Re: [9fans] plan9port changes to rc and acme

2024-10-01 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Like a vector clock might? Sent from my iPhone > On Oct 1, 2024, at 2:32 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > > i believe that assumes a state exists in the universe where they are "in > step" > >> On Tue, Oct 1, 2024 at 2:14 AM Alyssa M via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: >> >> If mouse clic

Re: [9fans] openat()

2024-04-06 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Depending on the implementation of the file system, openat vs open can be more efficient if there’s a lot of metadata locking for file creation.Sent from my iPhoneOn Apr 6, 2024, at 1:36 PM, ron minnich wrote:openat gives you the effect of 'cd path; open file' without having to cd. I don't see a

Re: [9fans] Supported Notebooks

2024-01-24 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Or you could just run 9front?Sent from my iPhoneOn Jan 24, 2024, at 10:48 AM, alex...@posteo.de wrote: Hello everyone,I would like to know which hardware (apart from the hardware listed here: https://plan9.io/wiki/plan9/Supported_PC_hardware/index.html) is supported by Plan 9. Is there any experie

Re: [9fans] acme and sam - mouse suggestions?

2022-02-01 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
I use a big heavy trackball. Kensington pro trackball is pricey but you get four buttons and a scroll ring. Got my first one well over 10 years ago and it’s still my daily driver. I have a second wireless one on a Mac. The wired one is better overall if you can get them. The wireless one can wo

Re: [9fans] licence question

2022-02-01 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
> On Jan 29, 2022, at 8:03 AM, ibrahim via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > > And I believe that the reason why NetBSD, OpenBSD, FreeBSD are not as wide > spread as Linux was the lack of a compiler suite conforming to the BSD license For some people it’s because they didn’t have a math coproc

Re: [9fans] Breaking up long lines in sam into more manageable ones

2021-08-26 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Sent from my iPad > On Aug 26, 2021, at 12:01 PM, fwrm via 9fans <9fans@9fans.net> wrote: > >  >> On Wednesday, 25 August 2021, at 9:31 PM, David Leimbach wrote: >> Try in the tagline >> Edit ,|fold -s -w80 >> Highlight it and middle click it. >

Re: [9fans] Breaking up long lines in sam into more manageable ones

2021-08-25 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
Try in the tagline Edit ,|fold -s -w80 Highlight it and middle click it. Sent from my iPad > On Aug 25, 2021, at 8:20 AM, revcomni...@gmail.com wrote: > >  > I would like to be able to break up long lines in sam in a way similar to the > way I break them up in ed. For ed, I rely on the ext

Re: [9fans] fork of a fork of Inferno that runs on Mac OS amd64

2021-07-30 Thread David Leimbach via 9fans
No problem! It seems acme does work ok, but it uses XQuartz. It’s been so long since I’ve used inferno I’ve forgotten how to get started! Dave > On Jul 30, 2021, at 12:39 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > > Good job friend. Thanks for doing this. > > On Fri, Jul 30, 2021 at 9:26 AM leimy2k via 9f

Re: [9fans] gcc not an option for Plan9

2013-03-23 Thread David Leimbach
Yup Sent from my iPhone On Mar 23, 2013, at 12:17 PM, Rob Pike wrote: > It's pointless to complain about the size of "hello world". It's not a > real program. In Go's case it's larger than a C binary because the > libraries (and the presence of a runtime) are capable of much more > under the co

Re: [9fans] building go on VMWare gives fatal error: malloc/free -

2013-03-06 Thread David Leimbach
I tried to build it on a real computer and my wife filed for divorce. On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 7:41 AM, Jeremy Jackins wrote: > Building fails for me on qemu as well, except it crashes the whole system. > > > On Wed, Mar 6, 2013 at 4:02 AM, ROuNIN wrote: > >> Hello all, >> I am trying to build Go

Re: [9fans] iwp9 8e 31-oct — 2-nov 2013

2013-03-02 Thread David Leimbach
Where? How? Sent from my iPhone On Mar 2, 2013, at 10:23 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > this is your monthly iwp9 spam! > > it's not too early to register. i'll try to get > a special iwp9 rate this week. > > - erik >

Re: [9fans] meet native port of rdesktop 1.6

2013-03-01 Thread David Leimbach
Ok. Now I NEED raspberry pi Sent from my iPhone On Mar 1, 2013, at 2:04 AM, Yaroslav wrote: > now works on arm (tested on raspberry pi) > > > 2013/2/9 >> excellent! :) >> >> -- >> cinap > > > > -- > - Yaroslav

Re: [9fans] new fork?

2013-02-27 Thread David Leimbach
There is/was a Plan B. Some of the ideas went into Octopus I think... On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:45 PM, Devon H. O'Dell wrote: > 2013/2/27 David Leimbach : > > I'd have called it Plan A. > > [Insert horrific Plan B joke here.] > > > On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36

Re: [9fans] new fork?

2013-02-27 Thread David Leimbach
I'd have called it Plan A. On Wed, Feb 27, 2013 at 1:36 PM, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: > http://plan10.tumblr.com/ > >

Re: [9fans] c compiler bug

2013-02-21 Thread David Leimbach
Can I run it on my iPhone? Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2013, at 11:58 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > good day. is this the p9p on osx help forum? >

Re: [9fans] arcnet

2013-02-21 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Feb 21, 2013, at 6:16 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > > On 21 February 2013 12:54, hiro <23h...@gmail.com> wrote: >> they say it's pretty deterministic. good read from wikipedia. > > I was disappointed to discover that ARCNET did not, in fact, send packets by > shooting

Re: [9fans] meet native port of rdesktop 1.6

2013-02-08 Thread David Leimbach
Very cool! On Fri, Feb 8, 2013 at 7:54 AM, Yaroslav wrote: > /n/sources/contrib/yk/rdesktop > > It supports RGB16 server output only and doesn't implement graphic orders > beyond bitmap update. Tested against XP and servers 2003, 2008, 2012. > > -- > - Yaroslav Kolomiyets >

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 6:17 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Tue, Jan 15, 2013 at 4:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote: >> http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php > > so, what is that place? > > ron > No idea

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
It just occurred to me this could be the backup software I use on my Mac that runs overnight Its java based client may have done some bad things Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 4:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php >

Re: [9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
This is not from me. I just received a bunch of mail from myself on a few email accounts at about this time. Sent from my iPhone On Jan 15, 2013, at 4:17 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php >

[9fans] Fwd:

2013-01-15 Thread David Leimbach
http://fiorentinix.altervista.org/ajbev3.php

Re: [9fans] these are release of 9front?

2013-01-08 Thread David Leimbach
I think you guys should keep doing what you do. Different people have different reasons and motivations for what they do. These do not always line up well to form a totally free-from-fragmentation community. That we all still share 9fans is a good way to keep up with the different efforts too

Re: [9fans] 9fans Digest, Vol 103, Issue 57

2012-11-28 Thread David Leimbach
It's the dual of a nap, which probably means to be awake. On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 8:09 PM, Matthew Veety wrote: > > On Wed, 28 Nov 2012, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > > ken has left the building >> >> -- >> conap >> >> >> > Who is this conap, and what have you done with cinap? > > -- > Veety >

Re: [9fans] C++

2012-11-27 Thread David Leimbach
Haskell On Tue, Nov 27, 2012 at 9:09 AM, Eugene Gorodinsky wrote: > Yay! A "C++ vs the world" flamewar! Again. > > Let me just point out that writing a game engine consists of a little bit > more than just calls to opengl. Game engine programmers tend to embed > scripting languages in their engi

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Nov 22, 2012 8:31 AM, wrote: > > > it's an Xbox game. and yes, you > > need it ;) > > Xbox-360? Surely it runs IBM code? > Yes. IBM power pc > :-) > > ++L > >

Re: [9fans] C++

2012-11-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Nov 23, 2012 6:03 AM, wrote: > > > Are operating systems written in C for it's technical merits or because > > it is industry standard practice? > > Neither: pragmatism. The language and Unix grew up together, teaching > each other many tricks. > > ++L > And they are not all written in C. >

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-22 Thread David Leimbach
C++ Gotchas is kind of a fun book, but I'm not sure I've even read that one all the way through. On Thu, Nov 22, 2012 at 6:10 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > > > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > >> On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:56:33AM -0500,

Re: [9fans] c++

2012-11-22 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 7:10 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Mon, Nov 19, 2012 at 09:56:33AM -0500, Calvin Morrison wrote: > > On 19 November 2012 04:59, Steve Simon wrote: > > > > Isn't all C code valid C++? problem solved. > > > As of c99, they have diverged. > > They weren't the same in 1998 eit

Re: [9fans] caveat... optimizer? the `zero and forget' thread on HN

2012-10-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Mon, Oct 29, 2012 at 4:07 PM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Mon Oct 29 19:06:41 EDT 2012, ba...@bitblocks.com wrote: > > On Mon, 29 Oct 2012 22:47:02 - Charles Forsyth < > charles.fors...@gmail.com> wrote: > > > > > > He can fool it once, but can he fool it twice? Can he recompile? > > > > Wh

Re: [9fans] I need some EDID

2012-10-23 Thread David Leimbach
Big Damn HP monitor (ZR30w) Screen 0: minimum 320 x 200, current 2560 x 1600, maximum 8192 x 8192 VGA1 disconnected (normal left inverted right x axis y axis) Identifier: 0x41 Timestamp: 19460 Subpixel: unknown Clones: CRTCs: 0 1 Transform: 1.00 0.00 0.00 0.00

Re: [9fans] I found this discussion pretty funny

2012-10-18 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Oct 17, 2012 at 6:10 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > On Wed, 17 Oct 2012 20:35:12 EDT erik quanstrom > wrote: > > > You should explore /sys on Linux. They've embraced namespaces in a > major way. > > > > what am i missing. linux' /sys is just a synthetic filesystem. where > do you > > see thi

Re: [9fans] Uriel

2012-10-14 Thread David Leimbach
Sorry to hear this. On Sunday, October 14, 2012, Benjamin Huntsman wrote: > I'll second that. Made for many an interesting conversation! > RIP > > -Ben > > From: 9fans-boun...@9fans.net > [9fans-boun...@9fans.net] > on behalf of Devon H. O'Dell [devon.o

Re: [9fans] drawterm for OSX 10.8

2012-10-13 Thread David Leimbach
Thank you! On Saturday, October 13, 2012, Jeff Sickel wrote: > > This was added to the top of include/cursor.h: > > typedef struct Cursor Cursor; > > > so it's safe to remove that line from screen-cocoa.m. I've got that > change w/a load of others I'll push soon. > > -jas > > On Oct 12, 2012, at

Re: [9fans] finally success with pentium d dualcore D945PLrn board

2012-08-28 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, August 28, 2012, wrote: > this machine works now in mp mode (after 4 years) with > 9front's acpi implementation. > > http://9fans.net/archive/2008/02/671 > > -- > cinap > > Nice!

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 10:57 AM, wrote: > On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 01:04:57PM -0400, erik quanstrom wrote: > > On Thu Jul 26 11:18:04 EDT 2012, mirtchov...@gmail.com wrote: > > > > I liked it for the same reason I > > > > liked those Cell processors - I'm weird. > > > > > > a lot of people reall

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 8:16 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > > I liked it for the same reason I > > liked those Cell processors - I'm weird. > > a lot of people really hated it because it killed alpha... > > Yes that was very sad. I liked Alpha too, but business reasons caused it to die more th

Re: [9fans] higher-end compute server recommendations?

2012-07-26 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jul 26, 2012 at 7:10 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Thu Jul 26 08:41:56 EDT 2012, 9f...@hamnavoe.com wrote: > > > And reserve same amount in $5K to have 140 ethernet ports switch ;) > > > > No need for ethernet - just link boards in a mesh using gpio pins. > > > > And yes, I am joking. > >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 technical docs and man pages - licensed or "public domain"?

2012-07-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Jul 24, 2012 at 11:01 PM, Andy Elvey wrote: > On 25/07/12 16:06, John Floren wrote: > (snip) > > Just write the code, nobody cares. The manual pages define an interface, > and you're going to implement it. The manual pages are copyrighted, sure, > because they're written works and are aut

Re: [9fans] Mini PCs

2012-06-12 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, June 12, 2012, Lluís Batlle i Rossell wrote: > On Tue, Jun 12, 2012 at 01:12:55AM -0400, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > Evaluations of the Sheevaplug in particular revealed it tended to > > overheat badly if you put any significant load on the networking > > components. Heating problems comb

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-10 Thread David Leimbach
On Friday, June 8, 2012, erik quanstrom wrote: > > In fact, the people who will eat the lunch of these people wrangling > > unstructured data, are the ones that figure out how to structure the data > > in a way that it's not a problem anymore. > > i don't know what you're saying here. And that i

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 8:44 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Yes, which makes one wonder about type systems in programming languages > and > > if they're any better than documented conventions of I/O. (i think they > > may not be, but they serve some documentation purposes all their own) > > the uni

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Friday, June 8, 2012, Gorka Guardiola wrote: > > > > Yes, which makes one wonder about type systems in programming languages > and > > if they're any better than documented conventions of I/O. (i think they > may > > not be, but they serve some documentation purposes all their own) > > > > I t

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert, Zerox -> Clone

2012-06-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jun 8, 2012 at 6:58 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > I see your point, I guess I can accept that. I still object to the idea > > of a whole other suite of programs just to run within the editor, but I > > guess it's immaterial whether the window system is part of the editor > > or the editor

Re: [9fans] has anyone wished for

2012-06-05 Thread David Leimbach
Parts of the side. But the ship has a freaking rail gun! http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Zumwalt_class_destroyer On Mon, Jun 4, 2012 at 9:37 AM, Matthew Veety wrote: > > On Jun 4, 2012, at 12:31 PM, cinap_len...@gmx.de wrote: > > > then the front falls off. > > > > -- > > cinap > > > > And probab

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

2012-05-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, May 31, 2012 at 7:50 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > Xerox seems to have missed losing their trademark [1]. There's a > lawsuit filed about Google's trademarked name in arizona [2]. A list > of genericized trademarks is available at [3]. > > Ahh, litigation... > > > Ah well, I never bought

Re: [9fans] Heresy alert

2012-05-31 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, May 30, 2012 at 2:24 PM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > The curious Z spelling was to avoid using a trademarked word in a generic > sense. But I believe Xerox lost that ability, as their name became a verb in the common vernacular. At least I believe I heard that in a marketing class I had in

Re: [9fans] new pc bootstraps

2012-05-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, May 11, 2012 at 4:26 AM, Stephen Wiley wrote: > > On May 10, 2012, at 7:30 PM, ge...@plan9.bell-labs.com wrote: > > > New PC bootstraps and manual pages will be arriving > > on sources soon. Highlights include amd64 booting, > > using kernel device drivers, better CD booting, and > > the

Re: [9fans] new arm port: teg2

2012-05-01 Thread David Leimbach
Fantastic! On Tuesday, May 1, 2012, wrote: > After you pull, you should see a new directory, > /sys/src/9/teg2. From the _announce file: > > This is a preliminary Plan 9 port to the Compulab Trimslice, > containing a Tegra 2 SoC: a dual-core, (truly) dual-issue 1GHz > Cortex-A9 v7a-architecture

Re: [9fans] Mercurial port is official

2012-04-27 Thread David Leimbach
This is truly excellent. Now to get Python to work out of the box on Plan 9. Dave On Fri, Apr 27, 2012 at 8:04 AM, Steven Stallion wrote: > All, > > I'm happy to report that the official Mecurial port is complete and > has been accepted upstream. Starting with version 2.2, Mercurial will > supp

Re: [9fans] SSHv2

2012-04-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Monday, April 23, 2012, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > >> > I haven't tried genning up a CPU kernel with the new factotum yet. > >> > >> Sorry, I meant to say "with Richard's patched original factotum." > > Patching no longer necessary - it's now in the standard auth/factotum > on

Re: [9fans] nix at lsub

2012-04-15 Thread David Leimbach
Awesome! On Saturday, April 14, 2012, Nemo wrote: > Hi, > > just FYI, > > http://lsub.org/ls/nix.html > > has links and pointers for anyone to get the > distribution and updates and/or send changes. > > hth > > >

Re: [9fans] SSHv2 and scp

2012-04-03 Thread David Leimbach
On Tuesday, April 3, 2012, Lucio De Re wrote: > > I have fixed various bugs in ssh2; they'll be in the ssh2 > > on sources once it's all shaken down. > > Wow! > > ++L Makes me want fire my guru plug back up >

[9fans] Plan 9 on ESX?

2012-03-27 Thread David Leimbach
Anyone doing this? I've had a crazy, no ZANY, notion of running ESX as my host OS, then spinning up all the various windows, freebsd, or Plan 9's that I need as necessary on my work workstation. Dave

Re: [9fans] nice terminal...

2012-03-20 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Mar 20, 2012 at 7:19 AM, Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > My delivery note says "May" > > You're lucky. I'm on the waiting list to be allowed onto > the pre-order queue. > > > Luxury! There were four of us living in a brown paper bag in a septic tank... (sorry couldn't res

Re: [9fans] Some things never change

2012-02-24 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 4:49 PM, Jack Johnson wrote: > On Thu, Feb 23, 2012 at 3:43 PM, erik quanstrom > wrote: > > pfft. we've always had find. we've just called it "du". > > It's funny, since I learned how to do that via 9fans, I still do it > that way on Linux. > > -Jack > > As do I. Peopl

Re: [9fans] KerTeX: e-TeX, CWEB and packaging!

2012-01-02 Thread David Leimbach
+1 On Mon, Jan 2, 2012 at 5:41 PM, John Floren wrote: > Voting Thierry for #1 poster of 2012 [so far] > > Looking forward to trying the new release! > > > John > > On Sun, Jan 1, 2012 at 3:02 PM, wrote: > > Hello, > > > > A supplementary note for Plan9 users before reproducing the announce. >

Re: [9fans] FYI: Chibi-scheme on plan9

2011-12-02 Thread David Leimbach
I think this is the reference implementation for r7rs as well isn't it? On Thu, Dec 1, 2011 at 12:24 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > Alex Shinn's Chibi-scheme is a r7rs "small" language > compatible Scheme. It can be used standalone for scripting or > as a library to provide an extension language. Full

Re: [9fans] all you yacc experts

2011-11-15 Thread David Leimbach
Pretty cool! On Tue, Nov 15, 2011 at 1:10 PM, Anthony Martin wrote: > Attached is a modified version of p9p yacc that > supports the Go grammar. I'll be sending a > version of Plan 9 yacc later today. > > The following is a description of the changes. > > 1. The %error-verbose directive is ign

Re: [9fans] cocoa devdraw

2011-09-26 Thread David Leimbach
Ucontext stuff was being deprecated in Leopard was my understanding and that support for it would be shoddy. Time to roll our own? Didn't you already do this? Thanks also to David! Sent from my iPhone On Sep 26, 2011, at 9:34 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > Thanks to heroic effort by David Jeannot, >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 is dead

2011-09-15 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 15, 2011 at 11:21 AM, Jack Norton wrote: > Christoph Lohmann wrote: > >> Hello, >> >> now that an academic non-polished Plan 9 remake with idiotic >> dependencies and the fun OS, which has its only goal to add >> political jokes, are taking all the pace, I hereby declare, >> that Plan

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 2:10 PM, ron minnich wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 12:22 PM, Bakul Shah wrote: > > > So you use both 2MB and 1GB PTEs? > > Yes. nemo had some extremely clever ideas and hence we can use them > (but not in the same segment). > > > > "Tubes" in memory of Sen Ted Stevens?

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:31 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:28 AM, David Leimbach > wrote: > > > > > > On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski < > mirtchov...@gmail.com> > > wrote: > >> > >> add: >

Re: [9fans] NIX 64-bit kernel is available

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
Great set of ideas here! On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 8:41 AM, ron minnich wrote: > We'd like to announce the availability of NIX, a 64-bit Plan 9 kernel > with some new ideas. The full set of changes will be covered at IWP9. > For now, here are some highlights. > > - 2 MB PTEs. 4096 byte PTEs are no

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-14 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Sep 14, 2011 at 10:23 AM, andrey mirtchovski wrote: > add: > > [ "$SYSNAME" != "Darwin" ] || ranlib $2 > > to the bottom of $PLAN9/bin/9ar > > then cd src/cmd/devdraw && mk cocoa && cp cocoa $PLAN9/bin/devdraw > > now you're as far as I got :) i'm trying to figure out why 'colors' > works,

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-13 Thread David Leimbach
Thanks for all of your work on this! On Tue, Sep 13, 2011 at 8:59 AM, david jeannot wrote: > > So I will send my code in the next few days, > > unless there is a need. > > I'm 9 days late, but here it is: the Cocoa version > of Devdraw. I just submitted it to Codereview: > >http://coder

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:59 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 9:56 AM, John Floren wrote: > > > I do not think it is acceptable to have to fork repeatedly merely to > > efficiently read a file. Also, as far as I can tell, exactly one > > program (fcp) does that. > > > > Can a singl

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 6:04 AM, dexen deVries wrote: > On Thursday 08 of September 2011 14:54:40 erik quanstrom wrote: > > On Thu Sep 8 04:52:08 EDT 2011, 23h...@googlemail.com wrote: > > > HTTP is technically different and not easily comparable to 9p. HTTP is > > > not a good example of how to d

Re: [9fans] 9ttp

2011-09-08 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Sep 8, 2011 at 1:51 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > HTTP is technically different and not easily comparable to 9p. HTTP is > not a good example of how to do things, but over high-latency links 9p > is much slower for getting files. > > HTTP tries to be stateless as well. Hence R

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
4.1 is the latest release of Xcode by the way. 4.2 is for Apple devs who pay (according to the site anyway). Dave On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:41 PM, David Leimbach wrote: > I'm using 4.1 currently, will try updating. Everything builds fine, but > some stuff doesn't run. >

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
I'm using 4.1 currently, will try updating. Everything builds fine, but some stuff doesn't run. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 12:37 PM, Russ Cox wrote: > I am using Xcode 4.2 on Lion without problems. > Can you try updating to the newer Xcode? > > Russ > >

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
You have to then rebuild everything. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 11:34 AM, Latchesar Ionkov wrote: > I get the same errors. > > Thanks, >Lucho > > On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 10:25 AM, Aram Hăvărneanu wrote: > >> Try adding > >> > >> # HA HA HA. Apple broke things again. > >> [ "$SYSNAME" != "Darwin

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
It built ok here, but sam, and acme aren't doing anything terribly interesting (well maybe it is interesting, but they're crashing, presumably logging something to somewhere interesting). I'll keep poking when I'm not at work later. Dave On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 9:26 AM, Jeff Sickel wrote: > Nic

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-09-06 Thread David Leimbach
YES! This is great. On Tue, Sep 6, 2011 at 7:16 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > David's new Cocoa devdraw is in the plan9port tree now, > but not built by default. There are still some rough > edges to work out. If you want to play and maybe > find and fix bugs, you can use > > cd $PLAN9/src/cmd/devdra

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-08-25 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 25, 2011 at 11:33 AM, david jeannot wrote: > > It is possible that we just need to tweak the > > headers to get Carbon to build again, but Cocoa is > > obviously the right long term plan. > > I have a "working" Cocoa version of Devdraw for > OS X Lion: I'm using it with Acme to write t

Re: [9fans] use Go rewrite plan 9

2011-08-20 Thread David Leimbach
Plan9 is the best idea I've seen never widely executed. Some people in the know get it, but with the way the web and the cloud is turning out, well it just makes a ton of sense to me. Sent from my iPhone On Aug 20, 2011, at 12:45 AM, Yousong Zhou wrote: > Wow. The other day when I saw Go as

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
got it... Seems to build fine now. On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:54 PM, ron minnich wrote: > Lucho is always up to date, better do a pull for go > > ron > >

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 2:19 PM, Fazlul Shahriar wrote: > > Is it goinstallable? If so, I'm not sure what I'm doing wrong. I very > > rarely use any 3rd party Go code but my own :-). > > goinstall govt.googlecode.com/hg/vt/vtclnt > goinstall govt.googlecode.com/hg/vt/vtsrv > > Works for me. > >

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:07 PM, ron minnich wrote: > anyway, enough discussion. hack hack is better than talk talk at some point > :-) > > I'm about to bench lucho's server on a 32GB arena (all of which will > be mmap'ed of course). > > ron > > Is it goinstallable? If so, I'm not sure what I'm

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 11:33 AM, Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX) < lyn...@orthanc.ca> wrote: > > Isn't p9p POSIX enough? > > It's a matter of laziness; I'd rather port venti to POSIX once rather > than port p9p to many things. There are just enough > platform-dependent bits in p9p to make it en

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:37 AM, ron minnich wrote: > On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 10:28 AM, erik quanstrom > wrote: > this is the same > > dillema any non content-addressed disk has. performance > > vs. safety. and of course one size doesn't fit all, so there are knobs > in > > most disks to tu

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:49 AM, erik quanstrom wrote: > > Note a difference between lucho and me: I ignore vtsync (I always sync > > on writes) and he properly pays attention to it. Question for the > > student: which one is better? Why? > > question cannot be answered due to insufficient > infor

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 9:15 AM, ron minnich wrote: > OK, there is a go version that lucho wrote: > https://code.google.com/p/govt/ Hooray for government! Oh, wait...

Re: [9fans] Fossil fs recovery

2011-08-11 Thread David Leimbach
Is it obvious enough from the man pages that this wouldn't be too useful to have on the Plan 9 wiki? I'm a big believer in the wiki, but not when it pushes one to avoid reading the authoritative documentation of the man pages. Dave On Thu, Aug 11, 2011 at 1:11 AM, David du Colombier <0in...@gmai

Re: [9fans] simple venti demo:

2011-08-10 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Aug 10, 2011, at 3:07 PM, "Lyndon Nerenberg (VE6BBM/VE7TFX)" wrote: >> Isn't p9p venti good enough? > > Nope. It only works where p9p works. I want code that will compile > on any POSIX-compliant host. > > Isn't p9p POSIX enough? Confused I am, but wasn't that th

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-08-07 Thread David Leimbach
On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 5:52 AM, Russ Cox wrote: > On Wed, Aug 3, 2011 at 12:25 AM, David Leimbach wrote: > > I was with you till the "very easy" part. Been following the updates > today > > and noted that (earlier) the portion of INSTALL that detects the > &

Re: [9fans] plan9port: cocoa programmer needed

2011-08-02 Thread David Leimbach
I was with you till the "very easy" part. Been following the updates today and noted that (earlier) the portion of INSTALL that detects the architecture on Darwin was not working. Had a patch for that and regrettably blew it away (accident), then had to turn my attention to something else. May t

Re: [9fans] mail client; general question web vs command

2011-08-02 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, Aug 2, 2011 at 8:02 AM, Charles Forsyth wrote: > >russ has an rc version of acme mail? > > > >russ > > you need to keep up! > > Sorry, you weren't' meant to read that. That email was from the future. My bad... let me just plug this time stability thingy back into this food processor look

Re: [9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 1:08 PM, EBo wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 10:22:55 -0700, David Leimbach wrote: > >> >> Consider that I may want to flesh out interfaces to this system later. I >> could also do this in Linux, or FreeBSD or even Windows, but why not on >> P

Re: [9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 9:32 AM, hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > I don't get the point of plan9 here. Learning C should be a matter of > hours for such an unspoiled mind, so I'd say go with bare hardware. > > Consider that I may want to flesh out interfaces to this system later. I could als

Re: [9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
On Fri, Jul 29, 2011 at 6:48 AM, EBo wrote: > On Fri, 29 Jul 2011 06:44:09 -0700, David Leimbach wrote: > >> I was outside watering plants this morning that seem to be proof of my >> "not-so-green thumb" I have for gardening and was thinking of an >> interesting

[9fans] Maybe a weird Plan 9 project.

2011-07-29 Thread David Leimbach
I was outside watering plants this morning that seem to be proof of my "not-so-green thumb" I have for gardening and was thinking of an interesting home-automation use for Plan 9. What I'd like to do is get the following: 1. Moisture sensor I can embed in some potted plant soil, and read from Pla

Re: [9fans] novel userspace paradigms introduced by plan 9

2011-07-16 Thread David Leimbach
I don't see why anyone combining ideas from Plan 9 into Linux hurts Plan 9 as long as Plan 9 continues to exist. On Saturday, July 16, 2011, simon softnet wrote: > Please, don't let plan 9 and linux be interrelated in the future in any way > ...Future plan 9 users have the opportunity to experie

Re: [9fans] vm ongoing woes

2011-06-23 Thread David Leimbach
On Thu, Jun 23, 2011 at 8:18 AM, dexen deVries wrote: > On Thursday 23 June 2011 17:09:56 ron minnich wrote: > > oh no. EFI is much worse than that. It's an operating system written > > by people who never understood the lessons learned by Unix in 1970. > > I'm not kidding. > > can one run a web b

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-17 Thread David Leimbach
might find that there is some > credibility behind the argument > that mousing is sometimes smoother for programming, than exclusively relying > on keyboard shortcuts. > Now quit your frothing at the mouth because you discovered Linux and vim. > > Simon > > > On Fri, Jun

Re: [9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-17 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On Jun 17, 2011, at 12:47 PM, John Floren wrote: > On Wed, Jun 15, 2011 at 9:23 AM, David Leimbach wrote: >> http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135 >> Dave > > The best part of these kind of threads is how they bring out all the > people wh

[9fans] Mousing is faster than typing but users do not believe it

2011-06-15 Thread David Leimbach
http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=2657135 Dave

Re: [9fans] Oh shell

2011-05-19 Thread David Leimbach
It's pretty nice. I started playing around with it yesterday. I'm a fan of stuff like scheme shell too, so this just seems like it could be another one of these cool power tools! Dave On Wed, May 18, 2011 at 5:38 AM, Rodrigo Miranda wrote: > > I saw this at hacker news. It's a shell written in

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-18 Thread David Leimbach
Sent from my iPhone On May 18, 2011, at 5:24 AM, blstu...@bellsouth.net wrote: >> On 05/18/2011 05:12 AM, Jacob Todd wrote: >>> Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing something that >>> accesses plan 9 from the web will be less hard. >> >> "The KISS (Keep It Simple, Stupid)

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread David Leimbach
On Tue, May 17, 2011 at 4:58 PM, errno wrote: > On Tuesday, May 17, 2011 04:40:50 PM Jacob Todd wrote: > > Writing/porting web stuff to plan 9 will be hard. Writing > > something that accesses plan 9 from the web will be less > > hard. > > > > Correct; but also somewhat ancillary to the general a

Re: [9fans] crazy idea - drawterm in javascript?

2011-05-17 Thread David Leimbach
JavaScript is not java... Sent from my iPhone On May 17, 2011, at 11:46 AM, a z wrote: > Ugh, I have to comment because to my noobness this sounds like an easy > project, and an easy project to over-think. Teach a java app how to draw > boxes like rio, and plug it in. Right? > > I would

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