Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Tristan
> that's one way of looking at it. another way of looking at it is that > the best jobs are the ones that you'd do anyway. and one could argue > these lucky people get the best job done. as someone who's currently doing some of it anyway, work on plan9 would be delightful. but i'm not so sure i'

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread andrew zerger
It feels like the kind of thing I always wind up saying to someone who "want's to learn about computers." .. You need a reason that you really care about, or odds are you probably wont make it that far. Leading a horse to water thing. Or else, you dont have a reason but by golly you can learn and d

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 22:16, erik quanstrom wrote: >> Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project >> they are really invested in. >> >> But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to >> support plan9 development? >> >> If not, then obviously it's not wort

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> Agreed - people do tend to perform better when working on a project > they are really invested in. > > But if that was true enough, wouldn't tons of people be stepping up to > support plan9 development? > > If not, then obviously it's not worth anyone's time. your argument seems to me to be an

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 22:04, erik quanstrom wrote: >> I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In >> reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone >> mentioned, very little work gets done on "free will", so gsoc is a >> good approach. (especially implementing not

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
> I am a student who would be interested in doing GSOC next year. In > reality it all comes down to getting paid though. Like someone > mentioned, very little work gets done on "free will", so gsoc is a > good approach. (especially implementing not so fun things nobody dares > touch) that's one wa

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Calvin Morrison
On 18 March 2012 20:37, erik quanstrom wrote: > On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: >> Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in >> whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other >> products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 18 19:51:00 EDT 2012, j...@jfloren.net wrote: > Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in > whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other > products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of > people who actually use it. Unfo

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
Kickstarter works because the people on Kickstarter are interested in whatever the project is producing. A book, a video game, other products. Plan 9 has a small community and an even smaller number of people who actually use it. Unfortunately, I don't think there's enough money there to pay for 1

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
I guess I didn't realize there was pay involved. How about a kick-starter approach? Think it'd work? On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:20 PM, John Floren wrote: > I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. > It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just >

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread John Floren
I think being able to pay the students is what really makes GSoC work. It adds an additional dimension that makes it a lot harder to just say, "Oh, I'm bored with this, I quit". John On Sun, Mar 18, 2012 at 3:06 PM, Joseph Stewart wrote: > So this all makes me wonder why some social aggregation

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread Joseph Stewart
So this all makes me wonder why some social aggregation group (aka stack overflow or reddit/programming) or even just a big group of decentralized nerds couldn't just do a variant of GSoC on our own. Lining up mentors and mentees particularly w/o big biz or school backing is kinda what open source

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread erik quanstrom
On Sun Mar 18 16:32:12 EDT 2012, rminn...@gmail.com wrote: > coreboot got rejected too and we had 5 years in a row. Don't feel bad. > I think they're trying to make sure that they don't get the same > players year after year, which is a good idea IMHO. > thanks, ron. that's reason enough to try

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 rejected from GSoC 2012

2012-03-18 Thread ron minnich
coreboot got rejected too and we had 5 years in a row. Don't feel bad. I think they're trying to make sure that they don't get the same players year after year, which is a good idea IMHO. ron