Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

Hey, if you want margins you need them. Ever done a patent application? Humans who call me a nerd are subject to ritualistic humiliation. brucee On Wed, Jul 13, 2011 at 4:15 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > > >> MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating >> margins? Do

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

> MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating margins? Do they actually never try to read anything using i'm not a comp nerd, rathe a biologist, however, and therefore, i like simple, yet working designs how do you use margins? > The whole setup ... is pleasant

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

I mentioned Hiki (Human Interface Kit Interface) in Seattle. Some others have extended draw (like fgb - anti aliasing with area coverage - under my humble mentoring). Hiki will be ready to run when I get back from adventure. It optionally has other convolutions - Catmull and Sinc look much better.

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

> in other words, all the widgets (menus included) of an app turned into margins when mouse's /not/ over those widgets. yes!! i agree 100% last night i couldn't sleep for a while, so i tried to imagine acme as a whole screen ui, w/o any taglines, ctrl-boxes, and sliders... however, i ran into p

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

This goes in with all those Ayn Rand novels I never read. All of them. ak On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 5:18 AM, Ethan Grammatikidis wrote:

Re: [9fans] odd problem with auth (?)

It's official--I'm an idiot. That was the problem, a simple ip=10.1.18.190 added to the gozer entry fixed it. John On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 11:36 AM, John Floren wrote: > I'm at lunch right now, but if "no ip in ndb" turns out to be the problem I > will have to buy myself a big dunce cap. > > On

Re: [9fans] GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 19:09:44 +0100 Richard Miller <9f...@hamnavoe.com> wrote: > > On > > plan9 of course I don't pull from sources over my mobile phone, > > instead pull and compile on the CPU server. > > Compiling on a phone is no longer so far-fetched. Compiling all > of plan9port from scratch

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Go (Was: GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto)

i can test, i can also give you access to my environment if you want. -Skip On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 8:13 AM, Lucio De Re wrote: > On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 08:59:22AM +0300, Pavel Zholkover wrote: >> >> I'm not sure about gcc, but the go toolchain can produce quite well working >> Plan 9 binaries.

Re: [9fans] Plan 9 Go (Was: GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto)

If you could put just a tgz at sources I'm willing to test it, even for updates, I could just unpack the tgz again and rebuild the thing. although I don't have much spare time these days and it's likely I wont be able to help other than by testing (sorry about that). But it's great news in any cas

Re: [9fans] odd problem with auth (?)

I'm at lunch right now, but if "no ip in ndb" turns out to be the problem I will have to buy myself a big dunce cap. On Jul 12, 2011 11:16 AM, "erik quanstrom" wrote: >> My /lib/ndb/local contains these lines (gozer gets its IP from a >> different DHCP server): >> >> auth=gozer authdom=mydom >> >>

Re: [9fans] odd problem with auth (?)

> My /lib/ndb/local contains these lines (gozer gets its IP from a > different DHCP server): > > auth=gozer authdom=mydom > > sys=gozer dom=gozer.mydom > > sys=zuul dom=zuul.mydom >bootf=/386/9pxeload >ip=10.1.18.192 ether= > > Here are some commands I've tried, and the results I've see

[9fans] odd problem with auth (?)

I've just set up two cpu servers named gozer and zuul. Gozer has a local Fossil and keeps a Venti on a Coraid device; it boots a "pccpufs" kernel (cpu + boot.fs initialization) and is otherwise (to the best of my knowledge) set up just as specified in the document "Configuring a Standalone CPU Serv

Re: [9fans] GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto

> On > plan9 of course I don't pull from sources over my mobile phone, > instead pull and compile on the CPU server. Compiling on a phone is no longer so far-fetched. Compiling all of plan9port from scratch on a Nokia n900 takes about 1.5 hours. It seems to be less hassle just to install gcc on t

[9fans] Realtek 8188/8192 driver?

anyone have, or working on, a driver for the Realtek 8188ce/8192ce wifi cards? i've recently acquired a thinkpad with one of these in it and would rather be running native plan9 on it. i'll take a stab in august if nobody's started already. PGP.sig Description: This is a digitally signed message

Re: [9fans] GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto

Compiling should be called decompressing ;)

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on QNAP TS-212 NAS (kw)

> Long ago, you probed by just reading memory until you read back > nothing but ff. That was a memory hole. Then somebody > at one chipset vendor got clever and broke this test. Oops, you have > to figure out if maybe your test is failing because somebody got > clever. yes, this wo

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on QNAP TS-212 NAS (kw)

well, to elaborate on this. Long ago, you probed by just reading memory until you read back nothing but ff. That was a memory hole. Then somebody at one chipset vendor got clever and broke this test. Oops, you have to figure out if maybe your test is failing because somebody got cl

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on QNAP TS-212 NAS (kw)

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 11:32:03 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > On Tue Jul 12 06:57:22 EDT 2011, eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: > > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:40:49 -0400 erik quanstrom > > wrote: > > > > > there are assumptions about the memory size in many devices, > > > > > Ouch. Couldn't the kernel pro

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on QNAP TS-212 NAS (kw)

On Tue Jul 12 06:57:22 EDT 2011, eeke...@fastmail.fm wrote: > On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:40:49 -0400 erik quanstrom > wrote: > > > there are assumptions about the memory size in many devices, > > > Ouch. Couldn't the kernel probe the memory size at boot time and use > that? Or at least have it set

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

Ethan got me thinking there :-) consider a window consisting of text area and some widgets around it. instead of making the widgets as small as possible, render as margins when not needed. most, or all, window's widgets would be rendered as solid background color (functionally margins) when use

[9fans] Plan 9 Go (Was: GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto)

On Tue, Jul 12, 2011 at 08:59:22AM +0300, Pavel Zholkover wrote: > > I'm not sure about gcc, but the go toolchain can produce quite well working > Plan 9 binaries. > > Taru also has the go toolchain running native in itself after some > modifications. > Is there a link to this, please? I want t

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 16:31:04 +0200 dexen deVries wrote: > On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 15:40:19 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:16 +0200 > > dexen deVries wrote: > > ((ramblings)) > > > > I _sincerely_ hope you are trolling. :D Otherwise, in all seriousness, have > > you

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 15:40:19 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:16 +0200 > dexen deVries wrote: > ((ramblings)) > > I _sincerely_ hope you are trolling. :D Otherwise, in all seriousness, have > you no brain at all? You are seriously scaring me here. unfortunately all

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 14:36:16 +0200 dexen deVries wrote: > On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 14:18:06 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > > MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating > > margins? ((snip)) > > surely you're joking, mr. feynman? @_@ > or are you actually sitting on

Re: [9fans] GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto

On Tue, 12 Jul 2011 02:10:50 +0200 hiro <23h...@googlemail.com> wrote: > 2. compilers still running fastest on fast CPUs I have a quad core I bought specifically for compiling, that was one of the major tasks the box was going to do as I wanted to get more involved in Source Mage GNU/Linux. It

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

yy wrote: 2011/7/12 dexen deVries : on an unrelated note, it seems to me websites with large horizontal margins are synonymous with bullet-point engineering and little to no useful content. http://cm.bell-labs.com/plan9/ This made my morning, thank you. On a related note, I was taught i

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

2011/7/12 dexen deVries : > on an unrelated note, it seems to me websites with large horizontal margins > are synonymous with bullet-point engineering and little to no useful content. > http://cm.bell-labs.com/plan9/ -- - yiyus || JGL .

Re: [9fans] GNU/Linux/Plan 9 disto

On Mon, 11 Jul 2011 20:31:08 +0100 Charles Forsyth wrote: > setting up cross-compilation with gcc, and even using it once set up, > has historically been surprisingly complicated; has that changed? Not the last time I tried, a couple of years ago. I quite liked Gcc when it was at version 2.93

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

On Tuesday 12 of July 2011 14:18:06 Ethan Grammatikidis wrote: > MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating > margins? ((snip)) surely you're joking, mr. feynman? @_@ or are you actually sitting on an ivory tower made of 10MPix displays? as long as we suffer the 1...

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

MARGINS! Why is it all the computer nerds are obsessed with eradicating margins? Do they actually never try to read anything using the software they produce? OTHER than PDFs? I use a window manager with only 1-pixel side borders, and terminals with no scrollbar at all and margins reduced to vir

Re: [9fans] Plan9 on QNAP TS-212 NAS (kw)

On Sat, 9 Jul 2011 18:40:49 -0400 erik quanstrom wrote: > there are assumptions about the memory size in many devices, Ouch. Couldn't the kernel probe the memory size at boot time and use that? Or at least have it set in a constant for a single point of change?

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

> occupied by WIMP controls. Tasteless. sorry, i had just the slider idea on my mind, sending a better img: http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/slider.png still tasateless? > PS: Gestures requires no controls. i didn't get it:

Re: [9fans] interesting(?) widgets idea

Personally I find that interface awful. One third of the place occupied by WIMP controls. Tasteless. PS: Gestures requires no controls. On Mon, Jul 11, 2011 at 5:56 PM, Peter A. Cejchan wrote: > hi, folks, > > please, look at this: > http://www2.gli.cas.cz/home/cejchan/plan9/ubuntu_widgets.png,