Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Jules Merit
Begin Game Romero On Oct 17, 2017 6:22 PM, "Kurt H Maier" wrote: > On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:56:12AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > > It went away because it wasn't necessary. > > Thanks for the insight. > > khm > >

Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:56:12AM +1100, Rob Pike wrote: > It went away because it wasn't necessary. Thanks for the insight. khm

Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Rob Pike
It went away because it wasn't necessary. -rob On Wed, Oct 18, 2017 at 11:50 AM, Kurt H Maier wrote: > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 05:46:22PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > > > implementation of sam, the '@' operator (which behaved like '*' except > > The '@' operator (c=ANYNL) behaved like '.' (c

Re: [9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 05:46:22PM -0700, Kurt H Maier wrote: > > implementation of sam, the '@' operator (which behaved like '*' except The '@' operator (c=ANYNL) behaved like '.' (c=ANY) not '*' (c=STAR). Apologies for the egregious misinformation, khm

[9fans] questions whose answers are only known by people who abandoned 9fans

2017-10-17 Thread Kurt H Maier
Speaking of letter capitalization, Between the v10/jerq implementation of sam and the plan 9 implementation of sam, the '@' operator (which behaved like '*' except it also matched newlines) was removed. Please make shit up to explain this and/or tell us if you actually know why. Thanks, khm

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Tiago Natel
AFAIK, NPROC is a env variable of mk. On Oct 17, 2017 13:08, "Giacomo Tesio" wrote: > Also, why NPROC has been left uppercase? :-) > > > Giacomo > > 2017-10-17 17:45 GMT+02:00 Giacomo Tesio : > >> In *rc* you use quotation marks when you want a syntax character to >>> appear in an argument, or a

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
WAT! or should that be "wat!" On 17 October 2017 at 22:49, Jules Merit wrote: > Gun Control UTF8, sgi 0xfbc bowling for columbine > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Jules Merit > wrote: > > E4M1 Charles, dm > > E3M8 Dis 9/11 > > > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jules Merit > > wrote:

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Jules Merit
Gun Control UTF8, sgi 0xfbc bowling for columbine On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:45 PM, Jules Merit wrote: > E4M1 Charles, dm > E3M8 Dis 9/11 > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jules Merit > wrote: >> 0x8000 ... obviously it wastes time when running plan9 as RTL in a >> HDL simulator. >> >>

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Jules Merit
E4M1 Charles, dm E3M8 Dis 9/11 On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 2:12 PM, Jules Merit wrote: > 0x8000 ... obviously it wastes time when running plan9 as RTL in a > HDL simulator. > > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Anthony Martin wrote: >> Note that variables in the Mashey shell were single lett

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Jules Merit
0x8000 ... obviously it wastes time when running plan9 as RTL in a HDL simulator. On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 11:28 AM, Anthony Martin wrote: > Note that variables in the Mashey shell were single letters > in lower-case. $p was similar to $PATH in the Bourne shell. > > Maybe Tom just split the di

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Anthony Martin
Note that variables in the Mashey shell were single letters in lower-case. $p was similar to $PATH in the Bourne shell. Maybe Tom just split the difference. Have you asked him? :) Anthony

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Dan Cross
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 12:04 PM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > Also, why NPROC has been left uppercase? :-) I once had a mathematics professor who advised me not to look for rationality or logic in nomenclature. I've found that, since taking this advice to heart, my life is much less stressful.

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Giacomo Tesio
2017-10-17 18:00 GMT+02:00 Skip Tavakkolian : > On Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 8:05 AM Giacomo Tesio wrote: > >> Really? Just aesthetics? :-o >> > > >> This would flips the question a bit: I wonder why the same designers >> chose uppercase variable names while designing Unix... :-) >> > > Programs can evo

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Also, why NPROC has been left uppercase? :-) Giacomo 2017-10-17 17:45 GMT+02:00 Giacomo Tesio : > In *rc* you use quotation marks when you want a syntax character to >> appear in an argument, or an argument that is the empty string, and at no >> other time. IFS is no longer used, *except in the

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Skip Tavakkolian
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017, 8:05 AM Giacomo Tesio wrote: > Really? Just aesthetics? :-o > > This would flips the question a bit: I wonder why the same designers chose > uppercase variable names while designing Unix... :-) > Programs can evolve, why not names? There was no expectation that sh scripts

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Teodoro Santoni
Hi, 2017-10-17 16:38 GMT+02:00, Giacomo Tesio : > Out of curiosity, do anybody know why Plan9 designers chose lowercase > variables over uppercase ones? > > At first, given the different conventions between rc and sh (eg $path is an > array, while $PATH is a string), I supposed Plan 9 designers wa

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Giacomo Tesio
> > In *rc* you use quotation marks when you want a syntax character to > appear in an argument, or an argument that is the empty string, and at no > other time. IFS is no longer used, *except in the one case where it was > indispensable*: converting command output into argument lists during > comm

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Charles Forsyth
> > since for example the original Rc paper still referred to $IFS. really? the only references to IFS I can find are in comparisons of $ifs to the Bourne shell's $IFS On 17 October 2017 at 16:05, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > Really? Just aesthetics? :-o > I supposed it had some practical goal I was

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Really? Just aesthetics? :-o I supposed it had some practical goal I was missing, since for example the original Rc paper still referred to $IFS. This would flips the question a bit: I wonder why the same designers chose uppercase variable names while designing Unix... :-) Giacomo 2017-10-17 16

Re: [9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Dan Cross
On Tue, Oct 17, 2017 at 10:38 AM, Giacomo Tesio wrote: > Out of curiosity, do anybody know why Plan9 designers chose lowercase > variables over uppercase ones? > > At first, given the different conventions between rc and sh (eg $path is an > array, while $PATH is a string), I supposed Plan 9 desig

[9fans] Why Plan 9 uses $ifs instead of $IFS?

2017-10-17 Thread Giacomo Tesio
Out of curiosity, do anybody know why Plan9 designers chose lowercase variables over uppercase ones? At first, given the different conventions between rc and sh (eg $path is an array, while $PATH is a string), I supposed Plan 9 designers wanted to prevent conflict with unix tools relying to the ol

Re: [9fans] Change of plan9 partition size

2017-10-17 Thread Pavel Klinkovský
> > I just created a new partition of PLAN9 type there (according to >> https://9p.io/wiki/plan9/setting_up_Venti/index.html), saved and >> rebooted... >> >> ...and system failed to boot: >> >> boot: can't connect to file server: '/boot/kfs' does not exists >> > > It seems the boot process does not