Re: [9fans] Can you pass the Advanced Namespace Test?

patience. For better or worse, that's the way the world works. > Anyway, no clue who made it to the end of this wall of text, but > thanks if you did. You're welcome. > > Ben Kidwell "mycroftiv" > -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] Plan 9/plan9port coding conventions

is some merit to the original idea, it's just been almost universally misunderstood. There's a coherent, if rather longwinded, explanation in the first link in that stackexchange page you cited. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] Plan 9/plan9port coding conventions

t you aren't tempted to make assumptions about them that aren't backed up by the code. But I'm a mathematician, so I tend to have peculiar ideas about such things. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] troff book

PostScript documents, but extreme trickery is needed to get them to produce fragments which can be inserted into hand rolled diagrams. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] troff book

ith make. Where TeX wins is in the actual typesetting of equations. That's one reason why I went back to LaTeX after using eqn|troff for a few months. The other reason is that using troff makes collaboration nearly impossible, as no one else is willing to use it. John -- John Stalker

Re: [9fans] troff book

's easy to check each stage of the pipeline, and > I could work out where to look for the change to undo. > > If you're using troff, pick up a copy of refer from contrib. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] OT: how do 9fans backup their Mac(book)?

h can be downloaded again go in symlinked directories, to keep the rsync time manageable. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] FORTRAN and tools [was: Modern development language for Plan 9

; and similar things, but I would prefer to port something to HPD9 that > is a little more substantial. I want to couple various other models > like plant growth and survivorship, economics, etc. > >EBo -- > -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] need feedback: bibTeX users?

ogram, but MathSciNet gives references in BibTeX format, and this is what journals demand, so I cut and paste. It's been about 7 years since I had a plan9 machine as my main machine for work, and I probably won't go back to that, but if I did then a working version of LaTeX+BibTeX would be a r

Re: [9fans] have installed plan 9 on many hosts, can't get any of them to "share".

exact same setup as the person who wrote whatever I am reading. And I'm never setting out to accomplish the exact same thing. I'm not really asking people to write better howtos. I think the idea is fundamentally broken. What we really need is some less narrative and more expository.

Re: [9fans] Mars Needs Women (was Re: TeX: hurrah!)

7;t like pastel colours and bunnies. But those people aren't on this list, so this is the wrong place to guage their level of interest. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] Has Anyone compiled 9vx on snow leopard ?

I'm using 9vx without problems on Snow Leopard. I never tried compiling. I just copied over the binary when I upgraded from Leopard. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] Netbook Install Help

ader explicitly where to find the root partition. Then you can boot, at least into single user mode, and change your /etc/fstab to match the new drive numbering. Exactly where in the boot sequence is FreeBSD freezing? -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] How 'bout a 9 USER site?

ed which is not well documented, he makes notes and then describes how he did things and posts it. It would be nice to have something like that for plan9. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] Coraid funded

Plan 9 > was fully blessed by one of our advisors. As we grow we will continue > to do a lot to help the Plan 9 community, not to mention revolutionize > storage area networking. That's certainly good news. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] Shall we fix the use of Up/Dn arrows?

made for that reason, but it's something to consider. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

at the labs. In the end, of course, it's not my call what goes in the base system. I can just express an opinion. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

> > And if you like find, write and put it in contrib. > > contrib/pull quanstro/find > > - erik Thanks -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

e days all the servers run FreeBSD. Although I like plan9, I don't think it's likely to get installed on those servers any time soon. > ron -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

> this rebooted your 9vx? sounds wrong to me. It did, or rather it tried to. Of course, /bin/reboot doesn't work in 9vx. I tested it before I posted. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

> sneaky. but it won't work. > > ; touch 'x;reboot' > ; du -a . > 0 './x;reboot' > 0 . > > - erik It worked under 9vx on my Mac. I didn't test on real hardware. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

> I just tested this and it worked fine. > du -a / | awk '{print "grep something " $2}' |/bin/rc > ron Try touch 'x;reboot' and then see if it still works fine. I don't think I like your version on a system with users I don't trust completel

Re: [9fans] find command reloaded

not sure I understand the resistance to having a find command in plan9. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

not going to do this and that I think it would break too many things, including most of my own shell scripts. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

didn't always fully understand what they were doing. There is nothing radical about suggesting that we try not to repeat their mistakes. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

also a problem with identifying non-flag arguments. In foo -x bar is bar a non-flag argument or not? You really have to read the man page of foo to find out whether you are dealing with something like foo [-x user ] file ... or something more like for [-x] file ... -- J

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

s in current UNIX/p9 seem to cater to simple interactive use at the expense both of scripts and of more complex interactive use. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

o reply to posts have read them, and perhaps even attempted to think about them. Some of you may remember when 9fans used to work like that. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

original, concatenating, function of cat with this version? With "my" version I can type `cat -' or at worst `cat /dev/fd/0' to replicate the behaviour of "your" version. An idea more along the lines of your others would be that cat reads a list of files on stdin and conca

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

e new utilities and shell and leave everything else as it is. Is it worth the effort? That's a question which can only be answered by the person who would be doing the work. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

that it is an unnecessary evil. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] mishandling empty lists - let's fix it

ell with NO globbing, just to avoid another source of worries. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] missing ed's line numbering in sam -d

The underlying problem is that sam is simply not line-oriented. If you're doing things with a file which is naturally thought of a series of lines then ed is usually better than sam -d. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] typed sh (was: what features would you like in a shell?)

ram. If you want to give it some other type then you need at least a casting mechanism. You probably also want a splitting mechanism, with a regular expression for the field separator. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] what features would you like in a shell?

. Rc improves matters slightly with lists of strings. It's still not enough for me. I make a lot of mistakes in shell programming and strict type checking would catch most of them. I'm not sure I would use a strictly typed shell exclusively, but I would certainly like to have it avai

Re: [9fans] command repetition in sam/acme

bit easier to and more natural to describe some languages in the class. There are sane objections to adding counts, but I don't think this is really one of them. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] command repetition in sam/acme

it three times. Then I snarf the lot of them, and paste three times. Then I snarf that and paste three times. Ugly as hell, but it does work. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] a bug in awk?

For what it's worth, bwk awk does not have this problem, so the error must be in code introduced later. > Note the 5946903e318 which AWK may mistakenly treat as a floating > point constant. Now to figure how to prevent such errors... -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity Col

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

27;t be me, then it needs to be done in a way that doesn't break anything, like when UNIX switched from basic to extended regular expressions and added a -e option to grep. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

nobody knows how to implement them in subexponential time, but it hasn't been proved to be impossible. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] non greedy regular expressions

handled gracefully somehow. That is: ALL: non-greedy operators, > generalized assertions, counted repetitions, character classes CAN be > processed using the fast algorithm. Why then we don't have it? I once > wrote a program in python and was pretty happy to have non-greedy >

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

hey've thought up > > If Plan 9 is really an OS only for people of types (5) and (6), and some of > (2), well then my statement is true that "Plan 9 is a 'niche' OS." No one > should wonder why it isn't more widely used or even remembered in less > &

Re: [9fans] sad commentary

the time I had to install and administer systems myself I already knew a lot. With plan9 you have to learn to be a user and administrator at the same time. That's one reason I would be very reluctant to recommend trying plan9 to most people I know. I'm afraid there's not muc

Re: [9fans] stub function generator

ch > parses C and spits out somthing like this: > > func#a|int a#b|char *b > syspipe#fd|int fd[2] > sysnotify#func|void (*func)(void*, char*) > > I understand knowledge of types is harder but if I use just basic types > this sounds doable to me. Before I writ

Re: [9fans] Acme and unicode

t is very helpful to know. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] A new language for Plan 9

Just out of curiosity, why did alef die, or are some of you still using it? -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282

Re: [9fans] A new language for Plan 9

ate worse assembly in this (common) case. > Finally, there will be two modes: hosted and standalone. The > standalone keyword changes this. Hosted mode can access print to > stdout and stderr, read from stdin, new, renew (like realloc), delete, > and a string type. I don&#x

Re: [9fans] standalone authserver on CF card

der to find. If you need a 5501 you might want to wait for the next BIOS upgrade. -- John Stalker School of Mathematics Trinity College Dublin tel +353 1 896 1983 fax +353 1 896 2282