Re: [9fans] plan9port rendering garbled

Look into hinting and subpixel hinting modes of Freetype2. For different people different combinations of modes (full, medium, slight, none for hinting; 0/1/2 for subpixel hinting) give optimal results. Hinting is usually set via symlinks under /etc/fonts/conf.d/ to what's available under /et

Re: [9fans] OT: What linux has become

That's mainly interpersonal politics. Poettering probably pounded him too hard one time. He isn't giving a technical refutation of systemd and that's actually very well possible. Why shouldn't someone turn the ranter to LFS instead? Someone with 20 years of so-called loyalty and evangelism o

Re: [9fans] Small 9pcram update

It's ccTLD for South Georgia and the South Sandwich Islands. Of course, that's a fancy domain he is using. Tempted to reserve ho.gs and clo.gs. On Wed, 2013-03-20 at 11:40 +0200, lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: > > [Postscript: Sorry for the paid placements. Bandwidth costs money.] > > I kinda lik

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on VIA C7

t for that SoC is quite mature, too. --On Friday, July 08, 2011 21:13 -0700 ron minnich wrote: On Fri, Jul 8, 2011 at 5:26 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: If given a choice I'd go with something that does not generate the heat in the first place. agree. Get an ARM :=) ron

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on VIA C7

Very good point. And, an extremely tempting experiment you have introduced me/us to out of your mighty rucksack. Could prove to be the downfall of me, buying a few more PC-104 (don't need be PC-104+, right?) Geode boards (I already got one based on LX 800). Thank you :-) Then, even without act

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on VIA C7

Despite being touted as fanless and most C7-based boards being equipped only with heatsinks they get hot as hell. Right now I'm experimenting on a board (custom form factor) built around VIA Eden 1.2 GHz, CX700 chipset, with FreeBSD 8.2-RELEASE (1 GB RAM, 8 GB IDE SSD, networked, and an externa

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug catatonic

Another possibility -- the omap "on chip" firmware will use SD-based uboot image if it finds it, instead of flash. If the plug plays by the same rules, you might be able to put a known-good u-boot on an SD and use that image. Marvell chips lack that. TI and Samsung were a tad more thoughtful.

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug catatonic

no output from uboot at all. no output of any kind. Assuming it isn't hardware death the only option I can see is re-flashing. i haven't cracked the case. does anyone know if there's a jtag port at all in a sheevaplug? Even if there's no ready-to-use JTAG port on the board on the PCB there

Re: [9fans] sheevaplug catatonic

Is it configured to use a serial console? Tried checking the output there? What's the output from uBoot, if any? As a last resort, tried re-flashing it over JTAG? --On Saturday, January 15, 2011 15:09 -0500 erik quanstrom wrote: has anyone else had a sheevaplug go catatonic? mine reset yes

Re: [9fans] Google code-in?

The compound 'code-in' follows the pattern of 'be-in' as in 'Human be-in.' You can google that. --On Friday, November 05, 2010 15:23 -0400 Jacob Todd wrote: Code-in? Could you elaborate? On Nov 5, 2010 1:22 PM, "EBo" wrote: Google just announced a code-in. Is Plan9 participating? EBo --

Re: [9fans] quote o' the day

In fact, we have both printed on paper hanging from the wall of the corridor near our office. Let's hope they learn. Learn to... 1. ... not comment their code? 2. ... not include usage instructions? 3. ... not heed that their code might need to compile on any one of a number of platforms tha

Re: [9fans] pppoe on Plan 9

The IP address is probably that of the service provider's DNS server, for use on machines other than the one that establishes the PPPoE connection. --On Monday, February 22, 2010 10:02 -0800 Russ Cox wrote: I got a username, a password, and an IP address from the Internet provider. How do I g

Re: [9fans] dataflow programming from shell interpreter

i don't think a direct mapping of COM to Plan 9 fs model is unnecessary. for example, instead of mapping every control or configuration interface and method to synthetic directories and files, a single ctl file will do. It didn't occur to me at all that anyone would want to implement DirectShow

Re: [9fans] dataflow programming from shell interpreter

Aren't DirectShow filter graphs and programs like GraphStudio/GraphEdit one possible answer to the video processing question? Filter graphs can be generated by any program, GUI or CLI, and fed to DirectShow provided one learns the in and out of generating them. The OP's question, too, finds on

Re: [9fans] grëp (rhymes with creep) and cptmp

$ time grëp Obergruppenfuhrersaal * Touché :-) --On Monday, November 30, 2009 01:52 -0600 Jason Catena wrote: hey, this is great stuff!  i really like the approach. Thank you. It evolved from wanting to cut-and-paste character classes, to automatically applying them to test them. I su

Re: [9fans] Go

arabic numeral 9 is very close: ۹ Puny pedantry: that's a(n) Hindi/Indic numeral. 9 is already an "Arabic numeral." If playing on numerals is allowed why shouldn't they call it IXgo or even Kyuugo? --On Tuesday, November 10, 2009 22:47 -0800 Skip Tavakkolian <9...@9netics.com> wrote:

Re: [9fans] Pictures from IWP9?

ikipedia/commons/2/21/Stoddard_race_map_1920.jpg> --On Saturday, November 07, 2009 10:54 + Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On Thu, 05 Nov 2009 23:41:35 +, "Eris Discordia" said: > Ah, bad middle-eastern humour. :} I haven't heard any of this since my > fath

Re: [9fans] Announcing ninefs for win32

'dokan /i a' fails to install the (kernel mode) driver but succeeds in installing the mounter service. There's a build of Dokan for Vista x64 but none for XP x64. Thanks for the tip. I won't post here on this matter anymore (unless I find a definite solution in which case I'll post a succinct

Re: [9fans] Announcing ninefs for win32

This is great news, I guess. I just downloaded the binaries and tried: ninefs -cDd sources.lsub.org z This resulted in: <<< Tversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000.u' Rversion tag 65535 msize 8216 version '9P2000' <<< Tattach tag 0 fid 0 afid -1 uname nobody aname Rattach ta

Re: [9fans] Pictures from IWP9?

Ah, bad middle-eastern humour. :} I haven't heard any of this since my father passed away. ;) When exactly did India subscribe to the Mideast mailing list? --On Thursday, November 05, 2009 16:48 + Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: On Thu, 5 Nov 2009 09:35:08 GMT, "Balwinder S Dheeman" said

Re: [9fans] sed question (OT)

Listing of file 'sedscr:' s/^/ /; s/$/aAbBcCdDeEfFgGhHiIjJkKlLmMnNoOpPqQrRsStTuUvVwWxXyYzZ/; s/ \([a-z]\)\(.*\1\)\(.\)/ \3\2\3/; s/ \([a-z]\)\(.*\1\)\(.\)/ \3\2\3/; s/.\{52\}$//; s/ //; $ echo This is a test | sed -f sedscr This Is a test $ echo someone forgot to capitalize | sed -f sedscr Som

Re: [9fans] sed question (OT)

The script has a small "bug" one might say: it capitalizes the first two words on a line that are _not_ already capitalized. If one of the first two words is capitalized then the third will get capitalized. --On Thursday, October 29, 2009 15:41 + Steve Simon wrote: Sorry, not really th

Re: [9fans] go to this site

I was curious (not that I had any hope of understanding what's going on) so I visited the place. I got this: HTTP/1.0 500 Internal Server Error Date: Tue, 27 Oct 2009 12:58:31 GMT Server: Apache/2.2.11 (Debian) PHP/5.2.6-0.1+b1 with Suhosin-Patch mod_python 3.3.1 Python/2.5.2 mod_wsgi/2.3 Conte

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

"Moore's law doesn't say anything about speed or power. But why'd you assume "people in the wrong" (w.r.t. their understanding of Moore's law) would measure "speed" in gigahertz rather than MIPS or FLOPS? --On Tuesday, October 20, 2009 02:38 +0100 matt wrote: erik quanstrom wrote: y

Re: [9fans] utf-8 text files from httpd

The decision whether to open in place or save to disk based on MIME type is up to the browser. For example, I set my browsers to ask to save to disk application/pdf documents (rather than opening them with Adobe Acrobat's problem plugin). A MIME type of text/plain (without any specification of

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

Could be wrong, but I think he's referring to the SPURS Engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpursEngine I had never seen that but I had encountered news on the Leadtek card based on it. --On Saturday, October 17, 2009 16:18 -0500 Eric Van Hensbergen wrote: Could be wrong, but I think he

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

Interesting, 1080p? you have a link? The one I read long ago: First Google "sponsored link:" (This one's an industrial rackmounted machine. No expansion card.) BadaBoom is just software that uses C

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

There is a vast range of applications that cannot be managed in real time using existing single-core technology. please name one. I'm a tiny fish, this is the ocean. Nevertheless, I venture: there are already Cell-based expansion cards out there for "real-time" H.264/VC-1/MPEG-4 AVC encoding

Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS

out earlier on this thread. The 7200s have an MTBF of around 0.75 million hours in contrast to RE4s with > 1.0-million-hour MTBF. --On Tuesday, September 22, 2009 00:35 +0100 Eris Discordia wrote: What I haven't found is a decent, no frills, sata/e-sata enclosure for a home system.

Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS

What I haven't found is a decent, no frills, sata/e-sata enclosure for a home system. Depending on where you are, where you can purchase from, and how much you want to pay you may be able to get yourself ICY DOCK or Chieftec enclosures that fit the description. ICY DOCK's 5-bay enclosure seeme

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

I've been, for the time being, officially p9-gagged due to "core-dumping" on the list. But thanks anyway for the information. And yes, the Latin alphabet does function. --On Monday, September 14, 2009 09:33 + Paul Donnelly wrote: eris.discor...@gmail.com (Eris Di

Re: [9fans] Chaucer on 9fans

"Aye an' a bit of Mackeral settler rack and ruin Ran it doon by the haim, 'ma place. Well I slapped me and I slapped it doon in the side and I cried, cried, cried." [...] "Aye! A roar he cried frae the bottom of his heart That I would nay fall but as dead, dead as 'a can be by his feet; De ya ken?

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

i think you need to read some chaucer. you are the boiling frog in a pot of words. English isn't my native tongue. It's a bit too much to expect me to read 14th century "stuff" only to understand what probably amounts to an affront. You tell me what is "the boiling frog in a pot of words."

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

ng) in one decade or less. And, of course, I have my doubts, too, but I also have my hopes _and_ my thought experiments. --On Saturday, September 12, 2009 02:39 -0600 Daniel Lyons wrote: On Sep 12, 2009, at 1:05 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: There's a discussion of evolution of language

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

i believe this distinction between "natural" and "artificial" languages is, uh, arbitrary. Well, I don't think this is true. The distinction is strong enough for everyone to be able to immediately tell apart a language from a non-language. Actually, I think the term "artificial language" is ki

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

your first problem was whether japanese would have some sort of new or unique problem with an alphabet given the absence of certain syllables (like shi) from the language. the answer is, of course, no: the language would fall into either of the two extant conventions for dealing with the syllable:

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

lots of romance languages have exactly that characteristic, though (maybe other languages, too). see C and G in italian. "ci" is simply pronounced "correctly" as "chi". That's true but isn't exactly the same thing. "Irregularly" pronounced combinations are still valid combinations. I'd say the

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

http://thinkzone.wlonk.com/Language/Korean.htm Interesting. I used to think Korean, too, uses a syllabary. Turns out it's expressed alphabetically. Expressing Japanese that way would create some space for confusion as there are certain sounds that never combine with certain other sounds, e.g.

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

anyway, the general idea is that it can compose kanji from strings of hiragana. it's also been used for other languages (although my memory of that says it was mostly for the transliteration function, rather than the compositing function). is it possible to do something similar for the hanzi, comp

Re: [9fans] Simplified Chinese plan 9

Maybe it makes a sence to make something like this in Plan9 (an analog kbmap) for typing complex symbols like an hieroglyph ? Your method is in essence what Microsoft's IME on Windows and various IMEs on UNIX-likes (such as SCUM) use. However, an IME for inputting from a list of over twenty th

Re: [9fans] nice quote

There is a plan 9 OST? The leech target contains mostly video game OSTs. For exactitude's sake I did look for P9fOS. Not there, but if you're really into it (and heed "piracy" not) that bit of auditory magic, and indeed the visual magic it accompanied, is a couple clicks away from the Google

Re: [9fans] nice quote

anyone written any software recently? at this point it probably doesn't matter whether it was for plan 9 or not. Me did moan. Me did code, too, the retarded way. Wrote a couple score lines of Perl to extract bits of JavaScript out of pages at a certain site, slightly modify them, run them, ext

Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS

Thanks. Erik Quanstrom, too, posted a link to that page, although it wasn't in HTML. --On Monday, September 07, 2009 22:02 +0200 Uriel wrote: On Fri, Sep 4, 2009 at 3:56 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: if you have quanstro/sd installed, sdorion(3) discusses how it controls the backplane l

Re: [9fans] nice quote

This thread has grown into a particularly educational one, for me at least, thanks to everyone who posted. Vinu Rajashekhar's two posts were strictly to the point. There _is_ a mental model of the small computer to teach along with Scheme and there are ways to get close to the machine from wit

Re: [9fans] nice quote

Thanks for the first-hand account :-) Don't be Whiggish in your understanding of history. Its participants did not know their way. Given your original narrative I really can't argue. Maybe, as you note, I'm wrongly assuming everyone knew a significant part of that which had come before them

Re: [9fans] nice quote

There's a talk Doug McIllroy gave where he joked about how he basically invented (or rather, discovered) recursion because someone said ``Hey, what would happen if we made a FORTRAN routine call itself?'' IIRC he had to tinker with the compiler to get it to accept the idea, and at first, no one re

Re: [9fans] nice quote

In this respect rating the "expressive power of C versus LISP" depends very much on the problem domain under discussion. Of course. I pointed out in my first post on the thread that "[...] for a person of my (low) caliber, LISP is neither suited to the family of problems I encounter nor suited

Re: [9fans] nice quote

in fact, none of the things we take for granted --- e.g., binary, digital, stack-based, etc. --- were immediately obvious. and it might be that we've got these thing that we "know" wrong yet. I don't think we are actually in disagreement here. I have no objections to your assertion. However, t

Re: [9fans] nice quote

so you're saying that the table in this section is wrong? http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Computer#History_of_computing if it is and you can back it up, i sugeest you fix wikipedia. It isn't wrong. The exact wording from "The First Computers: History and Architectures" goes: The instruction

Re: [9fans] nice quote

I forgot this: Graham basically accuses programmers who don't find LISP as attractive (or powerful, as he puts it) as he does of living on lower planes of existence from which the "heavens above" of functional (or only LISP) programming seem incomprehensible. He writes/speaks persuasively, he'

Re: [9fans] nice quote

Using your theories, please explain why Lisp and Plan 9 both hover around the same level of popularity (i.e., not very, but not dead either). I don't think I can say anything in that respect that cannot either be easily refuted or greatly improved upon by someone already reading this list and

Re: [9fans] nice quote

at page and let your mind do the free association. And I did say it was about wondering, didn't I? --On Saturday, September 05, 2009 07:36 -0700 John Floren wrote: On Sat, Sep 5, 2009 at 7:27 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: One serious question today would be: what's LISP _really_ good fo

Re: [9fans] nice quote

general-purpose language good for "system programming"--you seem to call that "being a good OS language"-- I take this part back. I mixed your post with Jason Catena's for a moment. --On Saturday, September 05, 2009 15:14 +0100 Eris Discordia wrote: Let me be

Re: [9fans] nice quote

I forgot this: Graham basically accuses programmers who don't find LISP as attractive (or powerful, as he puts it) as he does of living on lower planes of existence from which the "heavens above" of functional (or only LISP) programming seem incomprehensible. He writes/speaks persuasively, he's

Re: [9fans] nice quote

One serious question today would be: what's LISP _really_ good for? http://www.paulgraham.com/avg.html I could do a similar thing: ... and leave you wondering (or not). I won't. Paul Graham's essay/article consists of a success story, _

Re: [9fans] nice quote

(perceived?) failure has to do with the paradigm itself, rather with whether mere mortals can find application areas where the cost of assimilating that paradigm (and therefore learning the language) is justified by measurable gains. --On Friday, September 04, 2009 15:36 -0600 Daniel Ly

Re: [9fans] nice quote

Caveat: please add IMH(UI)O in front of any assertion that comes below. Since education was brought up: I remember I found it seriously twisted when I was told mathematics freshmen in a top-notch university not (geographically) far from me are taught not one but two courses in computer program

Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS

there's a standard for this red fail orange locate green activity maybe you're enclosure's not standard. That may be the case as it's really sort of a cheap hack: Chieftec SNT-2131. A 3-in-2 "solution" for use in 5.25" bays of desktop computer cases. I hear ICY DOCK has better offers b

Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS

Many thanks for the info :-) if there's a single dual-duty led maybe this is the problem. how many sepearte led packages do you have? There's one multi-color (3-prong) LED responsible for this. Nominally, green should mean drive running and okay, alternating red should mean transfer, and or

Re: [9fans] Petabytes on a budget: JBODs + Linux + JFS

- a hot swap case with ses-2 lights so the tech doesn't grab the wrong drive, This caught my attention and you are the storage expert here. Is there an equivalent technology on SATA disks for controlling enclosure facilities? (Other than SMART, I mean, which seems to be only for monitoring and

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

mably). I downloaded the excerpt in MOV and watched it. --On Thursday, September 03, 2009 08:57 -0700 Bakul Shah wrote: On Thu, 03 Sep 2009 07:29:53 BST Eris Discordia wrote: I mean, I never got past SICP Chapter 1 because that first chapter got me asking, "why this much hassle?&quo

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

2, 2009 09:35 -0700 Bakul Shah wrote: On Wed, 02 Sep 2009 12:32:53 BST Eris Discordia wrote: Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is already hard/unusual enough for one to no

Re: [9fans] "Blocks" in C

Perl people love closures. It's one of their common programming techniques. Closures in C? Way to screw its clarity and closeness to the real (or virtual) machine. And in the end closure or no closure doesn't change how the binary looks but allows programmers to pepper source with brain-teasers

Re: [9fans] scheme plan 9

Although, you may be better off reading SICP "as intended," and use MIT Scheme on either Windows or a *NIX. The book (and the freaking language) is already hard/unusual enough for one to not want to get confused by implementation quirks. (Kill the paren!) --On Wednesday, September 02, 2009 10:

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

just to correct a basic fact, the size of the instruction set doesn't define RISC instruction set (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/RISC "instruction set size"). Heh. I did refer to exactly that article and consequently inserted "adding to the complexity of each primitive" as well as the modifier "

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

l" wrote: 2009/6/11 Eris Discordia : but given that plan 9 is about having a system that's easy to understand and modify, i would think that it would be tough to demonstrate that asyncronous i/o or callbacks could make the system (or even applications) simplier. i doubt that they w

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

but given that plan 9 is about having a system that's easy to understand and modify, i would think that it would be tough to demonstrate that asyncronous i/o or callbacks could make the system (or even applications) simplier. i doubt that they would make the system more efficient, either. do you

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

the signal context is the original calling thread. unless ms' diagram is incorrect, this is a single threaded operation; only the i/o originator can process the event. so the plan 9 Of course it is single-threaded operation. That's the very idea behind using callbacks. Originally they were us

Re: [9fans] critique of sockets API

i don't think i understand what you're getting at. it could be that the blog was getting at the fact that select funnels a bunch of independent i/o down to one process. it's an effective technique when (a) threads are not available and (b) processing is very fast. This might help: what he is get

Re: [9fans] Adventures of a home user

To whom it may concern: had the right patches for Plan 9 to work on Virtual PC been incorporated and a new ISO released half the complaints from Windows users who want to give Plan 9 a try would disappear. Some potential enterprise users might also get interested in running many Plan 9 instances

Re: [9fans] VirtualBox and Plan9

I have tried to boot a number of Plan 9 4e ISOs on a number of VirtualBox releases (even from before Sun acquired it). Just won't work. It will take someone who knows Plan 9 very well to debug it and find out exactly why it doesn't. A problem with Virtual PC was recently solved, I remember, by

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

April 18, 2009 3:43 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:29 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: That is a lie. There are updates which (at least on XP) you could never refuse. Nevermind the fact that Windows would have to restart more than once on a typical series of updates.

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

mal user should have. --On Saturday, April 18, 2009 12:19 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" wrote: On Sat, Apr 18, 2009 at 2:08 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there'

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

This thing about Windows updates, I think it's a non-issue. It's not like updates are mandatory and, as a matter of fact, there's rather fine-grained classification of them on Microsoft's knowledge base which can be used by any more or less experienced user to identify exactly what they need for

Re: [9fans] VMs, etc. (was: Re: security questions)

even today on an average computer one has this articulation: a CPU (with a FPU perhaps) ; tightly or loosely connected storage (?ATA or SAN) ; graphical capacities (terminal) : GPU. It happens so that a reversal of specialization has really taken place, as Brian Stuart suggests. These "terminal

Re: [9fans] security questions

Very nice of you to go to lengths for describing Inferno to a non-techie. Thank you. Just got the Fourth Edition ISO and will try it. Maybe even learn some Limbo in long term. --On Friday, April 17, 2009 1:55 PM +0200 lu...@proxima.alt.za wrote: what it is that Inferno does for a user or what

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

wrote: On Apr 15, 2009, at 4:26 AM, Eris Discordia wrote: Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office. True, but that doesn't mean it can't be used in such an environment. I type all my reports up in Plan 9. Please set aside rare cases and let us know who except for the studen

Re: [9fans] security questions

I see. Thanks for the edification :-) I found--still find--it hard to understand what Inferno is/does. Actually read but it isn't very direct about what it is that Inferno does for a user or what a user can do with it; what distinguishes it fr

Re: [9fans] security questions

The other thought that comes to mind is to consider something like class based queuing (from the networking world). That is, allow choice of different allocation/scheduling/resource use policies and allow further subdivision. As with jail, this is also present in FreeBSD, I believe. It's called

Re: [9fans] security questions

Plan 9 itself makes a great platfrom on which to construct virtualisation. I don't know what Inferno is but the phrase 'virtual machine' appears somewhere in the product description. Isn't Inferno the 'it' you're searching for? --On Friday, April 17, 2009 6:48 AM +0200 lu...@proxima.alt.za w

Re: [9fans] vgadb woes

Try generating a working modeline for your X.Org and then just put the numbers from modeline into vgadb. xvidtune should help with generating the modeline. A modeline looks like: Modeline "mode_name_here" 106.47 1440 1520 1672 1904 900 901 904 932 -HSync +Vsync Numbers are from left to righ

Re: [9fans] some measurements in plan 9

OK, they just run for a few seconds, so, any suggestions are welcome (in fact needed) /dev/bintime Wouldn't many rounds of running with different data sets (to minimize cache hits) and timing with time also serve the same purpose? Does time introduce some unavoidable minimum margin of error

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

If you phrased this slightly more gently, people may in fact agree with you. They'd be agreeing with the wrong formulation, then. But Plan 9 is a great environment to experiment in. Sure. So is every nascent or vestigial system. Anyhow, the thread's originator says he's interested in comput

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

tting answers if something goes wrong. I believe there won't be any need for changing your partition table as long as you don't want QEMU read/write from/to a "raw" partition. --On Wednesday, April 15, 2009 9:05 PM +0800 Jim Habegger wrote: On Wed, Apr 15, 2009 at 4:26

Re: [9fans] Help for home user discovering Plan 9

I don't know if it's because of bashfulness or what that people aren't telling it to your face: Plan 9 is not intended for home or home office. It hasn't matured to that point and its age is already past when it had a chance to mature. From what I've read on this list it probably serves as the

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

9 3:33 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" wrote: On Thu, Apr 9, 2009 at 6:09 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: It only starts to balloon once you begin customizing bash. Have you customized your bash by aliases as long as tens or hundreds of lines? Now is it bash's fault you have defined an ali

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

this is the "space-shuttle dichotomy." it's a false one. it's a continuum. its ends are dangerous. So somewhere in the middle is the golden mean? I have no objections to that. *BSD systems very well represent a silver, if not a golden, mean--just my idea, of course. it is interesting to m

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

It only starts to balloon once you begin customizing bash. Have you customized your bash by aliases as long as tens or hundreds of lines? Now is it bash's fault you have defined an alias for something that ought to be a script/program in its own right? --On Thursday, April 09, 2009 3:34 PM -

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

Seems Charles Forsyth's bash (or wc -l) works very differently. [r...@host ~/]# set | wc -l 49 [r...@host ~/]# 37 out of 49 are just environment variables (as contrasted to shell variables). So the shell is using 12 variables in addition to the environment. A 'set | wc -c' gives 2133 o

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

tend to. They aren't carefree researchers with high ambitions. --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 11:04 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 9:48 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: The man page *does* say it's too big and slow. So does the bash manpage. And getting readlin

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

light of bash's normal behavior or the working .inputrc files I've been using for some time. Anyway, thanks for the info. --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 3:57 PM -0400 "J.R. Mauro" wrote: On Tue, Apr 7, 2009 at 2:21 PM, Eris Discordia wrote: I see. But seriously, readline

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

I see. But seriously, readline does handle bindings and line editing for bash. Except it's a function instead of a program and you think it's a bad idea. --On Tuesday, April 07, 2009 10:31 PM +0800 sqweek wrote: 2009/4/7 Eris Discordia : Keyboard bindings for example; why couldn

Re: [9fans] a bit OT, programming style question

Keyboard bindings for example; why couldn't they be handled by a program that just does keyboard bindings + line editing, and writes finalized lines to the shell. Like... readline(3)? SEE ALSO The Gnu Readline Library, Brian Fox and Chet Ramey The Gnu History Library, Brian Fox a

Re: [9fans] way OT but shocking none the less

Not really. Rackable Systems has for long been one of those things that were there but you never saw. And SGI's end was coming. When did they decommission IRIX? Wasn't it some years ago? I think Rackable Systems is going to focus on SGI's supercomputing background and boost their line with par

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 on Routers?

as long as you restrict your network to plan 9 machines, it is possible to import /net from a gateway machine and avoid sticky things like packet filtering. Back to the future yet? May I suggest that the "sticky" packet filtering, more generally packet manipulation, has crucial applications in

Re: [9fans] Venti by another name

I'll know soon enough as I'm in the process of building a Venti store for our video files. I just wondered if anyone had done it already. That kindles in me the bystander's interest. It'd be nice of you to report back on results. --On Monday, February 16, 2009 12:13 PM + matt wrote:

Re: [9fans] Venti by another name

BitTorrent protocol chops the upload into same-sized blocks and hashes each block. Then the blocks are traded. It predates other P2P protocols that do so. I don't know about anonymity/privacy guards (FreeNet was mentioned). In BT these hashes are contained in the torrent file and used for integr

Re: [9fans] Flash Video

Very interesting. Thank you. By the way, Gnash seems to be quite useful. --On Tuesday, February 03, 2009 12:22 PM +0100 Christian Walther wrote: 2009/2/3 Eris Discordia : I don't know of any open source implementations of Flash Player. The software on each platform and for each br

Re: [9fans] Flash Video

I don't know of any open source implementations of Flash Player. The software on each platform and for each browser seems to be (c) Adobe and closed source. Does an open source implementation, however incomplete, exist? Videos embedded in SWF files are encoded in Sorenson's MPEG-4 profile.

Re: [9fans] cheap, low-resolution terminal

yes, it is *also* hard to mistype on it. Yeah, you have a point there. It's unimaginable to me how someone can type on that keyboard, but it seems some people do and do well. My question's target was whether it's because of a motor disability that matt uses a Maltron or out of personal choic

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