yeah, I've noticed it on and off also.

Re: [9fans] Acme - built in command; external command

2018-04-27 Thread Alex Musolino
a screaming hack but acme doesn't expose all of the information you need to implement Putall externally. All in all, it's a lot of mucking around to save 1 mouse click. Just place Putall and mk side-by-side in your tag and be done with it. [1] http://musolino.id.au/up/PutallMk -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] Backgrounding a task

2017-10-24 Thread Alex Musolino
ain. One more thing to consider is the #σ device in 9front which seems to address some of the problems that you might otherwise use nsjoin to solve. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] Backgrounding a task

2017-10-23 Thread Alex Musolino
for an "nsjoin" command to the /proc/$pid/ctl file. This allowed you to join the namespace of another process a little something like this: term% ps | grep plumber alex 6700:00 0:00 864K Preadplumber alex6710:00 0:00

Re: [9fans] Starting rio on combined CPU, file and auth

2017-05-04 Thread Alex Musolino
> rio runs fine on any cpu server; your draw device determines where the display is. Yes, of course. That was sloppy writing on my part. What I should have said was: "CPU servers typically don't have any reason to run rio on a local draw device." -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] Starting rio on combined CPU, file and auth

2017-05-04 Thread Alex Musolino
t > but gives me errors on /dev/draw. If you compare /rc/bin/cpurc and /rc/bin/termrc you'll see that the vga device (#v) is bound only in /rc/bin/termrc. You can arrange this in /rc/bin/cpustart, before you include /rc/bin/screenrc, like so: bind -a '#v' /dev >/dev/null >[2=1] -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] Terminal possibliities...

2016-10-02 Thread Alex Musolino
> > Is there any interest in putting these p9port style keyboard modifiers > into p9bl or 9front? > 9front has Shift+RMB for emulating MMB.

Re: [9fans] IP Multicast - Results

2016-09-16 Thread Alex Musolino
Chris, As cinap says: nusb/ether doesnt implement multicast filter. > This is your problem. I believe the Raspberry Pi has its NIC attached via USB internally. Therefore, multicast won't (currently) work on the Raspberry Pi. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] IP Multicast - Results

2016-09-15 Thread Alex Musolino
> > I tried the mcastsend and mcastrecv on my two raspberry Pi's running > 9front. > How are you connecting these devices to the network? I use wired connections to a single (dumb) switch. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] IP Multicast - Results

2016-09-15 Thread Alex Musolino
ears in /net/iproute. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino

Re: [9fans] IP Multicast - Results

2016-09-14 Thread Alex Musolino
x the mentioned (and unmentioned) shortcomings. -- Cheers, Alex Musolino #include #include static void usage(void) { print("usage: %s mcast-ip port\n", argv0); exits("usage"); } void main(int argc, char **argv) { NetConnInfo *ncinfo; char adir[40], ldir[40], buf[1024]; int fd,

Re: [9fans] Ping

2016-09-13 Thread Alex Musolino
> > Sorry for the spam. Is this mailing list getting my emails? > Yes.

Re: [9fans] using tls-psk cipher suits vs roll our own handshake

2015-12-24 Thread Alex Weber
Hi, Has TLS-SRP been considered instead of TLS-PSK? If the secret used for TLS-PSK comes entirely from a password, then TLS-SRP might be a better choice. That's the extent of my knowledge of TLS-SRP. :) -Alex On Thu, Dec 24, 2015 at 5:49 PM, wrote: > > > 5) seems to much effo

Re: [9fans] What is Plan9 exactly?

2014-06-04 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jun 4, 2014 8:39 PM, "OMAR RADWAN" wrote: > I'm serious. I'm a Unix fan, I use BSD, Minix, Linux, and any unix-like OS I can get my hands on. Sadly, except, System V or HP-UX, or any UNIX. I read about Plan9 online, and it sounds like a great project. Though I do think that if this operating sy

Re: [9fans] CMS/MMS (VCS/SCM/DSCM) [was: syscall 53]

2014-05-22 Thread Alex Jordan
On Wednesday, May 21, 2014, Jeff Sickel wrote: > Git is the closest as it’s just C, > sort of: it’s a whole lot of code. But why would you want to > bring in “178K lines of *.[ch], 20K lines of shell scripts, 100K+ > lines of test scripts” and have to lug in the massive payload > of Python and P

Re: [9fans] Cannot boot plan9

2014-03-21 Thread Alex Jordan
On Mar 17, 2014 3:34 PM, "erik quanstrom" wrote: > linux sata drivers can be harder to clone since so much of the work is done > in a series of generic layers. and they can take a while to digest. As an aside, why don't we have an architecture like this? (From your comment, I'm assuming we don't.

Re: [9fans] gdbfs

2014-03-15 Thread Alex Ivanov
Steven Stallion gmail.com> writes: > While working on the Chromebook (nee exynos) port Hi, Steven. What is the state of the port? Do you plan to share code? Thanks, Alex.

Re: [9fans] sdkw - SATA drive detection broken (was ARM and u-boot)

2014-03-15 Thread Alex Ivanov
erik quanstrom quanstro.net> writes: > > > I can't take root from the net, but that's my fault. How can i do USB > > boot? I thought that USB mass storage devices aren't supported: > > i've set up several machines to boot from usb, and the installer > that i've been working on boots from usb.

Re: [9fans] sdkw - SATA drive detection broken (was ARM and u-boot)

2014-03-13 Thread Alex Ivanov
erik quanstrom quanstro.net> writes: > > > > I suspose what I am really asking is "what doesn't work" > > > > Well, the kmesg i've posted should give you an initial info. > > I have no possibility to test the stuff until i get local boot > > or will set a network/auth server for proper network

Re: [9fans] sdkw - SATA drive detection broken (was ARM and u-boot)

2014-03-12 Thread Alex Ivanov
Steve Simon quintile.net> writes: > I suspose I was thinking of audio, video, and SATA drivers > rather than a new kernel. > Does the SoC include the video device? I would like to have full support for this device too, but it's an unpopular one, so there is a little chance that it will have a fu

Re: [9fans] sdkw - SATA drive detection broken (was ARM and u-boot)

2014-03-12 Thread Alex Ivanov
Steve Simon quintile.net> writes: > > I am in no position to help, sorry, however I would love to > have access to a plan9 port to the HP t5325. > > -Steve > > Steve, There is no special port to this single device. There is a port to the Marvell Kirkwood SoCs in Plan 9 main code tree: http:

Re: [9fans] sdkw - SATA drive detection broken (was ARM and u-boot)

2014-03-11 Thread Alex Ivanov
b) wait 1ms (unsure of this timing, it could be longer) Not my case. Already tried to bump this delay. Ok… I will trace everything when using proper initialization, but i doubt it will clear anything, since i was not followed SATA spec, and did just a device probe, and while this didn’t work on Plan 9, it worked on NetBSD. Maybe it that host bridge issue? > >> Maybe NetBSD SoC driver code does some init, which Plan 9 doesn’t? > > i don't think that's it. > > - erik > Alex

[9fans] sdkw - SATA drive detection broken (was ARM and u-boot)

2014-03-09 Thread Alex Ivanov
> well, good luck. there's a sata driver in 9atom. > - erik Hi, Eric et al. Thanks for the driver! :) I however have problem using it. My device is a HP t5325 which is almost the same as any other 88F6281 *plug: "Plan 9 from Bell Labs l1 D: 16384 bytes, 4 ways 128 sets 32 bytes/line; write

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-07 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 6, 2014, at 5:29 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > the output of "pci | grep net" should be enough. > > - erik term% pci | grep net 2.9.0: net 02.00.00 1282/9102 3 0:d801 256 1:feaffc00 256 term% Thanks, Erik. You've been very helpful and friendly. :) Alex

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 5, 2014, at 11:39 PM, cinap_len...@felloff.net wrote: > instead of randomly switching distributoins, why not investigate > what hardware is actually supported and install such hardware? If you'll read my email again, you'll note that I mentioned this. I don't want to buy a new piece of har

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Alex Jordan
On Jan 5, 2014, at 8:03 PM, Steven Stallion wrote: > On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 6:03 PM, Patryk Laurent wrote: >> >> Hi Alex, >> >> I just joined the list, and so I missed your question. But I also opted for >> going with the vanilla distribution. Enj

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2014-01-05 Thread Alex Jordan
On Mon Dec 30 21:03:24 EST 2013, alexander3223...@gmail.com wrote: > Basically, would you guys recommend I try the Bell Labs > distribution of Plan 9, 9front, or 9atom as my first installation? Since no one seems to have an opinion on this, I'm going with the Bell Labs distribution. We'll see how i

Re: [9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2013-12-30 Thread Alex Jordan
On Mon, Dec 30, 2013 at 6:02 PM, Alex Jordan wrote: > At this point, I need to choose between vanilla Plan 9 or one of the > flavors (9front or 9atom). There is also 9legacy, which I forgot about.

[9fans] Vanilla Plan 9 or one of the flavors?

2013-12-30 Thread Alex Jordan
vered before, please accept my apologies. Thanks for your time, Alex Jordan

Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com downtime?

2013-10-09 Thread Alex Jordan
On Oct 9, 2013 9:49 AM, "James A. Robinson" wrote: > > I certainly can't get to it via port 80, I get a timeout. > > > On Wed, Oct 9, 2013 at 9:14 AM, Alex Jordan wrote: >> >> Anyone know why plan9.bell-labs.com/ is down? >> Yesterday I visited

Re: [9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com downtime?

2013-10-09 Thread Alex Jordan
On Oct 9, 2013 10:07 AM, "Sergey Zhilkin" wrote: > > sources.cs.bell-labs.com and plan9.bell-labs.com are different machines, web is sux, not a way to get sources :) I was looking for the papers, not the sources :) And to be clear, I was talking about HTTP access, not 9P.

[9fans] plan9.bell-labs.com downtime?

2013-10-09 Thread Alex Jordan
Anyone know why plan9.bell-labs.com/ is down? Yesterday I visited and it returned "object not found", but today it fails to load entirely and I get Firefox's "problem loading page" screen, due to a timeout. Just me? -Alex Jordan

Re: [9fans] Python3 for Plan9

2013-08-16 Thread Alex Jordan
On Aug 16, 2013 8:22 PM, "Devyn Collier Johnson" wrote: > > > On 08/16/2013 05:52 PM, Jeff Sickel wrote: >> >> Just remember that there is a small mercurial dependency that's currently not >> fully tracked. Our patches to Selenic have started to be rolled in, but it may >> still take a few more d

[9fans] Installing from the live environment

2013-08-04 Thread Alex Jordan
ere's a way to start the installer from the live environment. Any ideas? I'm using an image from 7/30/13. Thanks, Alex Jordan

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-05-01 Thread Alex-P. Natsios
but of course i am open to discuss and or change goals depending on progress and demands. -- Regards, Alex-P. Natsios (a.k.a Drakevr)

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-04-30 Thread Alex-P. Natsios
m see whether they need any "modernizing" tweak or be more golang/ idiomatic go like. @Kurt, @Andrey It is hyped and tinkertoy like kit but calling it java like is too much :P -- Regards, Alex-P. Natsios (a.k.a Drakevr)

Re: [9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-04-29 Thread Alex-P. Natsios
Silly me, didn't include a link! https://github.com/mortdeus/goblin -- Regards, Alex-P. Natsios (a.k.a Drakevr)

[9fans] [GSOC 2013] Implement plan9 commands in Go, Goblin

2013-04-29 Thread Alex-P. Natsios
though (including some info about me there) but it would be nice to have a discussion about it. . -- Best Regards, Alex-P. Natsios (a.k.a Drakevr)

[9fans] I would like to apologize

2012-11-19 Thread Alex Handy
I would like to apologize for inaccuracies in the article I wrote about 9Front and Plan9. I incorrectly attributed quotes to aiju, which he never said. The article has been deleted from our archives. -- Alex Handy Senior Editor Software Development Times http://www.sdtimes.com 510-282-4840 763

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Go (Was: GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto)

2011-07-15 Thread Alex Brainman
ows executables on linux: http://code.google.com/p/go-wiki/wiki/WindowsCrossCompiling. I suspect, these instructions will work just fine to build plan9 executable too. You would have to replace "windows" for "plan9" everywhere. Alex

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women

2010-04-25 Thread Alex Lee
case I think it does all right. ἦθος only means "accustomed place" in its most literal sense. Otherwise it can mean custom, disposition, character, etc.: http://artflx.uchicago.edu/cgi-bin/philologic/getobject.pl?c.31:3:159.LSJ ἠθικός is the adjective form (just think of other -ικός word

[9fans] ktrans on p9p

2010-04-03 Thread Alex Lee
ter Greek glyph coverage: http://dl.dropbox.com/u/1734204/djsans.tar.gz Alex

[9fans] how about intel D510MO

2010-04-01 Thread Alex
Hi everyone, I've been playing plan9 in qemu for sometime now. the only computer I have is a PS3/ubuntu9.04, and I'm thinking about buy a low cost x86 board for plan9. Is intel D510MO a good choise?

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Xen -- Follow up on previous 9fans topic

2009-10-02 Thread Alex Lee
om Etch (oldstable), which uses Xen 3.0.3. Richard's kernels boot and have been working great (thanks, Ron and Richard, for your work on this!). Alex >>From: Richard Miller <9f...@ham...> Subject: Running Plan 9 on Xen 3.2 >> Date: Tue, 30 Jun 2009 08:57:25 +0100 >>> From

Re: [9fans] J9P/StyxLib

2009-04-01 Thread Alex Efros
ike to try to make world a little better, and don't bother much about reusing my code in commercial projects or even removing my name from sources - so I use Public Domain for all my applications and libraries. GPL is a virus, designed to war against commercial software. That's not my war. -- WBR, Alex.

Re: [9fans] log oversight

2009-03-15 Thread Alex Efros
erous. To solve these two issues you have to set log permissions similar to my example above: nobody read and only root and log service able to write. After that it become much less important is these logs are append-only or not (if one really want to make logs append-only - use chattr +a). -- WBR, Alex.

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-28 Thread Alex Lee
s pretty regularly: LGATTACH edev c0440b90 ctlr c0440dd0 ETHERIN: devno 3 ring 0 irq 34 ETHEROUT: devno 3 ring 0 irq 35 Thanks again for the help and suggestions, Alex -- Alex Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]> GENRANDOM RUNNING (load is around 3) 1: init pc 89ec dbgpc 89ec A

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-28 Thread Alex Lee
time 1219956674 1219956674748050432 12199566747480504324294967296 host: date +%s 1219943774 So lguest is 12900 seconds ahead (= 215 minutes, = 3 hrs 35 minutes). John, are you getting the same? Best, Alex -- Alex Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-27 Thread Alex Lee
tes it stops again. When genrandom is running, stats shows a load of around 3000. Otherwise, load is always around 2000. The problem looks similar to this: http://9fans.net/archive/2006/03/588 -- except that the lguest instance works fine while genrandom is running. Is this genrandom behavi

Re: [9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-24 Thread Alex Lee
Let me know if there's any information that I can provide to help with this. Many thanks for all the hard work that you've put into doing this port. Best, Alex -- Alex Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>

[9fans] lguest on 2.6.25

2008-08-24 Thread Alex Lee
onnect with drawterm the connection is refused. 3. lguest always runs at full CPU. How can I figure out why this is happening? (I don't feel comfortable running lguest for more than a few minutes at a time -- the laptop gets pretty hot.) Any advice or pointers on these issues would be greatly appreciated. Thanks! Alex -- Alex Lee <[EMAIL PROTECTED]>