Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Bakul Shah
On Sun, 18 Oct 2009 01:15:45 - Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Sam Watkins wrote: > > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:50:28PM -0700, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: > >> > The mention that "... the overhead of cache coherence restricts the ab= > ility > >> > to scale up to ev

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Jason Catena
>> One thing complicating this is that make and its common >> variants aren't smart enough to handle the case where >> version control systems regress a file and present an >> earlier date not newer than the derived object. > > See cons/scons. Thanks for the suggestion. In this project someone ac

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 10:53 AM, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Wed, Oct 14, 2009 at 06:50:28PM -0700, Roman Shaposhnik wrote: >> > The mention that "... the overhead of cache coherence restricts the ability >> > to scale up to even 80 cores" is also eye openeing. If we're at aprox 8 >> > cores today, t

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 5:21 PM, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 04:21:16PM +0100, roger peppe wrote: >> BTW it seems the gates quote is false: >> >> http://en.wikiquote.org/wiki/Bill_Gates > > maybe the Ken quote is false too - hard to believe he's that out of touch I think the reve

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Sun, Oct 18, 2009 at 12:06 AM, ron minnich wrote: > the use of qualitative terms such as "embarassingly parallel" often > leads to confusion. > > Scaling can be measured. It can be quantified. Nothing scales forever, > because at some point you want to get an answer back to a person, > and/or t

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread ron minnich
the use of qualitative terms such as "embarassingly parallel" often leads to confusion. Scaling can be measured. It can be quantified. Nothing scales forever, because at some point you want to get an answer back to a person, and/or the components of the app need to talk to each other. It's these b

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Eric Van Hensbergen
Could be wrong, but I think he's referring to the SPURS Engine: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SpursEngine -eric On Oct 17, 2009, at 4:07 PM, Steve Simon wrote: I'm a tiny fish, this is the ocean. Nevertheless, I venture: there are already Cell-based expansion cards out there for "rea

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Steve Simon
> I'm a tiny fish, this is the ocean. Nevertheless, I venture: there are > already Cell-based expansion cards out there for "real-time" > H.264/VC-1/MPEG-4 AVC encoding. Meaning, 1080p video in, H.264 stream out, > "real-time." Interesting, 1080p? you have a link? -Steve

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Dave Eckhardt
> One thing complicating this is that make and its common > variants aren't smart enough to handle the case where > version control systems regress a file and present an > earlier date not newer than the derived object. See cons/scons. Dave Eckhardt

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Eris Discordia
There is a vast range of applications that cannot be managed in real time using existing single-core technology. please name one. I'm a tiny fish, this is the ocean. Nevertheless, I venture: there are already Cell-based expansion cards out there for "real-time" H.264/VC-1/MPEG-4 AVC encoding

[9fans] Booting with mk

2009-10-17 Thread Matthias Teege
My friend Mike and I were talking a while back about Unix init systems and came to the conclusion that mk's dependency tracking could come in handy. I decided to implement it a few days ago using plan9port and thought that some of the folks here might be interested. Although, I still haven't decide

Re: [9fans] Barrelfish

2009-10-17 Thread Roman Shaposhnik
On Fri, Oct 16, 2009 at 10:03 AM, Sam Watkins wrote: > On Thu, Oct 15, 2009 at 12:50:48PM +0100, Richard Miller wrote: >> > It's easy to write good code that will take advantage of arbitrarily many >> > processors to run faster / smoother, if you have a proper language for the >> > task. >> >> ...

[9fans] lout contra troff/TeX

2009-10-17 Thread Rudolf Sykora
Hello, is there anyone who could say a few words about their experience with the lout formatting system and how well it compares to the troff/TeX suite. Also, does anybody use it in plan9? Thanks, Ruda